Who Is Projecting Who?
In his article on Law of Attraction, Steve Pavlina writes the following:
The way it reads is that Steve is telling us -- or ME, rather, that I am the only conscious person within the universe that I perceive around me. That everyone else is simply a projection of my own consciousness, without free will, and dependent upon my thoughts to dictate their behavior within this very realistic dream we call physical reality.
If this is true, then Steve Pavlina is nothing more than a character concocted by my imagination within this "great cosmic dream" that I -- assumedly "God" -- created within my mind for the benefit and amusement of the personality you all know as "Rocket Surgery." Of course, in Steve's concept, none of you are actually there even reading this since you're all projections of MY mind, the only one that exists or matters. And any responses to this post will also be fabrications of MY mind which, I suppose, serve the purpose to solidify MY illusion that you are all real people and NOT the projections that he/I claim you to be.
At the end of his/my article, he/I say....
I can wrap my mind around the idea of there being only ONE great cosmic consciousness, and that all reality takes place within the mind and imagination of that same entity. I just have an awfully hard time with the idea that you are all projections of MY mind. And when I say MY, I mean the self-aware personality currently typing at this keyboard; not the OCC. Or OUCC. I don't have to spell out the initials. You're me, after all, so you know what they stand for.
Anyway, I think that perhaps I would like to interpret the above quotes another way. Maybe Steve is correct, but thinking about reality in this manner certainly tends to distract from what I believe to be a quite purposeful illusion.
While it may be true that AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL, I am in reality the OUCC, it seems to me to make more sense that I am ALSO a sub-category of consciousness created who-knows-how-long-ago as one of countless projections of the OCC for the purpose of experiencing reality through one of countless unique perspectives. I believe that the person known on this board as Rocket Surgery is no more or less "real" than each and every one of you, and that each and every ONE of us is a unique "point of EXPERIENCE" of the greater OCC.
I spend much of my time editing non-linear video. All video is captured to the hard disk from a SINGLE tape recording. From there, it is broken into "clips" which are in turn broken down into "subclips" for the purpose of better focus on the content thereof. Yet each clip and subclip, although assigned its own filename/identity, is in reality just a part of the ONE master tape.
So, am I the "master tape" of the universe? No. I am a subclip which contains a very small part of the whole picture. Each of you is a seperate subclip -- some no more than a frame or so different from me -- but still uniquely you when viewed from that perspective. You are not a part of me anymore than I am part of you, yet we are all connected to each other for we are all a part of the Master Tape that gave birth to us all.
The only way that I can sort of "buy into" Steve's perspective is by looking at reality through the "all things happen at once" filter, where I accept that Time-Space is a creation of the OCC in order to put events within a framework that they may be more closely studied by the OCC through the perspectives of we subclips -- er, physical human beings, to wit:
All Things Happen in the now, the present, and since Time has no meaning to the OCC, then He/She/All-That-Is has already experienced every other life I see around me, and is currently focusing on MY -- Rocket Surgery's -- particular experiences. When this personality "dies," the OCC will then shift focus to some other POE and experience that persective fully -- perhaps that of my wife.
So, basically, as John Lennon once put it.... "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together..." My wife is also self-aware just as I am, only at a different time from the OCC's perspective. The OCC's focus is not limited to physical time-space, therefore the OCC can focus completely through each and every one of us in turn... but from our perspective the OCC is focusing through everybody at the same time.
Like time travel in the movies, you can visit yourself in the past. You know its' the same consciousness in both versions of you, but you experience only one of them at a time, even though both occupy the same point in time-space. So the OCC is like a time traveler in that respect perhaps.
Each one of you "feels" like the current focus of the OCC because YOU ARE! As am I. The OCC is not only the ultimate time traveler, but is in actuality, a TIME-SPACE traveler, able to occupy all spaces (POE's) at any point in space-time it chooses. It's indeed all happening at the same time, but to the OCC, it's ONE at a time.
That's all I got for now. Any thoughts?
I am not a projection of your mind... the mind doesn't create anything. I am a manifestation of your consciousness. Your self-aware personality is a tiny tiny part of you that is very unaware of its vastness.
I am entirely real. I am consciousness that right now is present in the physical plane typing this to you/me.
Secondly, given the topic of this discussion, what's your hurry? ;-)
RS you are talking to me bro, thats all I have to say right now.
It's not really a hurry thing. It's how much stuff do I want to hold in my head at one time. I guess I believe it is work to read a long post and keep your train of thought and concepts in my head. I'm being lazy I guess.
I just have a hard time believing that all the stupid people in the world are part of the same consciousness that I'm a part of. There are just so many ignorant people out there, I would hate to think I have something to do with their existance. :)
On the other hand, I also agree with Steve in that what you see has to do with your own consciousness. What shows up, what you experience is purely due to you and nothing outside of you. Each consciousness is a complete entity. Most people think their consciousness is comprised of their physical body, but to me, this is a very limited, insufficient scope. You have to expand that scope to "anything you are aware of in the physical or mental space-time continuum".
There is still no tug-of-war of intentions or contradictions. What you hold true in your consciousness space (not just any thought, but beliefs) will show up eventually. The correct type of consciousness needed to manifest your beliefs will show up within your consciousness space to have you experience what you hold to be true internally.
That's how I see it.
If this is true, then we'd better get everyone to genuinely believe "people rock!". Otherwise, even if a single person thinks "people suck!", then someone will have to be that consciousness to manifest this thought in that other person's consciousness space.
This actually gets very complicated very fast.. Because supposedly, the "God" consciousness intended everything as is.. Will we ever get everyone to believe "people rock!"? Who knows... But at least you better believe it yourself to avoid the wrath of consciousnesses that respond to "people suck!". Of course believing means acting in a way that supports the belief. You can't think people rock and then call them names or avoid them in fear...
Sorry.. I rambled a lot.
Were you not ignorant once, and are you not still ignorant to many things? Could these "ignorant" people not be old pieces of you?
As i see it, it's kind of hard accept the SR mindset if you think from your ego's point of view.
In this matter, when i say "I" i dont think in my physical body, because I Am not this physical body. This body it's just a tool that i use to experience this physical world, in a video game context: I am the player (real me, or god) not the character into the Game (physical body into a physical world).
"What are people in subjective reality?
People, including your own avatar, are projections of consciousness. They are not projections of your ego; your ego itself is a projection of consciousness as well.
Every human being is effectively a physical representation of part of the contents of consciousness. You are that consciousness, so every human being is a manifestation of a part of you. Consequently, everyone is significant and meaningful ó there are no irrelevant or inconsequential people.
Every person you create in your reality is the manifestation of a thought. Every unique person represents a specific aspect of consciousness itselfÖ a specific aspect of you....
What are human relationships?
Human relationships are the physical representation of the relationships between different parts of the content of consciousness. Whatever thoughts are contained in your consciousness will manifest in the form of human relationships.
For example, if you hold thoughts of conflict in your consciousness, you will perceive conflict between people. The people in your reality will seek to harm each other. If you hold thoughts of love in your consciousness, you will perceive loving relationships between people.
If you hold thoughts of attractiveness, new relationships will come to your avatar. If you hold thoughts of repulsiveness, your avatar will manifest that in his/her relationships...."
My understanding of it is, our true identity is the Awareness underlying everything, and not our personal consciousness. Our personal consciousness is just a projection of the OCC. Without the subjective Awareness of God, consciousness would not exist. Consciousness is change, and what changes must occur against an un-changing backdrop in order to even exist, and Awareness/God/the real "you" is that backdrop.
The way we think of ourselves is like the center of a circle of consciousness, and the entire temporal-spacial universe represents the circumference of it. That circle is our "subjective reality." However, God being outside yet inclusive of time-space, is like being the center of every consciousness, and having no circumference. Our ego believes that our identity is the center of this circle we circumscribed about ourselves, and it thinks that being the "center" it is special and separate from the rest of the circle, but our true identity is what gave rise to subjective awareness in the first place, i.e. God being the centers of all possible circles.
A similar analogy is one that Steve talked about:
I think the trouble is when the thumb believes that it is like a body, rather than knowing that its true identity is the body. Our egos think we are ultimately God, and in a sense we are, but only at the level of identity, not at the level of function. A thumb can't start ordering the other fingers around and tell them to do what it wants; it can only follow the body's orders to the best of its abilities and trust that the body knows what is best for its thumbs and fingers.
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