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Old 10-10-2008, 12:04 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I sometimes wonder whether what you say online could potentially be used against you, either directly or by twisting your words. Therefore, your candid stories about your past, how you stole, pillaged and plundered, is inspirational in a sense. I guess you can't be put away for things you've done a long time ago. Just don't try to run for president!
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As for your "humanity as a single entity" argument, I often thought about that too, and try to view it in that light. However, it brings up too many issues to think about and gets complicated. I try to compare it to my own cells and that which I feel to be "me"; how their goals and actions may or may not be aligned with "mine"; how my goals and actions may or may not be aligned with theirs etc...

The bottom line is that, in the long run, in aggregate, it appears that certain behaviors -such as cooperation, support, service, etc- are rewarded, but in my opinion, this has less to do with the higher consciousness (humanity in this case), and more with the general principles in operation at all levels in the universe. "Life" seems to favor enrichment, growth and the expression of various possibilities. Humanity on the other hand doesn't always seem to care about these principles.

Looking at our past, observing how some of the most brilliant, productive, original and contributive minds of humanity were treated during their lifetimes tells me that humanity itself -if there is indeed such a higher-level consciousness- is not a very aware, developed one; akin to a human being who is ignorant of the effects of his smoking despite the fact that his cells are crying out for help and begging him to stop! It appears that it takes a very long time before the higher-up consciousness gets to the same level of maturity as its constituents. Sometimes I can see how the cells of our bodies act more nobly than we do.

So the goal of serving humanity is actually beyond receiving recognition for the work you do. If history is any guidance, chances are, your true contributions won't be acknowledged and rewarded until long after you've departed from this planet (due to being ahead of your time). You always emphasize that money is a social construct and I strongly agree. It flows based on where society wants it to flow, but society is not always aligned with that which is most beneficial to itself.

The reason I wrote all this is to just point out that the consciousness of a possible higher-level entity we refer to as "humanity", first of all, may not exist at all; and secondly, even if it does, may not be aware of its own problems; and even if it is, maybe not be totally capable of dealing with them. So, the more people think "well, the higher consciousness is superior, therefore it will surely find a way out of its problems on its own", the less of a chance it has to do so. The fact that there are those who are fighting for its well-being whether they are rewarded for their efforts or not is a good sign that the patient may have a chance, but the darkside seems to be on the winning side at the moment.

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Old 10-10-2008, 01:18 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Some great points, Steve. Excellent timing for me personally.

The 3 mindsets you explained really resonated with my path of growth. When I first got into personal development, it was out of a self-centered desire. Fortunately, this mindset allowed me to cultivate power.

I've spent a few years in neutrality now and it's only been in the last 6 months or so that I've sought to come into greater alignment with truth and love. My primary focus now is on internalizing the oneness mindset.
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Steve what a timely post. Synchronicty. I'm finding in just about every job I've had there is a strong propensity for people not to seek oneness; because it requires a level of honesty which people are afraid off. For myself I've realized that if you seek to stand for the higher good then the people of the dark will feel threatened and, for example, in the work place make it hard for you to do your most effective work. If the person is not strong enough to reflect your energy, they begin to sabotage you in other ways: not helping you with projects, treating you unequally, even acting abusive. I've been working for over 40 years and I've yet to find a work enviorment that is healthy with people of the light. I actually have given up so much energy over this. I guess I have not meditated on this enough to become more resolved that I need to leave the workplace at some time and become more independent. There are days when I'm so tired and feel like psychic vampires have taken every ounce of energy. I deal with people who hate each other and gossip; yet pretend to like each other and compensate by socializing and lots of small talk. And I'm willing to face that I have contributed to this problem and thus my life is a reflection with some darkness in myself. Anyway, thanks for letting me vent and I look forward to hearing from others.
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Steve what a timely post. Synchronicty. I'm finding in just about every job I've had there is a strong propensity for people not to seek oneness; because it requires a level of honesty which people are afraid off. For myself I've realized that if you seek to stand for the higher good then the people of the dark will feel threatened and, for example, in the work place make it hard for you to do your most effective work. If the person is not strong enough to reflect your energy, they begin to sabotage you in other ways: not helping you with projects, treating you unequally, even acting abusive. I've been working for over 40 years and I've yet to find a work enviorment that is healthy with people of the light. I actually have given up so much energy over this. I guess I have not meditated on this enough to become more resolved that I need to leave the workplace at some time and become more independent. There are days when I'm so tired and feel like psychic vampires have taken every ounce of energy. I deal with people who hate each other and gossip; yet pretend to like each other and compensate by socializing and lots of small talk. And I'm willing to face that I have contributed to this problem and thus my life is a reflection with some darkness in myself. Anyway, thanks for letting me vent and I look forward to hearing from others.
Hay House seems to have a very loving and supportive work environment -- lots of high energy, caring people. And I think their company is like 80% female.

If the environment you're in is a mismatch for you, leave it. No point in remaining loyal to self-punishment. It will only drag you down.

Energy vampires may come into your life, but if you continue to associate with them, whose choice is that? Yours of course.
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I think simpleberry aptly described public high school.

Even the most "popular" of kids have everyone talking behind their back about negative this or that or such nonsense. Fortunately, it doesn't matter much.
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I stumbled across this from Tony Robbins...

I think it's highly relevant to "Serving"

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Thanks for this good post that points the strong link between serving others and oneness.
In my experience, it's only after grasping the concept of subjective reality and of the unity of creation that I understood why it's so natural to help others.

When someone helps someone else, it's just a part of the body helping another part of the body. So from a certain point of view there's no giver and receiver, it's just consciousness helping itself to grow.

A few remarks about oneness :

-I don't believe it is possible to be a darkworker and experience reality from the view of oneness. It just doesn't make sense at all. Darkworkers must have a kind of solipsism interpretation of oneness that's slightly different from the lightworkers biaised description of the article.

-This article emphasizes on the fact that oneness = serving humanity, but it's more than just humanity, it also includes everything else including things and creatures we can perceive and probably things and creatures we can't perceive. It's everything.

-I noticed when I hold the mindset of oneness that I instantly get into the "present moment awareness" described by Tolle. When I first discovered the Power of Now, I thought that his present moment thing was deriving from the idea of oneness and so I found a bit useless to focus on the consequence instead of the cause. (But now I see his approach makes some pretty good points ok )
Since consciousness is all there is, time is an illusion created inside consciousness. Even saying "present moment" is relative to past and future so it's even more than present moment, it just...is. So I found that being present and the oneness mindset are very closely related.

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As for your "humanity as a single entity" argument, I often thought about that too, and try to view it in that light. However, it brings up too many issues to think about and gets complicated. I try to compare it to my own cells and that which I feel to be "me"; how their goals and actions may or may not be aligned with "mine"; how my goals and actions may or may not be aligned with theirs etc...

The bottom line is that, in the long run, in aggregate, it appears that certain behaviors -such as cooperation, support, service, etc- are rewarded, but in my opinion, this has less to do with the higher consciousness (humanity in this case), and more with the general principles in operation at all levels in the universe. "Life" seems to favor enrichment, growth and the expression of various possibilities. Humanity on the other hand doesn't always seem to care about these principles.

Looking at our past, observing how some of the most brilliant, productive, original and contributive minds of humanity were treated during their lifetimes tells me that humanity itself -if there is indeed such a higher-level consciousness- is not a very aware, developed one; akin to a human being who is ignorant of the effects of his smoking despite the fact that his cells are crying out for help and begging him to stop! It appears that it takes a very long time before the higher-up consciousness gets to the same level of maturity as its constituents. Sometimes I can see how the cells of our bodies act more nobly than we do.

So the goal of serving humanity is actually beyond receiving recognition for the work you do. If history is any guidance, chances are, your true contributions won't be acknowledged and rewarded until long after you've departed from this planet (due to being ahead of your time). You always emphasize that money is a social construct and I strongly agree. It flows based on where society wants it to flow, but society is not always aligned with that which is most beneficial to itself.

The reason I wrote all this is to just point out that the consciousness of a possible higher-level entity we refer to as "humanity", first of all, may not exist at all; and secondly, even if it does, may not be aware of its own problems; and even if it is, maybe not be totally capable of dealing with them. So, the more people think "well, the higher consciousness is superior, therefore it will surely find a way out of its problems on its own", the less of a chance it has to do so. The fact that there are those who are fighting for its well-being whether they are rewarded for their efforts or not is a good sign that the patient may have a chance, but the darkside seems to be on the winning side at the moment.
I think the main reason why darkworkers are so prevalent in this world is the fact that they work so well together. The reason being all of them have the same agenda; power through whatever means. This can be money, war, conquest etc. Thus all the great empires in the past have been run by darkworkers. Lightworkers on the other hand want to help but they want to help in different ways. Perhaps one wants to help the environment, others want to stop poverty. Thus it is harder to coordinate a unified goal and they are more likely to be scattered.
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Speaking as someone who wishes to become a Darkworker, I actually found a lot of inspiration in this article!

At first I thought I wouldn't resonate with it. And as I read it, I got the feeling that it was going to put Darkworkers down, well I was right.

However I would like to challenge this idea. A Darkworker, in my mind, so not someone who totally disregards others feelings. I have a great respect for others feelings. Why? Well because I want to live in a world that's happy and healthy, because then it means my life is happy and healthy, its a totally selfish feeling, I don't care what other people think about it really, if the world is a nice place to live, if it becomes safe to walk around cities late at night, and my children get a good, unbiased and relevant education, then I am happy.

Am I a Lightworker for that? I don't think so. If my life was going to be easier if I destroyed everyone else, then I would do it. But I don't think it will be...
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Speaking as someone who wishes to become a Darkworker, I actually found a lot of inspiration in this article!

At first I thought I wouldn't resonate with it. And as I read it, I got the feeling that it was going to put Darkworkers down, well I was right.

However I would like to challenge this idea. A Darkworker, in my mind, so not someone who totally disregards others feelings. I have a great respect for others feelings. Why? Well because I want to live in a world that's happy and healthy, because then it means my life is happy and healthy, its a totally selfish feeling, I don't care what other people think about it really, if the world is a nice place to live, if it becomes safe to walk around cities late at night, and my children get a good, unbiased and relevant education, then I am happy.

Am I a Lightworker for that? I don't think so. If my life was going to be easier if I destroyed everyone else, then I would do it. But I don't think it will be...
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It's a wonderful picture you paint there in the Oneness exercise, so in theory, can it really happen to live in a world completely "ruled" by lightworkers and leave in peace and happiness?

But common sense and social conditioning (probably more of this) tells there must be a balance between the two poles.
If not, it seems equally possible to polarize the whole world (maybe even the universe?) in one way, thus either making a lightworker paradise or a group (or maybe even one) darkworker(s) taking over the whole world.
Is that really possible?

Either way, interesting possibilities...
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I think the main reason why darkworkers are so prevalent in this world is the fact that they work so well together. The reason being all of them have the same agenda; power through whatever means. This can be money, war, conquest etc. Thus all the great empires in the past have been run by darkworkers. Lightworkers on the other hand want to help but they want to help in different ways. Perhaps one wants to help the environment, others want to stop poverty. Thus it is harder to coordinate a unified goal and they are more likely to be scattered.
It is interesting that you say this because they are supposed to be self-centered which would imply that they shouldn't be good at working together. But I guess they are able to put their differences aside long enough to make some headway. OTOH, they keep getting ever closer to bringing the entire system down which is no good to anyone.
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This was a beautiful message, thank you Steve. You are a very talented writer.

Oneness hasn't motivated me to take massive action but I like to do small thoughtful things and love and care for other people very much.
Sometimes it brings tears to my eyes how much I love people and everything in the universe good or bad ^ ^

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In order for the world to care about you, you must care about the world...
Well said, but I wonder, can this always be done?
Take someone who's become so disconnected from his heart that he's able to watch others suffer and not care (or maybe even take pleasure from it). He can force himself to help others, but can he force himself to care about them? Or does caring eventually just "happen" as you begin to help other people?
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In order for the world to care about you, you must care about the world... Well said, but I wonder, can this always be done?
Or does it even always work as one would expect?

As I said earlier, history is filled with individuals who made excellent contributions to humanity, yet they went unrecognized in their own lifetimes, died alone (some were hard to get along with) and penniless (didn't care about finances) in some cases.

Based on this, you can come to the conclusion that the world doesn't really give a damn... at least not until it matures to the point where it gets the contributor, but then it's too late. That's why we erect statues, right?

On the opposite side, money, fame and recognition aren't good indicators of value. Value, especially when money is involved, is a social construct. It aligns with people's goals and desires, not with what is right or needed in the absolute sense. That explains why true contributors go unrecognized until the rest catch up to them.

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Read especially the last section, "Don’t strive for fame in your own lifetime".
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Wow, just read this blog post and did this exercise. I had read the chapter in the PDSP book, but hadn't done the exercise yet. It felt so incredibly peaceful to imagine the world being in Oneness.

One of the awesome consequences if we truly lived in a world where everyone acted with Oneness is how friendly and wonderful air travel would become - no security lines, boarding the plane whenever you wish, everyone smiling and being friendly.
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seeker: it's amazing isn't it. It brings a tear to my eye just thinking about it.

There would be no need for guns anymore, accidental and fatal shootings would become a thing of the past. There'd be no need for locking your doors and windows because theft would be gone, as it's replaced with respect for other people. The whole police, and justice system would be disolved overnight as people sorted out their disputes in person in a very diplomatic manner. Prices would be fair, people would earn what their work was worth. Companies would focus on provided the best for their customers, in fact best for everyone on the planet, instead of always looking for the bottom dollar. People would stop being greedy and start only using enough for just themselves. Poverty, disease and famine would, over time, disappear as the emphasis focusses more on actually solving the problems rather than the money they would cost. Scientific progress would focus on how to make our live's better instead of working out how to make more money, or how to build bigger guns. I could go on.

This isn't some magical utopian future, but a possible result of oneness being spread through the world. These are things that could happen, if everyone on the world wanted it together. I think the only thing stopping us, is our own selfishness.
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Yeah it sounds wonderful doesn't it. Something else I was thinking too is that under a world where everyone behaved in a Oneness manner, there'd be no spam in this forum, and no personal attacks in which moderators have to step in and clean up things.

This exercise was interesting in that soon after I did the exercise, and posted it in here, I could sense my view and attitude for a while toward others having a higher level of oneness then before the exercise. Of course I was nowhere near the oneness Steve talks about that he experiences, but it was at a higher state then I previously was, at least for a few hours. Quite interesting and lovely.
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Wow that was a very lightworker biased article, but i liked it. The article makes it look like the lightworker path is superior to the DW one; maybe that was steve's intention, though.

I'm glad steve has covered LW/DW again, many thought he had abandoned it.

I think that the DW path is as valid as LW, neither is superior to the other, both can give the person what he wants.


I'm not going to drop the DW path, not in the long term either i hope. But good luck to all.
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i think the lightworker path is much harder, the curren state of the world is totally made for "dorkers", the main reason i want to go lightworker is because to me its real while the dorker path seems just fake, just dont wanna go with fear.
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i think the lightworker path is much harder, the curren state of the world is totally made for "dorkers", the main reason i want to go lightworker is because to me its real while the dorker path seems just fake, just dont wanna go with fear.
Why does it seem fake to you?
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Something that doesn't resonate with your true self seems/feels fake. Doesn't mean it is, it just feels that way.
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I consider myself to practice oneness everyday. I may not go out of my way every time I can to help, but I do my best.

I think the real value in oneness isn't how you necessarily act, but how you think, how you feel. People feel that positive energy from when your happy, or friendly, or open etc.

If you act reasonably like everyone else, but you are a completely open person inside, love close to unconditionally, feel as if we are all connected, and feel genuinely friendly, I feel, and have noticed, that people can sense this and develop similar values/ actions.

Lemme know what you guys think.
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