Juice Feasting - Day 13 (Blog)

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

You can also screw up the raw diet and make your health worse if you don't know what you're doing, but there are so many great resources available now that this isn't as likely if you're moderately intelligent.

Well Steve, even you started to endorse material from Matt Monarch. I would say, if you are moderately intelligent you would disregard such a collection of nonsense right away .

I believe many people are screwing up their health with raw foods because going raw is such a great challenge that many people are not ready for it and go back and forth from cooked to raw. Further there is a huge amount of contradictory information, still. Most people are not ready to take full responsibility and turn to supplements and things like regular colonics. One problem with eating is that most people are addicted to the stimulation of variety, which is not optimal for digestion. This keeps being the case when most people go raw. As Doug Graham says; if it looks like pizza and it tastes like pizza, it's going to digest like pizza. I don't think it is in favour of your long term health to compensate that with regular colonics, though many people are still in that phase.

[rosegold]

Originally Posted by rosegold

Do you recommend someone to just jump from a vegetarian diet to a juice diet without bypassing vegan raw state?

Do anybody recommend jumping to juice fasting/feasting instead of transition mode vegan state?

Also how much does it cost to get all equipments set up and make juice.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Well Steve, even you started to endorse material from Matt Monarch. I would say, if you are moderately intelligent you would disregard such a collection of nonsense right away .

Matt's ideas have been very helpful to me, so I can't agree with you there, at least not based on my current results.

For example, after meeting with him at Raw Spirit Fest, I was talking to him about why I'd only lost 2-3 pounds after eating 100% raw for months. He recommended colon hydrotherapy. I did two sessions afterwards and started losing weight again (about a pound per week for 6 weeks straight... before I started juice feasting) without changing my diet at all.

I judge ideas primarily based on personal results.

[Playlife]

What's with the obsession with losing weight? Why is that so important? And why is it important to keep losing more and more weight? Is there any people here who don't weigh themselves? I personally don't really care how much I weigh, just as long as I feel good and healthy. Isn't weight just a number? It's like bloggers checking their page views day by day.

Anyone up for a 30-days trial of not using numbers? (we can have some other person track the time so no problem with counting days.)

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Matt's ideas have been very helpful to me, so I can't agree with you there, at least not based on my current results.

For example, after meeting with him at Raw Spirit Fest, I was talking to him about why I'd only lost 2-3 pounds after eating 100% raw for months. He recommended colon hydrotherapy. I did two sessions afterwards and started losing weight again (about a pound per week for 6 weeks straight... before I started juice feasting) without changing my diet at all.

I judge ideas primarily based on personal results.

That's not the point Steve. I entirely believe that a colonic once in a while can be very beneficial. There are probably many great things that Matt Monarch brings to the table. Every raw food guru has its value.

But I think it goes a bit far to recommend books stuffed with illogical reasoning and pseudo-science, just because he also recommends colonics, which happened to help you.

And, in this case, I think the BS points far outweigh the positive things he brings to the table, especially for people new on the raw diet, who are not able to filter the good stuff from the bad, and, I hope you agree, there are a lot of disputable arguments in his books.

[Savage]

There are disputable arguments in every book, including my own. That's just the nature of exploring leading-edge topics. Even objective science is built upon a foundation of unprovable assumptions, so there isn't much of a distinction between science and pseudo-science. The main difference lies in how they market their answers.

It's up to us to run our own experiments and discover our own truths. If I get better results with an alternative approach vs. a mainstream approach, I'll follow the path that works for me, and I'll happily share it with others.

As far as detox is concerned, I find it interesting that my results thus far seem to be consistent with a lot of the stuff Matt and other authors have written -- far more consistent than the B.S. that circulates in mainstream nutrition circles. For example, how can I lose 6 pounds in 2 weeks w/o cutting calories? I don't see a good mainstream explanation of that. How did I lose 8 lbs in one month of eating low-fat raw, when I actually upped my daily calories by 15%? Mainstream nutritional "science" essentially treats all calories as equal. So to me those mainstream theories must be bunk because they're inconsistent with my real-world results. Those ideas simply don't fit the data.

On the other hand, I'm seeing pretty good evidence that the blood gas theory is correct. For one, while I've been juice feasting, I'm not consuming gas-forming foods, but I've been expelling a ton of gas lately. I'm also losing weight w/o restricting calories. So if the theory is wrong, which of course it may be, so far it's consistent with my results. I have nothing to contradict it with at this point.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

On the other hand, I'm seeing pretty good evidence that the blood gas theory is correct. For one, while I've been juice feasting, I'm not consuming gas-forming foods, but I've been expelling a ton of gas lately. I'm also losing weight w/o restricting calories. So if the theory is wrong, which of course it may be, so far it's consistent with my results. I have nothing to contradict it with at this point.

This blood gas theory is pretty interesting. First time I've heard of it.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

There are disputable arguments in every book, including my own. That's just the nature of exploring leading-edge topics. Even objective science is built upon a foundation of unprovable assumptions, so there isn't much of a distinction between science and pseudo-science. The main difference lies in how they market their answers.

It's up to us to run our own experiments and discover our own truths. If I get better results with an alternative approach vs. a mainstream approach, I'll follow the path that works for me, and I'll happily share it with others.

As far as detox is concerned, I find it interesting that my results thus far seem to be consistent with a lot of the stuff Matt and other authors have written -- far more consistent than the B.S. that circulates in mainstream nutrition circles. For example, how can I lose 6 pounds in 2 weeks w/o cutting calories? I don't see a good mainstream explanation of that. How did I lose 8 lbs in one month of eating low-fat raw, when I actually upped my daily calories by 15%? Mainstream nutritional "science" essentially treats all calories as equal. So to me those mainstream theories must be bunk because they're inconsistent with my real-world results. Those ideas simply don't fit the data.

On the other hand, I'm seeing pretty good evidence that the blood gas theory is correct. For one, while I've been juice feasting, I'm not consuming gas-forming foods, but I've been expelling a ton of gas lately. I'm also losing weight w/o restricting calories. So if the theory is wrong, which of course it may be, so far it's consistent with my results. I have nothing to contradict it with at this point.

Exactly WHAT are you losing Steve; is it bodyfat or is it water? According to natural hygene you are losing water, not bodyfat or gas (which must really be under EXTREEEEEEEEME pressures to weigh something significant). Also toxins, but the weight is in the water. And, what do you mean, you haven't been consuming gas forming foods? Why does an avocado or a veggie is a gas producing food? Only if they get stuck and start to rot. There is no reason for me to believe that juice can't get stuck and start to rot. In the contrary, since it has no fiber to push it out it will likely to start to rot sooner.

[munish]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

This blood gas theory is pretty interesting. First time I've heard of it.

This is the 7th day of juice feast.

There is no Belching till date.

But sometimes there is heaviness in the head.

I am taking herbs like Triphla, and LIv 52 of Himalayan Herbs 4-5 times a day.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Exactly WHAT are you losing Steve; is it bodyfat or is it water? According to natural hygene you are losing water, not bodyfat or gas (which must really be under EXTREEEEEEEEME pressures to weigh something significant). Also toxins, but the weight is in the water. And, what do you mean, you haven't been consuming gas forming foods? Why does an avocado or a veggie is a gas producing food? Only if they get stuck and start to rot. There is no reason for me to believe that juice can't get stuck and start to rot. In the contrary, since it has no fiber to push it out it will likely to start to rot sooner.

According to the body fat measuring device I'm using, my body fat has dropped by about 2.5 percentage points in the past 16 days of juice feasting. Unless the device is totally inaccurate (which I doubt), I'm losing a significant amount of fat on this juice feast. I've lost 7.8 pounds so far, and I seriously doubt it's all water weight -- that notion just doesn't fit the data.

Most toxins are stored in fat cells. As you unload the toxins, the fat cells shrink.

If you'd like to come to Vegas with your own body fat measuring device, measure me now, and then again in a few weeks, and compare the results, I invite you to do so.

[Angela]

My Tanita scale is pretty good at monitoring water, fat, muscle, and bone mass, and visceral fat. The fat percentage on my scale matched a professional caliper measurement I had done. It might not all be perfectly accurate, but it's a fun way to watch the trends.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

According to the body fat measuring device I'm using, my body fat has dropped by about 2.5 percentage points in the past 16 days of juice feasting. Unless the device is totally inaccurate (which I doubt), I'm losing a significant amount of fat on this juice feast. I've lost 7.8 pounds so far, and I seriously doubt it's all water weight -- that notion just doesn't fit the data.

I did a month of very strict low fat raw vegan eating where I dropped from a fat percentage of about 6.5% to 4.5% according to my scale. After that I had a salty meal, still low fat though. The next day my body fat percentage was 6.0% again, where my weight also increase 4lbs. A total increase of fat of about 2lbs in one day, where I did not consume any fatty foods at all (so a maximum of 1oz of fat). I wouldn't put to much faith in the accuracy of those measuring devices. I think they are roughly correct, but that they are calibrated with people on a 'normal' diet or with whatever kind of parameters that might be different in your case.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Most toxins are stored in fat cells. As you unload the toxins, the fat cells shrink.

This could very well be. I don't know if you actually lose the fat with it that fast. The only way to be sure is to have extremely accurate measuring devices and I don't think the average measuring device is that accurate. Another way of looking at it, is to see how easy you gain it back. Most people who lose an extreme amount of weight in the beginning when they switch there diets gain it back as easily as they lost it.

But, despite of that, it could be true. I seriously doubt the caloric formula too. For instance, when you have indigestion, the food might leave the body through the bowels without the body even having the chance to burn the calories. There are a million other factors that could be playing a role here, so I think it is very well possible to lose more fat than you would expect according to the caloric formula when you go on juice feast.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

If you'd like to come to Vegas with your own body fat measuring device, measure me now, and then again in a few weeks, and compare the results, I invite you to do so.

Hehe, thanks for the invitation; if I would have an accurate measuring device (however, you probably have to go to an extremely advanced laboratory for that) and could reasonable afford the time and the plane-ticket, I would definitely consider it. I would be honored to meet you.

But the whole point I am trying to make is that, just because you don't understand some things and someone has a few practical tips it is not very 'intelligent' (in your definition) to hand over so much authority to such a person. Just because he helped you and you don't understand how you lose so much fat you are going to start sharing the bloodgas theory with people.

I think the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST problem with so-called 'lightworkers' is, is that they don't understand true science very well and that they use certain ridicilous arguments (like "I didn't consume any gas-producing foods and I produce a lot of gas, so the gas must be coming out of my cells, so the blood gas theory might very well be true" (a lot of people would say "so the blood gas theory is true", but fortunately you are not saying that) where the whole notion of "gas-producing foods" is wrong. Gas gets produced FOR CERTAIN when the food doesn't move through the bowels and starts to rot. Probably every single food. Without fiber this effect will come into play very soon because the juice doesn't move through with the bulk of the fiber.).

Lightworkers could be incredible more effective in this world if they wouldn't use all bogus arguments and build whole theories on that. It's so easy for people defending the medical model to ridicule the raw food movement, just because the majority of this movement doesn't think very well and start to believe in these bogus theories as if they are actually true. And in that way people like Matt Monarch are screwing it up for the rest of us, no matter how positive his intentions are.

[MasterD]

Hi Steve,

I read your article:

Musings on Reality, the Scientific Method, and the Cure for Dandruff

I now understand your motivation about your path a bit more and it's true that the scientific method has it's limit, but one of it's attributes is that is has predictable value. No-one understands quantum mechanics, but you can 'do it' and you can make certain predictions with it, that happen to be incredible accurate.

So in that sense, the blood gas theory might be regarded as a scientific theory, if it has any quantifiable predictable value, which it doesn't.

[rjani]

Hi Steve, I've also read the aricle MasterD mentioned, and this line caught my attention (sorry for the off):

"But if every human being were to shift their beliefs about reality, then I suspect reality would change to accommodate our beliefs (including the past, present, and future)."


I'm curious if there is such a thing that "stronger consciousness". I mean, is it possible that only one man can have such a strong belief to influence reality in a way that he modifies the reality for a group of others as well, but without even physically communicating with them? I mean, not changing their beliefs with persuasion or something like that.

[ant333]

Hey Steve,

From what i've read over the years, i wonder what you think about this.

Wouldn't the juice easily convert to energy? and sugars?

Juice seems to ferment quickly outside of the body. Would it not do the same inside, and form gas?

I'm thinking about candida, and how people are advised to watch how much fruit juice they consume.

Any possible links to these areas and the symptoms your going thru? It seems one HELL of a detox.

One book i recommend is 'the tao of health, sex & longevity' by daniel reid. He goes into length about fasting, raw foods, colonic, etc.

Amazon.com: The Tao of Health, Sex, and Longevity: A Modern Practical Guide to the Ancient Way (Fireside Books (Fireside)): Daniel Reid: Books

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