Law of Attraction Article doesn't make sense

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Betrade

Anyone can and we all do whether we realize it or not. Sound famil.iar by any chance??

yes it sounds like the LOA. I have thought something like this too. Where what we normally connect to our actions producing results is the LOA.

I see now you have looked and heard a lot of what I already wrote.

I'm merely pointing out that this is exactly the response that I expected to receive sooner or later). Your response almost identical to what some Christians would say to explain unanswered prayer; a lack of faith/belief.

I tote the line, not necessarily a "believer". I actually see belief as the hindering aspect. If I believe something like the LOA then I have stuck it in a box and fixed it into something that can not follow what is actually happening. However, I do leave the door open to possibilities as much as I can. Like when LOA material says to let go of the outcome - that, to me, means that if you believe you will get what you are wishing - that belief would actually tend to limit the outcome to a certain result when there can be a result that would be better or more fitting.

How many people have prayed for physical healing and died anyway and then had people claim that they just didn't have enough faith to be healed??

I am not sure it's about faith or belief to be healed. I want to say it's like being able to let go and allow a grander result to come about is how healing happens. It's not in praying really hard and forcing yourself to believe or have faith - because I don't see how anyone could do that really. How does one conjure up faith or believe? It just doesn't happen. What can happen, is to toss faith and belief out the window to allow results that are what is fitting.

I also run into material that talks about people not being healed as that was their intended result. Even if they were wishing it not to be.

The fact that a lack of belief can effect outcomes is probably true to some extent, but not for the reasons you may believe. that lack of belief can effect the cause; thus resulting in a different effect, which looks like LOA but it's not.

I am approaching LOA in an allowing and accepting way myself. Hopefully I'm not trying to believe in it or expect grand happiness - but grand acceptance and allowing will produce a more open ended environment for cool results. Maybe I do believe that. that if we can get out of the way and stop trying to believe certain things, then we get better or more fitting results.


[/quote]The "law" of attraction can be just as easily explained as simple cause and effect and has little or nothing to do with belief. Every cause has an effect no matter who believes or disbelieves.[/quote]so you say, the LoA can be explained as CAE and isn't a belief. But you see CAE as always following a pattern. So, CAE is not a law?

You can say that because I assume that the law of gravity wouldn't change as a result of my belief; it won't, but if that were true, someone would have had the proper belief by now and would have been able to circumvent the law of gravity by now and been able to repeat it at will; thus proving once and for all that LOA was an immutable law. But, we're still waiting.

Have you hear the standard reply for this one? Everything is possible. It's just might not be probable. And there are morphic fields for all that we believe without knowing we do. We believe in gravity because of a shared field of belief. So to be able to un believe gravity is a tall order.

It happened spontaneously through a state of spiritual ecstasy; which I have personally experienced twice in my life (not levitation; but spiritual ecstasy).

Yeah, fantastic results like that are not what they were after. I've heard this also about saints that glow. They would even hide it and not want regular people to know about it because they really didn't care about the glowing - it was a side effect of deep communion.

I have yet to see a single example of actual levitation before or since. That's not to say it hasn't happened at some point but I'm surely not aware of any documented and repeatable cases and I would be very suspect about anyone claiming to have this ability without actual proof.

Those that can levitate are not out to show it off as it's not even something they are interested in - it just happens. And it's probably not something terribly useful either. It's like if we have super powers in normal life it's not really needed, but given some grave circumstance something extra ordinary like angels pulling you out of the car before the train hits would be useful.

It's true that thoughts can be a cause to some degree because thoughts do have power, but I'm not the least bit convinced that LOA as commonly described is a real law.

CAE is LOA in a direct way. Indirectly LOA is playing out all our unconscious patterns in a CAE way too. But also I would say there is a way to get out of the way and be aligned with what you can get such that what you are all about is also what comes to you. I know that is really airy fairy to write. I don't know how to write it. Something like, the LOA is more about finding your grove than insisting your grove be like we think it should be. To allow results to be open ended instead of worrying and wishing out of fear or lack for thing sot be different. Letting go of the worrying and wishing is actually what makes results more fitting.

It's just up to us to be aware, to implement the causes we want and calculate what the effects will be.

It's a good thing to know and still can even seem "magical", but we don't have to worry about our belief level. We can take that part out of the equation and free our minds for other things instead of wasting all of that energy on "belief" or "faith". CAE is a much more rational approach and will still produce the same results.

Magical stuff can happen. But I totally agree there is no real benefit in wasting energy on trying to believe or have faith that we can get some extraordinary results. That is actually intention with hooks out of fear to wish things to be different and holding onto these desires backfires and makes them not come about. When really if one can totally let go of needing what they feel like they need, then that or something more fitting will be. In the process of holding onto needing a certain outcome, limits are put in place and makes the outcomes not change. We get what we have always been getting because there is nothing different in our way of being when holding results to a certain outcome. I know, not very grounded and kind of unrealistic to say all that. However, cause and effect - if you are an archer and want to hit the target, how does one do that? By being all worried that the shot will be off? By believing the bulls eye will be hit? By wishing it? By commanding it? Not, none of that. By letting go and not being so involved with the process, by allowing the target to be hit. The down to earth effects in this example are that the person taking a shot with out needing to hit the target is much more relaxed and at ease so it's much easier to allow a bulls eye - in contrast to someone all worried about hitting the mark and focusing on missing as something they don't' want.

So, instead of LOA, I will now use the term CAE as a more accurate substitute AND expect and receive the same results. I don't believe that this is a bad thing at all. It's just more realistic IMO.

It can be as simple as good ol' fashioned fun and make a person feel better overall, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's true. The numerous mystery religions throughout the ages operated on that very premise and many of them cashed in on that part of human nature; literally.

yeah religions and selling the ideas are all part of trying to make people feel better, not trying to free them from their own bondage of beliefs. supply and demand in effect. People want to change their lives and other people say do this and you will change but they are really unknowingly selling and telling people to stay stuck and keep buying a bunch of ideas or doctrines.

[metaphysics101]

Originally Posted by Betrade

I know that bad LOA results get blamed on "fear", "disbelief", etc., but that just seems like an easy way to explain away the real answers without having to admit that it's just not true. Life is way more complicated than just willing something to be and have it happen. Deep down we all know that, and if we didn't, we would all have exactly the lives we desired simply be believing that we will and attracting all of the right stuff into our lives.

How many people "believe" that they'll win the lottery, meet Mr. or Mrs. 'right", get that promotion, etc., yet get the exact opposite instead?? This happens everyday to people all over the world. If this "law" were true, the world would be a far different place and people in general would have long ago figured it out and mastered the practical application of it. Obviously, this is not the case and just a quick look at the state of the world is evidence of that.

Betrade, I think what you have is that people don't fully understand how the law of attraction works(there are many things I don't undestand about it yet either).

Here is an example of how it works from a subconscious point of view. Years ago back in my early college years, I use to have this subconscious fear of seeing animals get hit by cars... I always tried to fight it off, but it was still there. One day I saw a dog get hit by a car and that fear was magnified 1000fold. I became obsessed that I would see it again and again.

Well, during the course of about a month, I saw 3 other dogs get hit by cars on the way to work...Now keep in mind that I didn't see any other dogs get hit by cars prior to this period. This was back in the early 90s....I just felt as if my fear was putting me at the right place and at the right time to see this happen. I started working on getting rid of the fear a couple of weeks later through lots of meditation sessions..Once I abolished the fear, I never ever saw another animal get hit since...

Now, why are some fears realized and others not? Perhaps it has to do with the intensity of the fear. I'm not sure. If someone tells you that they are afraid of something, you can't tell how afraid they are and how deep that fear runs. How deep does the fear need to be to attract it into reality?

I know, there are certain things that people attract into their lives that they no conscious fear of...I often wonder if somehow subconscious negative emotions show up different ways.

Another example is this gal I work with who is petrified of spiders, and she's constantly getting bitten by spiders at work and having spiders crawl on her etc...Yet, I don't have a fear of spiders at all and I've never been bitten by 1 1 spider in my entire life....

Like attract like. There's so many examples I can give that fit the Law of Attraction that outweigh coincidence. I think our main problem is that we don't understand completely how it works...

I mean, how would the law of attraction even work in regards to a lottery when you have thousands of people believing that they will win the same lottery??..

We just can't be arrogant and think that just because we don't completely understand how something works, negates its validity.

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by Breakaway

Reality is objective.

Prove it, a priori. Annoying, I know... but I couldn't resist.

[metaphysics101]

Betrade, another thing I meant to add to what I posted above is that sometimes I think that perhaps what we have here is that the law of attraction may be somehow subject to constraints that are based upon each individual's own purpose and development. So what we end up seeing is the "like attracts like", "reap what we sow" that's always in place, but we also end up seeing seemingly random events that occur also. The question would be, why are those events seemingly random?

#1, maybe they are truly random or

#2, perhaps those events are somehow tied to our own learning and self-development in this lifetime to help with growth.

#3 OR perhaps somehow it's karma related from a previous existence(IF you believe in the continuation of consciousness, like I do).

I think it's the word "law" that throws everyone off. Movies like "the secret" sensationalized the "law of attraction" and made it sound like something it's not...I shook my head so many times during "The Secret" and I knew that the message they were providing was too over the top and too definite and promising materialistic fortunes. I also knew that the movie would bring every skeptic out of the closet, and rightfully so.

I lean on the side of thinking that it's NOT a rigid law like the law of physics is. I think that there are constraints which govern the law of attraction, and we just aren't sure what those constraints are and how to handle them, if we can even handle them at all.

With all this said, I don't dismiss the law of attraction because I've seen it happen way too many times in my life when I've played with it,and I've also used it to attract wonderful things into my life(relationships, people, events etc)....I've never used it to attract materialistic things into my life such as a beautiful large home or a nice car or any other objects, because those things only bring temporary happiness anyway, so my desire for those things isn't deep rooted and strong enough to bring those "things" into my existence.

Anyway, just my opinion
Sorry for any grammer or typing errors. I haven't had my coffee yet, hehe.

Blessings,
Dusty

[Elrond]

Originally Posted by metaphysics101

I lean on the side of thinking that it's NOT a rigid law like the law of physics is. I think that there are constraints which govern the law of attraction, and we just aren't sure what those constraints are and how to handle them, if we can even handle them at all.

Gravity is not a rigid law. Just look, there are lights hanging up in the sky, and even objects that rotate around our earth. Clearly, the laws of nature are different in space than on earth. And clearly, we can't be moving around the sun, because if we did, we would notice that we were moving.

Physics - I just disproved it.

Point - everything has "constraints" that makes it look like it can do contradicting things. But if you look deep enough, you see that it all ties together, and doesn't really "contradict" itself. Maybe the same is true for the LoA... who knows. Perhaps it's a metaphysical question.

[Mounds]

...and were back!

Regarding the statement of "reality is objective", it actually is! There's a virtual world created by your brain, which every living thing experiences and then there is the immutable objective world that is unaffected by what we believe.
LOA exists in the virtual world created by your mind. As we all know, the mind can be easily fooled.

-Tim