Are Steeve and Erin Pavlina heading for trouble ? And are we following them ?

[neo1234]

Steeve and Erin, sorry if this messes with your mojo, but I had to post it, for your own good.

The video itself is old. (you can tell from the presenter`s hair style, the background music and the video quality).

This video is a testimony of a woman who was into things that are very similar to what Steeve and Erin are into:

Spirit guides, white light, etc.

And she wasnt some amateur noobie either, as you will see.

The woman even had Jesus as one of her spirit guides.

Steeve too has Jesus as one of his spirit guides !

The similaritys are many.

Is the conclusion of the story going to be similar too ?

For Steeve and Erin`s sake I hope not.

Here is the video:

Skip straight to 7:48 for the juicy bit:

YouTube - 10-11 The New Age Movement

The next part of the video is here:

YouTube - 11-11 The New Age Movement


Here is the short story:

Johanna Michaelsen, is having all sorts of great and miraculous paranormal experiences.

I am onluy gona describe some of them (the rest are in the video).

Angelic spirit guides. Even has Jesus as one of her spirit guides.

Witnesses and assists in many miraculous surgical operations performed by a medium who channels spirits.
(much more details in the video)

But then her sister asks her "How do you know theese miracles are from God ?

Her sister doesnt doubt the miracles, just asks her how does she know they are from God ?

Johanna on top of that recalls small details out of her experiences with the surgical medium (the channeled spirit got angry once for example) that make her realise her sister might have a point. So she prays to Jesus:

Quote:
"Jeusus you know more than anything I wanna serve you, I belive that this is what you are, my guru, spirit guide, etcetera, but if she`s right, if there`s something else, I want to know ! I`m willing to give all this up, that I`m involved with, but you better prove to me youre right ! You better show me God !"

This is where the "fun" begins.

The true face of her guides is revealed to her.

They are evil entitys mascarading as angelic spirit guides. She had unwittingly "open the doors" to them , and now that the jig was up, they didnt need to pretend anymore.

A cold (literally) and dark evil entity descends upon her out of nowhere and threatens her.

She cant get read of it, the white light of Jesus that she is used to surrounding herself with doesnt seem to work anymore, and the dark entyty loughs at her attempts to call her "Jesus" spirit guide to come and help her.

The entity punches her in the back thus pitching her forward onto the ground.

Johana runs to her sister. Her sister stats to pray for her, the demons are shreiking like mad outside of the window of the house, her sister commands them to leave in the name of Jesus of Nazareth and they do.

She sees that her spirit guide "Jesus" was counterfeit, and that her sister who is a Christian knows the real Jesus, and that the real Jesus had the power to make theese demons go away.

She wants this Jesus.

Then she goes on to explain how to avoid making the same mistakes she made.

Also explains what are the "open doors" that some open (without realising) through which such dark entitys are able to come in and cause trouble for people.

And how to close theese doors, and how to get read of theese entitys.

She lists a bunch possible way of getting infected with such dark enbtitys:

The laying on of hands.

Through inheritance (from parrents)

Through experimentation - ouija boards, etc. (If you open the door they will take advantage, even if your intentions are good)

The way to get read of them is to "renounce" the particular activity through which you opened the door, and tell God youre sorry (she gives more details in the video)

That`s about it. Enjoy the "show"

[JSB]

It must be real, cuz that man in the polyester suit with the bad toupee (the man, not the suit) said so.

How could they put it on the internet if it wasn't true?

[bluedragon]

I don't know, but just reading through the first lines of your post gave me shivers. Steve is spelled with only one "e" and no Youtube video and story about what happened to another person can prove that he is heading for trouble.

[James81]

How do we know that you aren't one of those "dark" spirit guides trying to lead Steve and Erin OFF the right path?

[Eric Revelin]

Because if it's not Christianity it has to be evil.

[SimonaRich]

I did not watch the video but just a note about channeling other entities. If you are on high vibration you will never end up channelling bad entities because you would be on very different vibrations.

[Plato]

Hahah, whoops. Not sure what this has to do with Steve and Erin, but hey.

I summoned Satan to help me once. That was pretty crazy. He's one intense mofo I tell thee.

[inverse Paranoid]

Originally Posted by Plato

I summoned Satan to help me once. That was pretty crazy. He's one intense mofo I tell thee.

Hahahaha! If there's a real story behind this, I'd love to read it.

[tintin]

eh?
so what ?like even if it was an eeeeeevul entity? she helped so many people. anyway the moment there is doubt(esp in energy work) your energy falls creating a loop.and gaps in your aura.its like a split second switch.
we dont even know where this lady(which level she was doing her work from)was.
most probably seems as if she had other motives.there can be as many twists and turns on this path as there are people.
an evil entity will not help to heal.they plain shy away from healing,especially of this level of healing.usually theyd give some ineffectual kinda treatment,very vague.to make you get off their backs.
sigh! o ye of little faith.

[GHI]

Originally Posted by SimonaRich

I did not watch the video but just a note about channeling other entities. If you are on high vibration you will never end up channelling bad entities because you would be on very different vibrations.

I think it would be unwise to hold this kind of absolute confidence. Even if you are convinced that this is true, there is always a possibility that you're mistaken.

Think about it. What if you are right only in 99.9% of the cases? And what if some nasties decide to take advantage of your over-confidence?

[tintin]

i can sense the fear GHI and thats a vibe pull down.
hey so what? just pick them out.wash em out.
the moment you become aware that its YOU who is responsible for inviting them in they are no longer the big ugly evil things we make them out to be.because they are simply there wherever they are finding the same wavelength. why blame them? birds of a feather..blahblah..clean the insides.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by inverse Paranoid

Hahahaha! If there's a real story behind this, I'd love to read it.

There is, and it's difficult to summarise.

Best to try it for yourself anyway. I highly recommend summoning Satan to anyone. There's nothing quite like the energy he brings. The only time I've been able to channel him I was scared, and wanted power to overcome the focus of that fear.

I suspect he responds well to somebody in that state. He can offer you a taste of his power and tempt you towards the dark side. That's my story anyway, and I'm sticking to it.

[GHI]

Originally Posted by tintin

i can sense the fear GHI and thats a vibe pull down.
hey so what? just pick them out.wash em out.
the moment you become aware that its YOU who is responsible for inviting them in they are no longer the big ugly evil things we make them out to be.because they are simply there wherever they are finding the same wavelength. why blame them? birds of a feather..blahblah..clean the insides.

It's a semantic issue, really.

If you wish, you can rephrase my statement as "you can never be sure that your vibes are 100% positive". Doesn't matter. The bottom line is the same.

[neo1234]

Originally Posted by SimonaRich

I did not watch the video but

LOL

[neo1234]

an evil entity will not help to heal.they plain shy away from healing,especially of this level of healing.usually theyd give some ineffectual kinda treatment,very vague.to make you get off their backs.sigh! o ye of little faith.

Well this one did. But the advantages it got by getting the medium and her assistants to "open the door" to it and let it in, far outweighed the healing of the flesh of the pacients.

Originally Posted by tintin

they are simply there wherever they are finding the same wavelength. .

This is the mistake everybody makes. Including the woman in the video (!).

I told you the similarityes are big.

It is not the "vibration" that gets them in. They get in by you opening the door to them with your free will.

For example by willingly playing with a ouija board.

Or by willingly desiring to have this or that paranormal experience.

And once you did that, you "opened the door" to them, and they are one level in, and you can NOT vibrate your way out of it, because that is NOT how they "got in" in the first place.

They like people to think that this is how they get in. This is why they play along (again, watch the video, its all in-there). Then you open the door alittle wider, and they come in even closer, and so on, and so on.

This is why they dont show their true face right away. If they did you wouldnt open the door alittle wider the next time. Instead you would go looking for help on how to get read of them.

Originally Posted by tintin

eh?
so what ?like even if it was an eeeeeevul entity? she helped so many people.

Well if you actually watched the video, then you will know "so what".

Also, for the record, the miracles the medium was performing were not the kind of miracles you would expect from a higher power.

Meaning for example that the channeled entity was very good and precise at cutting with the knife during the operations.

A miracle from a higher power, that has the power to create life, etc, would be something like a person who has a shorter leg growing actual bone and the leg becomes normal length.

Or somebody who has a cancerous tumor, and the tumor disapears into thin air.

Or somebody who has a broken and twisted spinal cord from an accident, gets all their bones in the spinal cord fixed and healed, without any phisical intervention from surgery, etc, and the broken nerves inside the spinal cord healed, etc

The medium did not do it like that (with life creating force, and out of thin air). Instead, what the medium did was to perform an operation on the pacient, and remove the cancer that way.

The miracles were not due to some life creating force that woud create bone, make tumors disapear, etc etc. They were due to the channeled entity`s superior hand-eye coordination superior motor skills, etc.

Originally Posted by JSB

It must be real, cuz that man in the polyester suit with the bad toupee (the man, not the suit) said so.

How could they put it on the internet if it wasn't true?

It doesnt mean that its not true. I bet you didnt even watch the video and you already made up yur mind about it.

Originally Posted by bluedragon

I don't know, but just reading through the first lines of your post gave me shivers. Steve is spelled with only one "e"

Let me guess, that means I am wrong about everything.

and no Youtube video and story about what happened to another person can prove that he is heading for trouble.

I didnt say it proves something, I just asked a question.

You are the one who jumped to conclusions, not me.

Originally Posted by James81

How do we know that you aren't one of those "dark" spirit guides trying to lead Steve and Erin OFF the right path?

Thats a good point. You better have a way to test theese things no ?

Do you know such a test ?

How do you know if you dont test ?

IF (I repeat, IF, I am not assuming anything) IF a spirit guide can be exposed as fake, and demolished away by a simple non "chakra weilding" christian... what does that tell you about your guide, and about all those super duper advanced meditation techniques, and about surrounding yourself with white light, etc ? All those advanced techniques couldnt stand up to an untrained christian woman ? If (and I repreat If, try for yourself and see ) If that is true, then the christian woman has something that blows all those techniques out of the water, and she tells you exactly what that is. And no its not fear mongering, or going to church, or the other superficial stuff people asociate with Christianity. Jesus said "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Yeee

Originally Posted by Eric Revelin

Because if it's not Christianity it has to be evil.

Aaaa sarcasm

Why dont we try a little experiment

Go to a Christian gathering or something, and talk to the people over there. Conjure your spirit guide. Tell the christians to command your spirit guide, under the authority of Jesus, to show its true face, or to tell its true intentions etc , etc. Or to pray for you or something. (I bet your guide doesnt even have the nerve to show up )

If all this vibration thing is corect, then your spirit guide wont be affected and nothing will happen ! OTOH, if the vibration thing is not corect, then you may get a surprise . Either way, its a very good way of testing dontcha think ?

Originally Posted by SimonaRich

just a note about channeling other entities. If you are on high vibration you will never end up channelling bad entities because you would be on very different vibrations.

Se my response too Eric Revelin.

Originally Posted by Plato

I summoned Satan to help me once. That was pretty crazy. He's one intense mofo I tell thee.

He he he, you dont summon anything, you open the door to it.

That is the problem.

And once its in, it will not want to leave, and why would it.

But there is a way to get read of it.

[supertom]

Video is old mans, surpised jesus himself wasnt on it.

[Eric Revelin]

Originally Posted by neo1234

Aaaa sarcasm

Why dont we try a little experiment

Go to a Christian gathering or something, and talk to the people over there. Conjure your spirit guide. Tell the christians to command your spirit guide, under the authority of Jesus, to show its true face, or to tell its true intentions etc , etc. Or to pray for you or something. (I bet your guide doesnt even have the nerve to show up )

If all this vibration thing is corect, then your spirit guide wont be affected and nothing will happen ! OTOH, if the vibration thing is not corect, then you may get a surprise . Either way, its a very good way of testing dontcha think ?

*Shudders* Are you mad!? They might rub off on me. I'd come out missing half my brain. Don't make me go to church, mama! Please don't make me go!

Joking aside, I'm not exactly what you'd call a believer in spirit guides and the like. I'm open to the concept but I've never tried contacting them and I probably never will. That sort of thing is best left to the mediums. Why? Exactly because I don't know all the holes in my own defenses.

I piped up on the basis that I find it logically incoherent that Christianity would hold any kind of special power. The initial post just screams 700 Club and I know from personal experience that such accounts are heavily skewed. The way I see it religious symbols have no inherent power, they are simply a means of focusing/summoning energy. In fact the story makes perfect sense when viewed through that lens considering that the person conversing with demons had quite a few chinks in their armor whereas the Christian had absolutely no qualms with the deity of her faith.

I'm rejecting the lens that favors Christianity solely on the basis that it's absurd. The vibrational hypothesis probably has flaws in it but it's a lot more consistent considering the numerous religions that exist and the power their symbols seem to have. Prayers get answered no matter who you're talking to, demons have been casted out using the names of many deities. All the reasons for that can be debated but it amounts to verbal masturbation so I'm not going down that road.

There's an inherent risk in messing with this stuff no matter what discipline you follow. Yes, even some Christians are walking the path to hell. But where's the reward if, at some point, you're not scared half to death? That's what makes a man great- coming out of that with strength and insight to spare. I wouldn't worry about Steve or Erin because they know how to correct their course. The people that boggle my mind are the ones that know where they're going and keep going.

[James81]

Originally Posted by neo1234

Thats a good point. You better have a way to test theese things no ?

Do you know such a test ?

How do you know if you dont test ?

IF (I repeat, IF, I am not assuming anything) IF a spirit guide can be exposed as fake, and demolished away by a simple non "chakra weilding" christian... what does that tell you about your guide, and about all those super duper advanced meditation techniques, and about surrounding yourself with white light, etc ? All those advanced techniques couldnt stand up to an untrained christian woman ? If (and I repreat If, try for yourself and see ) If that is true, then the christian woman has something that blows all those techniques out of the water, and she tells you exactly what that is. And no its not fear mongering, or going to church, or the other superficial stuff people asociate with Christianity. Jesus said "And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Yeee

Heh, well I was just joking.

But if we're talking about christianity here, then Jesus himself said:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the father but by me."

So your "test" involves one question:

"Am I following Jesus or do I have a 'spirit guide'?"

If you answer "Jesus," then you are on the right track.

If you answer "I have a spirit guide," then you are being led astray.

According to christian priniciples that is.

Even barring christianity and in general, I would steer clear of any "spirit guide." You don't need a spirit guide to do the right thing, to live your life to a higher moral standard, etc. You have everything you need inside yourself.

[JoePike]

"Am I following Jesus or do I have a 'spirit guide'?"

If you answer "Jesus," then you are on the right track.

If you answer "I have a spirit guide," then you are being led astray.

According to christian priniciples that is.

Even barring christianity and in general, I would steer clear of any "spirit guide." You don't need a spirit guide to do the right thing, to live your life to a higher moral standard, etc. You have everything you need inside yourself.

Ironically...you also don't need Jesus to do the right thing...to live your life to a higher moral standard... because you have everything you need inside yourself.

Just because some lady had a bad experience with negative entities doesn't mean everyone who communicates in some form with their own spirit guides is being 'lead astray' and will automatically be contacting some malevolent beings.

Do what feels right for you. If you're convinced that all spirit guides are evil and will lead you astray, then of course it's best that you steer clear. If you're getting good, positive, life affirming results from contact with these guides, then more power to you and go for it.

Same with Jesus. If you're getting good results in your life following Christianity, then of course you should stay on that path. If it doesn't feel right to you, and if you are actually able (here's the unbelieveable part) to live a moral, good, happy, positive life without worshipping Jesus...then great. Go for it!

I understand that the main mission of a lot of Christians is to *save* non-believers, but it really is possible to be a good person and live a positive and happy life without being a Christian. Sure some believe that without Jesus you are doomed to hell...and that's certainly your right to believe that. But many many others scoff at this belief and go on with their lives confident that their existence after death will be just fine.

BTW, I have a lot of respect for S & E not getting involved in this thread... (I can just see them rolling their eyes)... while still providing an open and intelligent space for it's discussion.

And as a side note - why are the non-human energetic beings known as angels perfectly acceptable in Christianity, while the non-human energetic beings known as spirit guides are completely unacceptable? Aren't Christian angels there for help, guidance, comfort, protection, etc? Some believe that that's what spirit guides do too...help, guidance, etc. I just don't see why it's such a big jump to believe in one but not the other, or to seek the help of one but not the other.

(In case you're wondering...I happen to believe in all 3...Jesus, angels, and spirit guides!)

[Andrew Brunelle]

This is just a Christian video trying to convert more spiritual people to their side so they have more influence in the world.

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by JoePike

...
(In case you're wondering...I happen to believe in all 3...Jesus, angels, and spirit guides!)

Just wondering, what is the difference between an angel and a spirit guide?

[SimonaRich]

Originally Posted by GHI

I think it would be unwise to hold this kind of absolute confidence. Even if you are convinced that this is true, there is always a possibility that you're mistaken.

Think about it. What if you are right only in 99.9% of the cases? And what if some nasties decide to take advantage of your over-confidence?

It does not work this way. It is all about vibration. If you are on the vibration of unconditional love and joy, no evil entities can get into you.

[SimonaRich]

Originally Posted by supertom

Video is old mans, surpised jesus himself wasnt on it.

!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!

[tintin]

It is not the "vibration" that gets them in. They get in by you opening the door to them with your free will.

For example by willingly playing with a ouija board.

Or by willingly desiring to have this or that paranormal experience.

do you meditate 123? if yes,what have your experiences been like?
you have experienced vibrations?what was it like for you?

i know a few people who have never meditated in their lives or even gone close to an ouija board telling about paranormal experiences.so inviting them in willingly is out of the question.
i guess that means there is something else to it huh?
not discounting that they can scre* you over if you have no control over that environment or no mastery over yourself.

as far as ive seen most people have attachments.sometimes even throughout life,a single entity can remain attached to a person till he/she dies
like the case of a twin who died in the womb accompanying the surviving twin while he is alive.
hmm dont see the fetus 'calling' for a paranormal experience
or a client of mine who had an entity attached at the age of 4......??


im just telling you what i have experienced.there can be many reasons why an entity attaches itself to a person.and majority of the times its vibrations.and a 'permission' from the attachee

ever been around a person who has an addiction? (no offense to people who are) sensitives can pick out multiple attachments.

123 seriously, are you worried about Erin and Steve or just fearful of trying it out?
or
are you on a religious mission?

or
are you telling people not to blindly follow S&E ?

[GHI]

Originally Posted by SimonaRich

It does not work this way. It is all about vibration. If you are on the vibration of unconditional love and joy, no evil entities can get into you.

Correction:

It does not work this way, according to your current model of reality.

Can you be 100% certain that your current model is correct? What if you are mistaken? What if the spiritual world is less subjective than you currently believe?

Note that I'm not saying that you're necessarily wrong. I'm simply saying that it's a possibility you should be aware of.

[magic1]

I'm sorry NEO but your very fear based...totally...that's why it will be hard for you to manifest....or not see real truth...you've built to many walls in your own mind

[njn]

Many people avoid seeking closer communication with God for fear of demons.

Me, I'll take the risk.

njn

[JoePike]

Just wondering, what is the difference between an angel and a spirit guide?

Two great sources that answer this question more thoroughly than I could...


Spirit Guides, Guardian Angels, and Archangels Defined


Spirit Guides And Angels-Dying-Channeling-Spirtuality

[Victor Vikingr]

This isn't really very important, but doesn't Steve merely connect to Jesus occasionally? I don't think he's his spirit guide.

[daj]

Both Erin and Steve look incredibly pale, especially for living in Nevada! It's like they are void of all light, and I bet their toastmaster's group is just some freemasonry group tied in with satanism. They've been misguiding all of you. J/K..

Anyway I think it's interesting that paranomal abilities have happened in control situtations in Military/CIA Labs that I've read about it. Many mind controlled slaves end up developing alter personalities(usually called butterflies or fairies) and paranomal abilities as the result of the constant pain in which they endure. Once your mind is at it's breaking point, you can do miraculous things with it. I don't know the truth about Steve's or Erin's background, but I think Erin has had alot of breaking point experiences which have made her into the psychic that she is today.