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Old 01-02-2007, 04:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am having difficulty defining the limits of what's relative and what's absolute.

On one hand, there is the idea that everything you see/experience is an outward projection of your inward world. The inward world is your beliefs. Not just any random thought that you entertain, but the thoughts you take as the truth and turn into beliefs inside your mind.

On the other hand, there is science which is interested in natural phenomenon that are observable by anyone, and the effects of which are reproducible by anyone, anywhere at will.

So the question is the following: Are scientific facts basically artificial limits that we impose upon ourselves only because they are observed by many? That seems to be true for many things. If you look at the progression of scientific and technological developments, we continually push the limits and redefine what is possible and what is not.

But then there are other issues which seem to be more absolute than relative. For example, our bodies seemingly need food and air. Certain chemicals are harmful to our bodies such as alcohol, cigarettes, certain drugs, corbon monoxide, etc. For example, you could be exposed to an odorless poisonous gas and your body will cease to function whether you were aware that you were exposed to poisonous gas or not.

So then, where is the line between the absolute and the relative? Perhaps there is no absolutes in the most general sense, but the way we are constructed imposes certain limitations? Any thoughts, comments?
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before i start maybe you could have different title for your topic

This is good thinking and my opinion is that yes there are limits based on the physical body. For example toxins for the physical body and other dangers.

However, if you are in sync with the Universe... you will not come into contact with these toxins in the first place. Or murderers. Or Accidents. Or what have you bad stuff.

Bodies need food and air.. yes. But if your belief is strong enough... you don't need either. To be at that level... you would have to be a true Master. Hey which reminds me Steve is almost there... what with 3 hr. sleep days haha.

The weakest link in the body breaks.
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before i start maybe you could have different title for your topic
The title came from a blog post which did not have its own topic in the forum, so I decided to create one. I agree that it is a little misleading.
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before i start maybe you could have different title for your topic

This is good thinking and my opinion is that yes there are limits based on the physical body. For example toxins for the physical body and other dangers.

However, if you are in sync with the Universe... you will not come into contact with these toxins in the first place. Or murderers. Or Accidents. Or what have you bad stuff.

Bodies need food and air.. yes. But if your belief is strong enough... you don't need either. To be at that level... you would have to be a true Master. Hey which reminds me Steve is almost there... what with 3 hr. sleep days haha.

The weakest link in the body breaks.
In my humble opinion, I think it's extremely confusing and inaccurate to equate subjective reality with being able to fly and not needing food. Is this a joke? It totally boggles my mind and confuses me. These extreme examples challenge very fundamental universal laws. To me, this equates subjective reality to pure insanity. As, only the insane can convince truly allow themselves to believe this. Then, they jump of a building. We see what happens, they fall down. Could they believe they are flying? Well, they certainly are, but only thanks to gravity for their death .

While on the subject of subjective reality, how does one view terrorists? If using the subjective model on relationships; it's a very bitter pill to swallow. Anyone care to shed some light?
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In my humble opinion, I think it's extremely confusing and inaccurate to equate subjective reality with being able to fly and not needing food. Is this a joke? It totally boggles my mind and confuses me. These extreme examples challenge very fundamental universal laws. To me, this equates subjective reality to pure insanity. As, only the insane can convince truly allow themselves to believe this. Then, they jump of a building. We see what happens, they fall down. Could they believe they are flying? Well, they certainly are, but only thanks to gravity for their death .

While on the subject of subjective reality, how does one view terrorists? If using the subjective model on relationships; it's a very bitter pill to swallow. Anyone care to shed some light?
If reality is your perception. Then your reality becomes what you percieve it to be. Laws can be broken if you know it is illusion.

This may sound like quack talk... and I certainly am no authority on this. But the ones that have mastered this know that all is illusion.
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While on the subject of subjective reality, how does one view terrorists? If using the subjective model on relationships; it's a very bitter pill to swallow. Anyone care to shed some light?
Terrorists or anything big is created on a mass consciousness scale. But the extent to which it affects your life is decided by you.
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Terrorists or anything big is created on a mass consciousness scale. But the extent to which it affects your life is decided by you.
The thing is they never get away with their actions even though it might seem that way for the casual observer. Whoever creates distress, fear and anxiety (especially on a mass scale) will find exactly that for themselves. In fact, they might have that much distress, fear and anxiety within themselves to begin with. They project this outwardly on a huge scale.

We gotta get these people to somehow understand that all this fear, anxiety and distress is unnecessary and counterproductive both for themselves and for everyone else.

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With regards to bad stuff in our world. I wonder whether the universe is subject to free radicals so to speak. Whether generally the universe itself has hiccups that are not part of it’s oneness? Anomalies? Or whether these would be considered as part of its wholeness, difficult to get a definitive answer I 'spose, just wondering.
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Ha ha ha ha that reminds me of a story about Ida. Ida was a woman I met through a mutual exclusive friend. Ida was a person of great strength and dexterity. She was from a foreign country with nowhere to go. I took her in and we grew together, compatibly. Then she stole money and my computer from me. She left as fast as the wind blows and it was over, all done. Relationship shattered. All we had built together gone. It was a shame, but I learned a valuable lesson. People be talking, talking about people. I got her sent back to Uzbekistan and I ended up getting my computer back. I told her I forgave her, but in no way would I ever want our lives to cross again. I gave her her renegade walking stick and she fled the country, at my suggestion. She was removed from my reality. This is what you have to do.

Remove the bad things from your reality. Allow good things to come in. Not all good things will remain good forever, like with Ida, so usher in a new flow of good items every few months. I will miss Ida forever, but ifshe turned sour, then that's how it must be.
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