If reality is truly subjective, then why are Steve and Erin changing their diets?
 

Since both Steve and Erin claim that reality is entirely subjective,

then why don't they change their thoughts,

instead of their diets?


What part of 'reality' are they bending to accommodate?

And why is one of them struggling with health, when both psychic powers are claimed, AND they claim that they are creating their reality entirely from their own minds?

i think you're talking about perception. they perceive reality in that manner, but reality in itself is governed by laws, such as gravity, aging, so on and so forth.

man is the only being capable of lying to itself and believe it. (self hypnosis)

man can only create from something that already exists or something from equivalent. ;)

I thought they just said that viewing reality subjectively is a useful way of seeing reality. Most people view reality objectively, so Steve wrote some articles explaining the subjective perspective.

Subjective reality is not objective truth.
It's a pair of reality sunnies you throw on to get a different spin on situations, a new point of entry into solutions and an interesting approach to life.

It is NOT the only sunnies you wear, as there is no perfect pair, they all have their pros and cons.

Try it, record results, share. Rinse, repeat.

If reality is subjective in the sense that Steve suggests there is no difference between those two things.

The belief structure is someone's sacred religion. Me, for example, I know the denial I carry around money. I can see exactly how I put my experience into place around money and abundance (lol, or lack of). But I don't change it. It's a habit. These are deep patterns within me and I am changing them now.

The same goes with people and food. There is a belief that certain foods create health or disease. That for some is deep religion. They've not discovered their denial around this area yet. The reality is they choose to eat food and they choose health or deny their health. All choices are mutually exclusive. One choice does not effect another choice, unless a link is made between those choices (and THAT is a choice too).

As we approach 2012, the new consciousness or new energy of consciousness is coming in as the old is exiting. The veil that humanity used to cover their use of denial is getting very thin. The denial that we've used to hide our other uses of denial is not working anymore and we're going to have to deal with it. Being psychic and thinking you create from your mind does not make you immune from your denial in the moment.

No one is claiming reality is subjective. Steve is presenting subjective reality as a useful lens with which to perceive reality. We have both found it to be an extremely powerful lens, but you are free to choose the lens by which you would like to perceive reality and you'll get the results that go with it.

As for diet... I struggle with diet and health because I have conflicting beliefs in this area that have precluded me from achieving what I deem to be good health. I can't be a vibrational match for a healthy, slim and trim body if I have limiting beliefs which don't serve me.

By working on changing my beliefs, my habits will change, my diet will change, my health will change. It all works together.

Being psychic doesn't make me capable of waving my magic wand and manifesting something I'm not a vibrational match for. You attract what you think about. When I can get my thoughts aligned with a trim and slim body, I will achieve it.

And might I comment on the tone with which you posted your original comment. Somewhat confrontational no? It didn't seem to me as if you truly wanted to understand but instead were seeking to discredit something you either don't understand or don't want to believe is real. You will get what you expect. You will see what you expect to see. Be careful to make sure that what you expect is what you really want, because you will surely get it.

Erin, I'm not that familiar with your views since I generally have only read Steve, but if you have psychic abilities, then how do you have any free will?

And wouldn't you already know if your diet will work, or if Steve's polyamory will be successful or not?

Breakaway: Destiny vs. Free Will

From within the subjective perspective, dietary change is simply the choice to have a new experience within your simulated reality.

When you're having a dream and you become lucid, it can be a lot of fun to follow the plot of the current dream to see where it leads. You do this for the enjoyment of the experience.

The simulation of reality has a purpose -- it helps you grow and develop your consciousness. Often it's better to work within the simulation instead of trying to override it. This way you can experience the gains you're here to make.

Adopting a raw food diet helped me to shift my consciousness and enjoy some tremendous growth experiences. It's a more disciplined way of eating, so it boosted my mental discipline. It's brought much more variety into my life, so my experience of reality has changed a lot. It's created new connections with others who eat this way, so my social life has changed as well. These were all fascinating and enjoyable developments.

well i do find it werid how people like wayne dyer cant manifest hair

Maybe having hair isn't important to him.

yeah there was a selfish motive in my post

Neither your actions nor your results are congruent with this belief system. Subjective reality was presented as a mode of of thinking, and a valid stable model of reality does not switch or discard a false 'lens' at will. If this model were even valid as a transplant, then you would not be having these issues.





The original post is simply pointing out the incongruity between your and Steve's teachings and your actions. Why are you perceiving it as confrontational?

If a teacher says listen to what I have to say and how to live life, but is neither living it that way themselves, nor showing positive results in those areas, how can what they teach be true? To maintain and disseminate such false systems of belief neither benefits themselves, nor the people to whom it is taught.

You and Steve should investigate what parts of reality you are holding and teaching are false, rather than continue to spread the false teachings.


Instead, you turned the comment into a personal issue, rather than addressing the issue that was raised.

I think you're confusing subjective reality as Steve relates it, with your idea that Steve and Erin are not of your creation. Steve explains subjective reality, but he's not saying anything that you are not creating. Steve is merely a projection in you reality. He will provide to you whatever you require.

He is of your creation.

Steve and Erin don't have diets or conflicting ideals, ideas or opinions. It's all something you are creating and then asking why it makes no sense to you. Everyone (yes including me) is a projection of your consciousness in your reality.

There is no way you can escape responsibility.

Asking why Steve and Erin have conflicting ideas, is basically saying........

'Who are these people and why are they doing stuff I don't get'

All the while you are denying you're creating them and then asking questions of them and why they are doing stuff that makes no sense to you, but you are still creating it all.

Judge

Good way to change the subject.

Basically, subjective reality is being used here to deflect criticisms and maintain incongruity.

See this objectively and realistically, and how this incomplete model is neither showing reality clearly nor interacting with it effectively. Why don't you just adopt a more accurate model of reality, rather than try to defend this incomplete and inaccurate one?

Lots of fancy words there :rolleyes:

Still not taking responsibility for what you are creating? :D

You seek an objective seperate world from yourself to deny the subjective reality that is entirely of your creaation. The objective world exists inside of the subjective reality which is a term to define reality inside of your own consciousness.

And then you don't like how it plays out :rolleyes:

Most people get lost here, resort to ego and create a defendable position. Instead of defense, realise I, Steve, whoever give you what you require..........and then you don't like it :rolleyes:

You only ever argue with youself.

Although it can be enlightening :D

Judge

Again you, as Erin did, are changing the subject, back to attack the 'person' who pointed it out, rather than to discuss the actual issue.

Do not talk about the poster, but about the situation as it is.

In your reality as well, and Erin's and Steve's, everyone who has come across their articles sees that what is written on day 1 is different than the results that they are showing on day 5. Steve and Erin claim that reality is subjective. Erin claims that she is psychic, and can help other people solve their problems.

But they are both changing their reality to suit an objective biological law, rather than changing their thoughts about diet and health. And Erin is not living in health or truth, so how can she claim to cure others when she is not well herself? Steve also wrote himself, not to trust someone whose life is not in accordance with the principles they claim



There is clearly an incongruity in their belief systems or their thinking, because their actions and results do not match. So, rather than attack someone who points this out, why not do some searching and find out why this is so, and obtain a clearer and more accurate view of reality?

A. Subjective Reality" -- I don't think it means what you think it means.

B. "Functional" <> "Descriptive".

C. Their stated behavior appears perectly congruent with their stated beliefs to me (but that's just my perspective).

D. "Psychic abilities" <> "Snap your fingers and grow wings".

E. Proving something and understanding something in greater depth can both be very useful goals, but in any given situation, they may possiby be mutually exclusive, not because one has to automatically accept something as true in order to learn from it, but because focusing on proof, belief, and debate may be using the mind in such a way as to interfere with understanding --- sometimes it is helpful to learn and debate at separate times.

Judge is more relaxed than Animus, so I vote for Judge's perspective of reality.:D

I'm not attacking you. I'm attempting to show you the truth you seek.

You look to Steve and Erin and even Judge to justify your (egoic) position.

That position has some limited value, but all egoic positions never last, all human life ends.

But you want to keep defending a position based on time, feeling and emotion.

I do not have any position, you create me in your world for a reason, then want to fight your own creation. How does that make sense to you and/or help you?

It's not my perspective, it's yours. I do not and can not exist independant of your creation.

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Think about this......

When everyone leaves you, when they all go home, move away, die, become forgotten, then who is left?

You are.

There is no one else.

And then we look to the world full of questions about why this is.

Keep defending your ego position, it will keep you busy for a thousand years, but it's not so bad.......it's always the now, so you can always choose to be the present moment, the now.............

what else is there? :rolleyes:

Judge

There is nothing being defended. There is no ego involved either, that is your projection.
The original post is simply pointing to the discrepancy in beliefs and results that two writers here are teaching.


Everyone else who has read their articles is viewing the same thing.


When someone points out an error in thinking and results, those who seek the truth will acknowledge it and seek to correct it, rather than defend a false position.

I don't have an ego :rolleyes: or a projection.

This is all you baby!! :D:D:D

You mean the two writers who you created, who have so much power over you to make you want to challenge them to defend their position??? :rolleyes:

The thread you started is full of seeking why Steve and Erin are doing stuff you don't understand??

Blame Steve and Erin, even blame me (I hate Judge:rolleyes:) you will never understand people, until you accept you created them all, including me.

Judge

PS: I should mention there is no Judge, no Steve, no Erin, no god, no one else, there is only you.....it's a BIG responsibility......:rolleyes:

Once again, you are pointing fingers at the poster to divert attention rather than looking at the issue that was shown.

And nope, you first introduced the word 'ego' to this thread.
:rolleyes:


The post is not about seeking why Erin and Steve are behaving incongruently as an end. Clearly, they have not yet found an accurate model of reality. It is to point it out, and show that they should first find the truth and behave congruently before teaching their beliefs to others.

"They should first find the truth"

You mean your truth.

The truth you want to see in them to make you feel better.

Keep doing that, ego LOVES that.

Judge

Haha. Nope, but you have a fairly good use of Ad Hominem here.


Again, anyone can live as they want, but not all people claim to live by truth. Those who do, need to make sure they actually have it, and live by it, before teaching others.

(Latin: "argument against the man")

I presume you are the man. :rolleyes:

I am the argument against the man, the man, being you.

Therefore we should argue?

Who am I?

I am you.

Who are you?

You still look to others to instruct you.

When you fail your expectations, your go online and tell them they have failed you.

Who fails you?

Steve and Erin have not failed you.

Judge has not failed you.

You fail yourself.

We actually love you and will do everything to help you.

But you keep blaming us for the world you have created.

There is no Steve, Erin, Judge.

How can we fail you, when we do not exist?

Judge

our reality has rules which cannot be changed, like you live and die, you need food to eat so on and so forth. :3..

steve and erin has good ideas, but they are still subject to the laws of nature and our reality. that's something they can not change. :3.. they just adapted to the world in a way that they choose to have.

^^, this should be common sense. :3..

Again, you are putting the poster into this, rather than addressing the issue.

I am not looking for them to instruct me. The truth is that reality has both objective and subjective components.

But they are claiming that reality is entirely subjective. That is false.

This issue was brought up in order to help them see the faults in their reasoning, and to instruct others more accurately and according to the truth.

You guys do realise there is NO way to win this argument right?:D