Steve and Demons

[zeroone]

@Steve: So what's this I hear about being a demon magnet!? What exactly are you encountering? Why are you a demon magnet? What do they want? (So many questions).

Twitter / stevepavlina: Had a freaky astral experi ...

Had a freaky astral experience a few nights ago. Being a demon magnet while astral is getting a bit old.

[Eric Revelin]

High amounts of energy. Demons feed off it.

[codenamesmiley]

Eric,

If what you said is the case...then do you have any suggestions for burning off that excess energy?

Blessings,
Rebecca

[zeroone]

Thank you for answering Eric.
Please forgive me for asking such simple questions. We are all new at some point to all the freaky stuff Steve is into. I'm just barely trying out all these new things. I'm actually in the middle of a polyphasic sleep trial.

Nychthemeron 3: Augh...
(Yet, I'm super excited about it).

Rebecca, I'm not sure loosing energy would be considered progress. I don't know about the mechanics of the spiritual world, but a better solution would be to shield oneself and even repel those beings. Maybe being highly loving would somehow repel them?
I would try to convert them over to the light-side.

[Erin Pavlina]

Steve experiments, as you well know. Sometimes his experiments attract attention or open doors. I almost always have to close them. He's lucky I'm around sometmies. he's not in much danger, and these are lower vibrational beings, not high level demons.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Steve experiments, as you well know. Sometimes his experiments attract attention or open doors. I almost always have to close them. He's lucky I'm around sometmies. he's not in much danger, and these are lower vibrational beings, not high level demons.

Hey Erin. What could high level demons do if one ran across them?

[Erin Pavlina]

Possess you. Torment you. And even kill you. This is not my area of expertise, but I know enough to know they exist and you don't want to encounter one.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

Possess you. Torment you. And even kill you. This is not my area of expertise, but I know enough to know they exist and you don't want to encounter one.

Ah, possession yeah. Whose area of expertise is it? I'm fascinated by the whole thing. Can one become high level enough on the light side to un-demonise these... entities, as it were?

[Erin Pavlina]

Yes. The church exorcists seem to do a pretty good job. Special training is required though. And a good medium trained in that area can help as well (don't ask me cuz I ain't going there anytime soon!).

[Plato]

Haha, fair enough. They must be bold souls who do. I'm going to look into it. If I start posting worse nonsense than usual on these forums you know what happened to me.

[Erin Pavlina]

If you start eating and craving flies, email me with your phone number and address and we'll send someone for you... er, I mean to help you.

[ballhit2]

Steve, you should wear your astral body-sized Polycondom whilst projecting. Nobody wants the clap on their silver cord.

[RJlogs]

Real demons?? Wow, that's freaky.

And what those guys are doing all day long? I mean, seriously. Guess not watching TV, but then what? Hunting for weaker souls all day long seems kinda boring.

[Erin Pavlina]

What do flies and bugs do all day or other animals for that matter? They look for food, get some exercise, and sleep.

[erego]

What sort of experiments has Steve done? Fascinating, since I don't intend to astral any time soon. Anyone has done experiments as well?

[RJlogs]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

What do flies and bugs do all day or other animals for that matter? They look for food, get some exercise, and sleep.

Hehe, comparing little insects to mighty demons
Or are they like really big, very powerful animals? Although thinking about it, some little spiders can kill me too...
This topic really fascinates me. You should write about them sometime...
And are there anyone in this world who can defend himself against a real demon if it comes to that? Or even kill one?
What do I have to do to piss them off so bad they want to kill me?

[Asmoday]

Finally, a psychic discussion where I can bring some value. :-)

Converting a demon doesn't work because, in essence, it isn't a "being", but a residual. All you can really do is "banish" them, or cancel the residual.

Think of it like the tar left by someone smoking in a room over time. Cumulatively, the tar builds up, and eventually, for example, it can stain glass, given enough smoking over time. To extend the metaphor, all the so-called "negative" emotions leave a residue just like the "positive" ones do. A trace, that eventually, builds up enough and begins to create an animus, a desire of its own. They're like Frakensteins, but instead of body parts, its pieces of desire, and instead of a jolt of eletricity, its animated by emotion. Like anything else, once aware it wants to live, and thus wanders around trying to create more of whatever created it, to sustain its existence.

The "light" entities work exactly the same way, but we find them more pleasant because a being working, say, bliss in us is more pleasant than a being working, say, dread. On the other hand, Light entities can't and won't aid you in a lot of ways that Dark entities will.

The longer they're around, the more "intellectually" sophisticated and powerful they become. And, the more likely they are to offer some kind of trade as opposed to needing to be dominated.

The oldest of them are smarter than most people, and frankly, their psyche is alien and unfathomable to us.

Your ability to find, bind, and control a demon will be in direct purportion to your *absolute* ability to control yourself. And, nothing likes to be enslaved if once free, so don't expect it to be a peaceful process. In fact, I wouldn't even recommend tinkering with it for most dabblers.

If you want to get into it, to explore it in a safe way, you should research protective circles, and become adept at making them. You will know when you're ready to move on, because when you enter your circle you'll feel a deep inner part of yourself that you didn't know was tense, it will "relax" and you'll have no doubt about your circle being protective.

Now inside a proper circle, you can contact a channel. Its like there is an emotional web that runs through everything. Certain threads are strong and deep. For example, one thread centers around Lustful Rage, and we find this thread in mythology referred to as Asmodeus. That's really what the hierarchies of demons you find in the literature are -- codexes of the channels. To liken it to music, its like a simmering part of the common human psyche that vibrates at that specific note. You use a given channel to tap a lot of different things -- one of which is to summon beings who are animated by the residual of "Lustful Rage". Unlike Lightworker summoning, you don't reach out to the being. You make yourself a vibrational match and like calling a fly to a fly-trap, you use yourself as kind of like bait.

But first, you have to establish a strong relationship with that channel, or you can frankly get your a** kicked.

A common way to do that is to meditate on the sigils. These symbols help unlock and develop that connection. You simply enter your protective circle and meditate while staring at the sigil (the sigil being displayed somewhere outside the circle). To do this, do a google search for demonic sigils, and see which one, on a purely emotional, instinctive level jumps out at you. As you meditate the sigil will eventually (and for some, it can take quite a while), unlock -- it will move and animate and transform into something else. This something else is like a code from your subconscious, and it has deep meaning. In any case, you will know you've unlocked it because you will see the sigil animate, your pupils will dialate. They will remain dialated even if you enter a brightly lit area. You will also feel "hot", but not quite the same as being hot, and while this may be uncomfortable because its not something you're used to, and your brain doesn't quite know how to interpret the sensation, its not painful. This is the sign that you've amped up and connected to the superhighway, you've just commendeered 150000 megawatts more than you're used to handling. You can use it in interesting ways, that have nothing to do with controlling a demon. Likewise, the energy of different channels can be used different ways.

So there's some intro for people who want to play. Have fun.

And, as a public service: If you decide to try to bind and control a demon, start small, with like an imp (the dark counterpart to faries). They're easy, and if they get out of control, the backlash is relatively easy to deal with...usually...

[RJlogs]

Wow man, thanks for the very detailed answer, I appreciate it.

Can you tell me how much of this information have you personally experienced and how much you've only read about?

I'm not really skeptic, but you should understand it's really weird stuff we're talking about, especially for me, who haven't had any psychic experience so far ( two short lucid dreams if that counts ), and I have no way to tell whether you tell the truth, so if a 8 year old would come here to this forum and tell me absolute nonsense, I couldn't tell the difference. ( I don't mean you're a 8 year old ofc, your grammar and language implies you know what you're talking about..., well at least you think you know )

Just a few questions though:

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Unlike Lightworker summoning, you don't reach out to the being. You make yourself a vibrational match and like calling a fly to a fly-trap, you use yourself as kind of like bait.

What's lightworker summoning?
If I lower my vibration to bait this thing, I have to increase my vibration after that if I want to finish it off?
Does the kind of summoning I use have to do anything with being a light/darkworker? I mean, can I use both methods regardless of which I belong to?

Originally Posted by Asmoday

You can use it in interesting ways, that have nothing to do with controlling a demon. Likewise, the energy of different channels can be used different ways.

Can you give me a few examples of alternative use?

[Slapsuplex]

I hope Asmoday answer shortly , Thank you

[RJlogs]

Heh, yeah, he didn't seem like someone who doesn't want to talk about the topic
I hope he's just busy or something

[Asmoday]

Your wish, is my command:

Demon Dancing — A Beginner’s Guide to Demonology

I'm launching a series. Stay tuned.

[st33med]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Your wish, is my command:

Demon Dancing — A Beginner’s Guide to Demonology

I'm launching a series. Stay tuned.

*calls exorcist to Asmoday's house*

[RJlogs]

Originally Posted by Asmoday

Your wish, is my command:

Demon Dancing — A Beginner’s Guide to Demonology

I'm launching a series. Stay tuned.

Yaaay, heading to read it right away. thx

[Asmoday]

Originally Posted by st33med

*calls exorcist to Asmoday's house*

Its definitely going to take more than one.

[Kazeko]

Thanks for the interesting topic and the competency to answer (Erin, Asmoday and others).

I hope you can answer my questions (or if you have them answered already, please point me to reference material you have - it will be perfectly fine.).

1) If Jesus Christ is not the God but just an ascended master, why do church exorcists do the best job banishing demons?

2) How can a high level demon kill you if our real selves are safe and the material world is just a matrix-like simulation? Can such a demon capture your soul (not just kill your body), send it to hell and torture it forever (as religions tell us)?

3) Are those beings separate from our "we are all one" collective consciousness or they are parts of it? How could it be if they are still creations of our collective "soul"?

4) Can they actually transform (evolve?), become a human soul and incarnate? Can a human soul become a demon or a similar being, light or dark?

5) How to summon a light entity?

The final set of questions seems to be the most important for me:
6) How to summon fairies? Are they light or dark? Are there other spirits of nature (like elementals or guardians?)

[Aleksander Krstic]

Originally Posted by Kazeko

2) How can a high level demon kill you if our real selves are safe and the material world is just a matrix-like simulation? Can such a demon capture your soul (not just kill your body), send it to hell and torture it forever (as religions tell us)?

3) Are those beings separate from our "we are all one" collective consciousness or they are parts of it? How could it be if they are still creations of our collective "soul"?

5) How to summon a light entity?

Note that I'm not all that much into psychics' stuff, but I know some things about spiritual development.

2)They just kill your unreal(sorry, too much video games) self, not the real one.

3)They are the one with us. I think like everything else they're manifested for a challenge and even more for danger, since safety does not really exist.

5)Steve said he even contacted Jesus himself, perhaps you should ask him.

[Kazeko]

Asmoday,

Just read your beginner's guide. I'm not really happy about it. It's.... kinda evil

What I mean that it's not wise even to approach dark entities and to play with sigils and stuff, even if you say that it's safe (I hope there's not any hidden intention from you to say that, however your phrase "welcome to the dark side" makes me think the opposite). It's like saying "drugs are dangerous, I warn you, but try marijuana - it's safe".

How do I know? From my experience. I know a feeling of dark energies. They're not mine (not for me). A quick glimpse on the sigils was enough for me to feel the presence of demonic entities. I can't even imagine myself sitting and meditating on that stuff.

Maybe it is safe for an average skeptic. But certainly not for me. I easily catch energies, and perceive them by feeling. And when I "researched" some dark stuff like black metal - I actually heard some demonic voice and felt some draining during night sleep back then. That may be the reason why those sigils "capture" me so easily... well, thanks but no thanks.

I'd like to hear Erin's opinion about this stuff. And I'm still interested in getting answers to my questions.

[YourHumbleNarrator]

To each his own, Kazeko. I imagine you feel the way you do because of how you perceive the light. Erin would be unlikely to contradict your opinion, although I too would be fascinated to hear her take on it since she's far more experienced than most of us are.

Keep in mind I myself am only an amateur, but I know from my experience with the dark side that it isn't how it's typically framed, and that truly everything is relative. Also, I think it naive to assume that you're safe if you stick to the light side. Of course, Erin (and Steve, incidentally) have already confirmed as much. It would seem that demonic/angelic is not the dichotomy that determines safety but rather the extent of your knowledge and the depth of your wisdom. (Wisdom, in this case, includes the foresight to identify and avoid potentially life ruining spiritual practices.)

Thanks for your take on it, Asmoday. It was good to read something from a different perspective for once.

[Kazeko]

Originally Posted by YourHumbleNarrator

To each his own, Kazeko. I imagine you feel the way you do because of how you perceive the light.

True. That's why I said constantly "not for me". Light and safety are both relative. If we try to put a subjective perspective aside and to analyze bare facts only - all this stuff with demons/angels, energies and sigils is all about dominant emotions and actions which can be generated channeling energies. For me it's strongly negative to feel sadness, fear, anger, hatred etc. It's unsafe and undesired for me if some entity would capture me and incline me to kill, rape, do damage etc. And I'd be happy to be captured by an entity of light, who would inspire me to feel love, joy, happiness, gratitude etc. I wouldn't mind against inclining me to help, to care, to heal, to create. That's why I consider totally safe to play with energies of light.

However I can imagine people, who desire for dark emotions and to whom it would be torture to feel light energies.

Also, I think it naive to assume that you're safe if you stick to the light side.

- that's why I personally disagree with that.

Thanks for your take on it, Asmoday. It was good to read something from a different perspective for once.

Yes, I'm grateful too, from intellectual angle of perception. For instance, this guide helped me to consider that we can draw light entities in a similar way. There are symbols, sigils and archetypes for that too.

I'm especially thankful for explaining the birth or origin of such entities. That info was really unique to me. Religions teach us that such entities were created by God and that they have personalities like humans. On the other side, we are all connected to each other and to the Source - how can evil entities exist in such environment - I never believed in "Anti-God" and his minions. Now I have the missing piece of the puzzle, the one which connects both truths - thanks again, Asmoday. Now I understand. Light and darkness are two sides of the same coin. And every human (a piece of collective consciousness) perfectly reflects the Universal scheme.

[YourHumbleNarrator]

Originally Posted by Kazeko

It's unsafe and undesired for me if some entity would capture me and incline me to kill, rape, do damage etc. And I'd be happy to be captured by an entity of light, who would inspire me to feel love, joy, happiness, gratitude etc.

Now see, the idea that any entity could capture me doesn't sit well with me. From what I understand a true light entity would never do that, but I digress- I feel safest when I am empowered. If I can control a situation (in this case, an entity) or I can keep myself out of harm's way then I'm calm. I have no qualms with harnessing my fear to sharpen my mind or pump more adrenaline into my system if it accomplishes that end. To me, the dark doesn't feel negative or depressing. It feels like home.

I can't say lightworker energies are torturous to me, but it does make me feel really airy, lightheaded... Unfocused. I lose my motivation, and it feels like I could evaporate at any moment. That's how I figured out the whole lightworking thing isn't for me.

I wouldn't mind against inclining me to help, to care, to heal, to create. That's why I consider totally safe to play with energies of light.

I don't think you understand what I meant. Light or dark, you're toying with energies you don't fully comprehend. There's no way to eliminate risk, especially when you're starting out. No doubt entities will try to prey on your ignorance or break your focus so they can take advantage of you. Erin has talked about some situations like that. And that's my point- nothing is absolutely safe unless you use your head.