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I made my suggestion, and I included something along the lines of take it or leave it. So there you go. Hakuna Matata my friend! | ||
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Hi everyone. I've been reading Steve's blog for around a year and been an occasional “lurker” on the forums. This is my story: Despite having a reasonably highly paid job I never seemed to have any spare money, always scraping by. One day a Google search brought me to Steve’s blog (I forget what I searched for) and I was very impressed by the honesty and integrity of the blog. One post that really stood out to me was a post about providing value in life. I took a long hard look at the way I was living and realized that despite earning a high wage I was doing as little as I could get away with in my job and living with a scarcity mindset. I gradually changed my thinking and decided to give as much value as I could in everything I did (not just in my day job but all areas of my life) and also became open to abundance in all areas of my life. This took a while and is still a journey I’m on. The result was that my job income didn’t really change much but I found myself no longer short of money, my finances were in much better shape, I believe just from a change of attitude to providing value and believing abundance was available to me things got better. Since then I have more financial income in from other streams and I’ve had more money that I’ve ever had before. Other parts of my life are more abundant too. I can understand what Steve is saying, the value he provided by just that one post changed my life a great deal and the knock on effect for my family, friends and work colleagues has also been significant. The more value you provide, along with being open to abundance, the more money you are going to attract. That’s what changed things for me anyway. |
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I've never met Daniel Negreanu, but I think he lives in Summerlin if I'm not mistaken, which is the same part of NW Las Vegas where Erin and I live. I know he plays golf nearby. I think he'd be an interesting person to meet... maybe for an interview for the blog if nothing else. | |
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You can go deeper (provide a lot of value to a few people) or broader (provide a little value to a lot of people). Most people unfortunately settle for providing a small amount of value to a small amount of people, never learning how to fully utilize their strengths to provide more value, serve more people, or both. A person teaching basic skills to a class of 20 people doesn't have much leverage, so the pay reflects it. A person teaching basic skills to 20,000 people can earn a lot more, as can a person teaching advanced skills to 20 people. A person who can teach advanced skills to 20,000 people will queue up a lot of social debt. | |
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But if a kid doesn't learn basic arithmetic, he's going to have a hard time learning calculus, and an even harder time learning advanced astro-physics. My point, I guess, is that we under-value basic skills. Somebody has to teach them, and not everybody can learn from a book or a television show as effectively as they can from a teacher. In other words, your blog only works because everyone who comes to it can read - and thus assimilate the information. And the only reason everyone can read is because a bunch of primary teachers sat us down and went "A is for Apple...." a long time ago. | |
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Money is attached to social value, not intrinsic value. Deal with it. One of the best ways to "deal with it" is to design your life such that you generate lots of social value from your own intrinsic value. For example, I happen to be a very growth-oriented person. But so what? Nobody will pay me for working on my growth. However, by sharing my growth experiences and lessons with others, I convert intrinsic value to social value, so I'm able to generate substantial income just being who I am. A very loving, heart-centered math teacher with 20 students is probably under-utilizing her gifts. She can do a lot more good by finding a way to share her love with more people. Dr. Barbara DeAngelis used to teach meditation workshops to tiny audiences. But she can make $1M per year from teaching relationship skills to larger groups. Jack Canfield used to earn $20K per year as an educator. He learned he could make 10x that and more by teaching educators (more leverage). At first he wrote and sold books for teachers. Then he learned to broaden his audience to encompass more people. Should he have remained a teacher for $20K per year, or was it better for him to expand beyond that? |
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As far as I know, there's a significant shortage of school teachers. And firefighters. They might be jobs that don't require as much training as a NASA physicist, but I would think they are more needed. Without those, there would likely be no NASA, or other big things.
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Firefighters, I don't know. That's a whole different scenario. Dangerous, and lousy work hours. But as far as NASA, once again, it's easier for someone to become a grade school teacher than to become an astrophysicst or engineer. No matter how valuable primary school teachers are, it's still a lower-level scale of skill compared to engineering. | |
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Teachers taught me pretty much squat. In fact, I kind of feel I would have been better off without teachers and school since I would have had the freedom to naturally play to my strengths as I tend to do when I'm left alone to my own devices. Not that school wasn't educational for me, but in terms of actually being effective, I think I could have done more on my own (whether I would have is a different story, but the potential was definitely there; I think I would have done what I'm doing now if I was just left on my own, just earlier. That would have been a good thing! At least, it seems so from this perspective). Anyway, my point is: when trying to understand Steve's concepts and you're trying to "acid test" them, you need to have examples that hold up from many scenarios. My one example kind of breaks yours, so you need something more holistic. I've acid tested Steve's value concept myself, and it passes the test. The concept remains, and is pretty solid. | |
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To shed some light on this situation for those interested: All my various patterning tells me that Bristol is an accuracy seeker. Some may call him a skeptic, but no, that may not be quite accurate, although accuracy-seeking does lead to what may seem to be skepticism (it threw me at first, too). I had a discussion longer than any of you care to know about with a hoard of skeptics and people who wanted to kill my ideas a while ago. Suffice to say this is all textbook talent stuff, and if you give me someone like Bristol, I bet you'll find talents that relate to being drawn to simplicity. On the other hand, people like me break when they see simplicity. I say, "ok, it's simple, but is it comprehensive?" While accuracy-seekers may see complexity within simplicity, I see simplicity within complexity. It's all extremely relative, and the best thing to do when dealing with people of vastly different talents it to acknowledge that you literally speak another conceptual language and see the world differently and go do what is productive. You will never come to a consensus, and if you do, it will be an uneasy one. It's kind of sad that people can't agree on some things, but it's also amazing to know that we are such specialists, and there is so much we can do with such intense specialisation. Unfortunately our world kind of standardises everything (we need more Individualisers!), but it's getting better slowly (which does nothing for my Activator talent When I make 40 Twitter posts and people can view my Twitter post archives, I'll be able to say "for more strengths and talents info, see my Twitter profile." It may sound like I'm speaking another language when I speak of things such as "Activator" and "Individualisation", and honestly, that's what I'm doing. My hope is that I can only confuse everyone as much as people's lack of specificness and comprehensiveness confuses me. (Oh and in case it wasn't obvious, there's some humour somewhere in there among all those words. Maybe I need more emoticons) | |
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I'm glad that creating social value turned into lots of money for you but that doesn't make it a universally applicable rule. You should perhaps not be so belittling, especially when it's you who is oversimplifying. Maybe some people aren't getting what they deserve. Last edited by Keith; 08-17-2008 at 02:25 PM. | |
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I never taught my youngest son to read, and he reads very well. Learning is an organic process when it's allowed to be. | |
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What would be the rules of your game? How would you know (milestones, etc.) how the game is progressing? Interestingly, I can see how receiving money and people being entertained would be really fun markers for how well you are doing in enhancing the social value of universal principles. Do you accept that? Or would your markers be different? It seems to me that Steve himself is playing a game that looks something like yours -- sharing the value of aligning one's self with principles he sees as universal -- Love, Truth, and Power. I love the way he's playing his game -- I find myself being a willing and joyful avatar in that game, among others -- and again, part of the fun is the abundance (including money) and entertainment I experience as part of the game. | |
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Break your own damn paradigm, and accept that just because YOU had a certain experience, doesn't make it applicable to EVERYONE. Everyone is unique, and everyone learns a different way. At the moment, superficial teaching via indirect means is vastly overvalued, and direct, one-on-one learning to people who wouldn't otherwise have it is undervalued. Quote:
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Kids need to be taught to read. Where their parents can't, or won't, a system has to be developed for them. Not everyone loves reading, but it is such an incredibly valuable skill that everyone should be taught it. You can't really teach reading/comprehension in groups of 60 or 100 people. You need individual one-on-one attention for it to work properly. Teachers - the system of teachers - generate an awful lot of value to society. But the difference between $20k a year and $1 million is huge - ridiculously unbalanced, in fact. Yes, one might generate more social value than the other - but not THAT much more. | ||||||
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The thing is, teaching someone to read is a relatively low-skilled job in our society. Highly valuable, but low skill. Somebody's mom can teach her kids. Probably somebody's older sister or brother can. Volunteers at the Literacy Council can. Anybody who can read well has a pretty good chance at being able to teach a kid to read, and most people in our society can read reasonably well. This means the pay level is going to be relatively low.
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I used reading as an example. Primary School teachers also teach music, a foreign language (French in my school), art, maths, spelling, writing, carpentry, basic mechanics, basic science.... the list goes on. In addition, school teachers work extremely long hours - starting at 8.30am, and usually marking papers long into the night. Many take on second jobs during the school holidays as they can't afford not to. Not that long ago, the labour of a slave was valued by society as being worth nothing. Was that 'okay'? Was that something they 'just had to deal with'? Equally, not that long ago, women were paid less than men for the same job. Society valued them less than men, and therefore paid them less. Just because society places a certain value on something, doesn't make it something we have to agree with. We CAN change society, since we are all individuals making a contribution to it. But we can only change society if we consciously question and criticize its values and norms. Certain jobs in this society are significantly undervalued. Other jobs are stupidly over-valued. As an example, they did a social experiment where they removed CEO's from the running of their businesses. Despite their huge bonus and self-perceived 'worth', the business ran just fine with any random person in their position.Look at someone like the President of Northern Rock - he presided over one of the worst financial debacles in recent history, lost many people's life savings, ran his bank into bankruptcy, was then bailed out by the government and still got paid an astronomical salary and bonus. Was he 'worth' that? No. Does a teacher produce more value to society than him? Absolutely. So the system is flawed, and the amount of money you earn is not representative of how much social value you produce. Last edited by InterfaceLeader; 08-18-2008 at 01:08 AM. | |
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But, the market pays according to supply and demand. Finding someone to teach elementary skills to children is simply easier than finding someone who can effectively design a spacecraft. | |
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WHAT THE HELL is the point of goals if it doesnt excit you, it feels just normal ?? But i agree with the concept but i cant fit it into things, in ACIM it says that miracles dont dont bring a state of AWE and deep gatiude Last edited by supertom; 08-18-2008 at 08:55 AM. |
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The Law of Attraction (which seems to be influencing some positions here) can lead adherents to believe that if someone's getting a raw deal then they must deserve it or have chosen it. Objectively, reality just isn't that individualistic. Sure, we have some individual control over our destiny, but other people's actions impact on us too. (The balance of the two varies significantly by circumstance). Steve has stated that Subjective Reality is just one of many possible lenses - and a particularly empowering one. But it is not without its limitations and it's far from all-encompassing. Just because some people have success with one approach under certain circumstances doesn't mean the same applies to everyone under different circumstances. | |
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This makes a lot of sense. I noticed my mindset when I wake up every morning and I'm broke is: "How can I make money?" When I'm focusing on "how can I make money?", I am looking for more ways to attract money into my life. Now I realize when I wake up with $500 dollars in the bank, my mindset shifted to: "What bills do I pay?" "What can I spend my new found wealth on?" It's like at $500, I am now Donald Trump and my life is complete. There's no need to attract any money into my life. I need to have large sums of money in my life and at the same time ask myself "How can I make more money?". |
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