Insights on darkwork

[Theo77]

Hello everybody,

I haven't posted here in a few months. Back when I was posting here, I was doing a "30 day Dark worker trial" I just thought I would share some of my insights.

I have decided that I don't want to polarize this way. I feel that I got far enough to understand what all it entails. I agree with Steve Pavlina's posts about the subject for the most part. But I would just say that they are at an introductory level, kind of like "cliff notes." To get deeper you kind of have to look into it on your own. But in principle I think he has it mostly right.

My impression though is that probably nobody that posts regularly on this form is actually a polarized darkworker. I don't think this forum would appeal to them. I mean what is the purpose here? To help each other and have a sense of an online community?

That's not darkworking. Probably the posters here that think they are darkworkers are integrating their "shadow." Which is a good thing to do. Because otherwise you project your shadow onto others.

But onto darkworking -these are my insights into what it actually involves.

The first thing you have to do to polarize as a darkworker is close your heart chakra. Your heart chakra is an energy vortex that connects you to the Love that permeates all of creation. This is the love of God, or call it the "Great Spirit," "the One" the One, whatever.

When you shut off your heart chakra you are still connected to this Love that permeates eveything, God still loves you, but you can no longer feel it. Its no longer part of your reality.

So you feel really lonely when you do this. That is your negative Karma you incur for taking this spiritual "short cut" to growth. It is a shortcut. Because you no longer have to achieve balance of your heart chakra and other chakras. Also your heart chakras connect you to other people's hearts. Growing spiritually as a light worker involves harmonizing with other people and living things. This is how empathy works.

Dark workers block all this out this out.

So what does love mean for a Dark worker? Don't Darkworker's love themselves as Steve has said? Yes and no.

The love of self as a darkworker is not through the heart chakra but through the ego. Now, if you study much Eastern religion, you find out that the ego is actually a construct. Its an illusion. Its not the real you. Its a delusion.

But here is why polarized darkworkers are more highly conscious: Everyone has an ego. Everyone is a bit deluded. Darkworkers have made a choice to go with the ego and become dedicated to growing this way. Most people are simply confused about it. But ultimately darkworking is a dead end. But initially its a short cut to growth because you quickly get ahead of most people on the palent that are unpolarized.

Now here is the another major drawback to darkworking. There is a negative spiritual hierarchy. You can't just free lance as a darkworker. You might be motivated by selfishness at first and think Lightwork is slavery because its about serving others, but as soon as you polarize, you get sucked into the negative spiritual hierarchy.

Guess where you fit in? Do you think you will be fitted into it ahead of advanced entities that have been playing this game for millenia? No.

You start at the bottom. So your freedom is actually more limited as a dark worker. You have cut yourself off from the awareness of the love of God and the organizing "force" that takes over is really the strength of the ego of the being at the pinacle of the Spiritual hierarchy. So as a darkworker your life purpose is all about fulfilling the ego fantasy of another. Call him Lucifer.

So how do you work your way up the hierarchy?

Basically through a form of spiritual vampirism. That is how you advance. You weave a web of lies and trap the consciousness of unpolarized people and also you recruit new darkworkers.

I have limited time to spend on line. I am willing to discuss this further, expound on details. But I am 100% convinced of the basics of how this works.

I also would say that subjective reality fits in with darkworking rather than light working. but thats another topic.

[Theo77]

Another quick thing to add:

Yes Darkworkers are highly conscious and from a really highly advanced perspective, there is no polarity only Unity, so darkworkers aren't evil.

But polarity exists at this level we are at now here on Earth in the third density. So from the perspective of normal human beings, yes its evil.

[Sam988]

First, i also have been into DW for more than a year now, ever since Steve wrote the "For Love of Evil" article. And yes the concept of polarity can be quite complex and i believe that it is whatever each person sees it as, because each person must use it the way she thinks that it will best benefit her.

Now to the actual post. It's going to be a bit of a mess because i'm going to make random points, won't bother with quotes.


Why i post around here? It's mentally challenging, and i love good discussions. We all benefit from posting, so making a post is not about "giving away" only. I certainly wouldn't post anymore if i got no benefit whatsoever.

Well you approached the darkworking choice from a spiritual POV, but i prefer to view it as a more practical thing, ignoring all the spiritual stuff, that i don't even believe in.


As for not feeling empathy for others, i REALLY think that a lot of it comes from birth, meaning the person can't just "turn empathy off", although it may be possible for a while but the person will eventually break. More rational people tend to feel less empathy, more emotional/feeling people tend to feel more empathy. All comes from birth, although it might be possible to change it if the person goes through some very heavy stuff through her life.
I have always been in the "less empathy" part, so DW reasonated really easy with me.


I'm sure you've heard of the MBTI typology. I think that most people who are "Feelers" will be better off with lightworking while most "Thinking" people could very well adapt with DW.


Here's an MBTI test, i think it's the best on the net: Free Jung Personality Test

Here's a list of all MBTI types. TypeLogic Home Page


So basically i think that all Feelers (ESFJ, ISFJ, INFJ, ENFJ, INFP, ENFP, ESFP, ISFP) are more inclined to LW. And the Thinkers (ESTJ, ISTJ, ESTP, ISFP, ENTJ, INTJ, ENTP, INTP) are more inclined to DW. Of course this is not the rule, just a tendency to do better at DW/LW, if the proper types chose to polarize.


One more thing i would like to add since i've already gotten into it, i think that the NTs "Intuitive Thinkers" ("Rationals" - ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ) types are the most prone to DW better.

[Theo77]

Well, Its a lot deeper than Myer's briggs typology. But in terms of inherent tendencies, you may have a point.

I would say Darkworkers tend toward being left brained and analytical, but that is not to say that left brained people are darkworkers. But being "in your head" like a typical INTP does tend to cut you off from your emotions.

So if an INTP or INTJ decided to polarize as a darkworker it would possibly be easier for them than say an ENFP. I don't know if the "feeling" aspect is "touch feely" though.

But being introverted and analytical is not a "dark" characteristic in my opinion. Many highly Machiavellian trait people are extroverts.

If you are intelligent there is probably more of a tendency to be "intellectual" in orientation. If you are a predatory type person, you have better success if you are more intelligent than your prey. So probably a Thinker would have more advantages in being a darkworker. Because darkworkers have to live by their wits in a power game.

But feeling through the heart chakra is a type of intelligence. Its not just sentimental warm fuzzy stuff. Its a way to "Feel the truth" and therefore be able to trust and thus relax and be able to use your natural abilities more effectively. You produce fewer stress hormones and therefore your intellectual capacities function more efficiently.

If your heart chakra is engaged, you don't rely on "blind faith" because you actually connect with the divine through your physical body. This is something Darkworkers don't have access to. (by their own choice)

[Theo77]

If anything, I think the tendency that lends itself to darkworking, is a tendency toward external control. Wanting to control others.

I also think Creativity lends itself more toward light work.

This may sound ironic because a lot of creative types like artists and muscicians are often seen as rebels. But that's only because the Establishment is controlled by Dark workers.

In any creative industry the Darkworkers represent the money interests that have a parasitic relationship with the creative people that actually invent or create things.

Like a musician is controlled by a manager that manages a bunch of other singers and record company execs that don't create anything.

Engineers mostly work for big corporations that own the patents.

Darkworkers create bottlenecks, monopolies, things like that. Centralized command and control structures.

[Sam988]

I think that our opinions are mostly the same (the difference being that i don't care about the spiritual side) so i have nothing further to add for now, good posts.

[Theo77]

From what I have read it seems like you do understand what a dark worker is. So I take it back that "probably no one here is a dark worker."

All I know is that I didn't totally understand it when I was doing my trial and that reading some posts here it seems like there is a lot of Confusion, but I mostly agree with Steve Pavlina's posts on it.

I think if a materialistic person( as in a philosophical position) were a dark worker they wouldn't get into the spiritual side, but they could still be polarized.

I think there are Dark workers in to esoteric and mataphysical stuff, though.

[Theo77]

A couple quick things I disagree with:

The vegan analogies. I don't think veganism is associated neccesarily with light work and meat eating with darkwork.

I mean, yeah, Factory farms suck. I think we can all agree with that. But intensive agriculture has wreaked a lot of havoc on this planet as well. Also agricultural societies often participated in genocidal warfare against more peaceful hunter gatherer societies throughout history.

There can be a spiritual approach to hunting game animals. Native American hunters believed that success in hunting was a result of the spirit of the animal offering itself to the hunter. Life and death is a cycle.

Agricultural societies also lend themselves more to systems of centralized command and control. Cereal Grains can be stored at a central location by a hierarchy and doled out to the people to keep them dependant. That has been the historic use for it. It provides more calories per acre than hunting and allows larger standing armies.

Hunting societies have historically been more egalitarian. The food is spread all over the surrounding are and hard to monopolize. Its a life based on an economy of abundance.

[Theo77]

The other thing, is that the two aren't equivalent. I don't believe that Darkworkers can ultimately rise in levels of consciousness as high as lightworkers. They eventually reach a dead end and need to polarize to the light to go any higher. The ego delusion only takes you so far.

These might be seen as unfair, because in a way its a good short cut to take. Because you can rise faster as a Darkworker and then switch.

But you actually don't start from the bottom again.

The thing is God, or "the One" doesn't go by an "eye for an eye" mindset.

The negative Karma is not a "payback" awaiting Darkworkers. It starts from the get go. The negative Karma is cutting yourself off from experiencing Love.

[Akashic_Librarian]

I think, Theo, you are very mistaken as to what a Darkworker actually is. Really you've just described a low-consciousness person. Someone who uses the ego? What nonsense. A Darkworker doesn't use the ego, he transcends it just as much as a Lightworker, its not a dead end and it certainly doesn't come across as evil.

Honestly...you sound like an evangelist denouncing other religions as evil and depraved.

[Theo77]

Well one of us is obviously confused. Because what I have read of your comments here I totally disagree with you.

But I don't know if we have opposite opinions because I can't make head nor tails of anything you say. You don't ever seem to explain what you think Darkworking is. You seem to simply disagree with anyone who presents it in a negative context.

But anyway, No point in debating you in particular. I feel I have learned all I need to know in order to make decision to polarize.

If you want to think dark working is all about love and sunshine go right ahead.

[ProjectX]

Imo Darkworkers show their appreciation for life by helping themselves.
Lightworkers show appreciation by helping others.

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[Theo77]

Well if you sep back a little bit, Darkworkers are pawns. They actually build control networks, for entities more powerful then themselves.

You might think its all hedonistic and "carving your own path" but really its not.

There are rewards, but there is a higher intelligence behind darkwork beyond the individual.

I think One obstacle people have in understanding this is from organized religion, which presents it self as light working but many aspects of it are about control.

So if you rebel against that control structure, you may conclude you have gone over to the dark side. Not neccesarily true. God is actually really tolerant of all kinds of things, That's why God allows dark workers to exist.

Its a matter of free will.

[Theo77]

Helping yourself vs. helping others is about balance. Everyone needs to be assertive and establish boundaries and not be a martyr.

Dark work is about using other people. Being self sufficient is not the same as using other people.

If yu think using other people is bad. You probably don't really want to be a dark worker.

A dark worker would say that most people are weak and need to be taken advantage of because they can't take care of themselves.

Lightworking is about empowering people to be strong and fulfill their potential.

That's pretty much all I have to say. This thread is my effort to show what polarizing to the dark side looks like a little further down the path, than just a 30 day trial. Use your own discernment and come to your own conclusion.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Theo77

Well if you sep back a little bit, Darkworkers are pawns. They actually build control networks, for entities more powerful then themselves.

You might think its all hedonistic and "carving your own path" but really its not.

There are rewards, but there is a higher intelligence behind darkwork beyond the individual.

I think One obstacle people have in understanding this is from organized religion, which presents it self as light working but many aspects of it are about control.

So if you rebel against that control structure, you may conclude you have gone over to the dark side. Not neccesarily true. God is actually really tolerant of all kinds of things, That's why God allows dark workers to exist.

Its a matter of free will.

You can say the darkworker control structure is hierarchical, whilst a lightworker is more circular.


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[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by Theo77

Hello everybody,

My impression though is that probably nobody that posts regularly on this form is actually a polarized darkworker. I don't think this forum would appeal to them. I mean what is the purpose here? To help each other and have a sense of an online community?

Or register, soak up as much information as you can, compare it with what you already know, fine tune, move on. Rinse/Repeat next forum.

That's not darkworking. Probably the posters here that think they are darkworkers are integrating their "shadow." Which is a good thing to do. Because otherwise you project your shadow onto others.

I know I'm new here and perhaps may not 'understand' the proper definition of a Darkworker but I don't think Steve has the right idea. That or I'm thinking something entirely different from the definition of Darkworker and trying to compare the two as if they could match.

But onto darkworking -these are my insights into what it actually involves.

The first thing you have to do to polarize as a darkworker is close your heart chakra. Your heart chakra is an energy vortex that connects you to the Love that permeates all of creation. This is the love of God, or call it the "Great Spirit," "the One" the One, whatever.

Wouldn't you want to open it more? After all, if you're going to focus on yourself a lot and want to be bigger, better, and more powerful then you better have a LOT of love ready for yourself.

When you shut off your heart chakra you are still connected to this Love that permeates eveything, God still loves you, but you can no longer feel it. Its no longer part of your reality.

I could relate to that though I don't think something 'out there' is reaching towards me sending loving energies.

I don't really feel a sense of love that I -think- others do, either. I can maybe recall having the feeling over my lifetime no more times than the fingers on my hands. Granted, I'm still quite young; only just starting into 2/3 of my life expectancy.

So you feel really lonely when you do this. That is your negative Karma you incur for taking this spiritual "short cut" to growth. It is a shortcut. Because you no longer have to achieve balance of your heart chakra and other chakras. Also your heart chakras connect you to other people's hearts. Growing spiritually as a light worker involves harmonizing with other people and living things. This is how empathy works.

I stopped believing/fearing in Karma/punishment one day and things suddenly stopped 'going to hell' for me. I still don't love a lot of people or have a real concern for their well being, and yet I don't feel lonely. I really must be thinking of something other than a Light/Darkworker.

Dark workers block all this out this out.

So what does love mean for a Dark worker? Don't Darkworker's love themselves as Steve has said? Yes and no.

The love of self as a darkworker is not through the heart chakra but through the ego. Now, if you study much Eastern religion, you find out that the ego is actually a construct. Its an illusion. Its not the real you. Its a delusion.

But here is why polarized darkworkers are more highly conscious: Everyone has an ego. Everyone is a bit deluded. Darkworkers have made a choice to go with the ego and become dedicated to growing this way. Most people are simply confused about it. But ultimately darkworking is a dead end. But initially its a short cut to growth because you quickly get ahead of most people on the palent that are unpolarized.

This is why I don't agree Steve's label of a Darkworker.

Lightworkers immerse themselves in the world, seeing it as a true reality but a Darkworker wouldn't do so. In fact, they'd do their best to keep their mind out of that 'reality' and into their own inner one. With that said, a perfect Darkworker wouldn't be caught up in fears, ego or anything else just as a very good Lucid Dreamer wouldn't be caught up in a funky dreamworld...unless they wanted to.

Now here is the another major drawback to darkworking. There is a negative spiritual hierarchy. You can't just free lance as a darkworker. You might be motivated by selfishness at first and think Lightwork is slavery because its about serving others, but as soon as you polarize, you get sucked into the negative spiritual hierarchy.

Guess where you fit in? Do you think you will be fitted into it ahead of advanced entities that have been playing this game for millenia? No.

You start at the bottom. So your freedom is actually more limited as a dark worker. You have cut yourself off from the awareness of the love of God and the organizing "force" that takes over is really the strength of the ego of the being at the pinacle of the Spiritual hierarchy. So as a darkworker your life purpose is all about fulfilling the ego fantasy of another. Call him Lucifer.

This is starting to sound like an Ad&d game... Start as a Larvae or Dretch, move up to Vrock for a few millennium all the while plotting to backstab a few co-workers for the chance to become a Balor?

How about instead removing the word 'Light' and 'Dark but instead replace them with Outer and Inner. Get rid of good and evil definitions. They're useless anyway; They are just human concepts that imo really don't have much power at the 'higher' levels like you're referring to.

So then, the Outer worker sees that to grow he or she must help others. By helping others follow their dreams/ambitions, they will cause the world to flourish with beauty (ideas, creativity, etc..)

The Inner worker sees that to grow he or she must help themselves. By being an example of self-motivation, others will follow suit by building up their own inner worlds which in turn spreads like a virus.

So how do you work your way up the hierarchy?

By not seeing a hierarchy I have put myself past it and do not need to struggle against something I do not believe in.

Here's an experiment for you. Try removing as many beliefs as you can for one week. Seriously try it. Think of everything as meaningless; religion, culture, media, etc. You'll be amazed with how free you begin to feel after the first couple days.

Some may feel a little depressed [and that's their habits or 'ego' whining] but hey, it's only one week and if their beliefs/habits were really that important to their well-being then they'd hop back into them after the week was over...assuming they would still be alive or the same person by then.

Basically through a form of spiritual vampirism. That is how you advance. You weave a web of lies and trap the consciousness of unpolarized people and also you recruit new Darkworkers.

The majority of 'psychic vampires' I've met over the years could indeed be a perfect example of Steve's Darkworker except that they aren't really dissimilar to a mundane, abusive person.

Eg, the only difference between them and an abusive person who undermines and yells at another is that the 'vampire' waves their hands about [or whatever] going "OOoooOOoh I'm going to make you so stressed you feel exhausted."

One is using emotional blackmail, the other is potentially and silently messing up with someone's 'aura.'

I have limited time to spend on line. I am willing to discuss this further, expound on details. But I am 100% convinced of the basics of how this works.

I also would say that subjective reality fits in with darkworking rather than light working. but thats another topic.

I just don't really buy into this Darkworking concept. It seems like another label to make people feel 'better' or justified for the "crap in the world." Imo, both definitions of Light/Dark are similar only that one sounds and acts 'proper' in the spotlight while the other is "just plain cool" and looks all 'villainous'. At least, this is what I've picked up on Steve's blog and the impressions by some people in these forums.

[lifeforce]

Theo77, I admire what you did. No doubt it takes some heavy balls to polarize.

You paint a bad picture of darkworkers. You paint the picture that views a darkworker as someone who feels worse then unpolarized people. Yet, lightworkers like steve and erin say they'd rather be a darkworker than an unolarized person. And they say a darkworker feels very connected and very good about himself. Energetic, enthusiastic, ambitious, powerfull... But you're saying a darkworker feels worse than unpolarized people.

Now.. are you abseloutly SHURE that you went about it the right way? I mean... I've never read anything about closing your heart chacra to polarize as a darkworker. Not even darkworkers themselves who has polarized a long time ago. Do you feel that this shortcut was a bad choise? Do you feel the massive inflow was to big compared to your level of concsioussness? I read from Asmonday, creator of darkworkers.com , that if you do these kinds of exersizes to early in your development, the negative karma is too much to handle. Do you think this might have happened t you? Sort of like an inflow energy overload that fried your circuits?

I think that if a person polarizes too quickly and generates too much inflow or outflow, it'd turn out to be a bad experience. Things happen too fast to make smart choices. Some things should be done over time to learn by trial and error and experience. To find out what the smart thing to do is.

Alot of things suck in the beginning. Quitting coffe, becomming an early riser, learning t be good with women, sales, loosing weight, changing eating habits. It all pretty much sucks in the beginning. However, though it out for a while, and you reap the rewards when harvest season comes. Do things that are comfortable all the time, and you'll never really do anything worth mentioning.

Im not saying anything about good or evil, rght and wrong. Some things are just one of those things and somethings just are the way they are. Did anyone get any of that?

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by lifeforce

Now.. are you abseloutly SHURE that you went about it the right way? I mean... I've never read anything about closing your heart chacra to polarize as a darkworker. Not even darkworkers themselves who has polarized a long time ago. Do you feel that this shortcut was a bad choise? Do you feel the massive inflow was to big compared to your level of concsioussness? I read from Asmonday, creator of darkworkers.com , that if you do these kinds of exersizes to early in your development, the negative karma is too much to handle. Do you think this might have happened t you? Sort of like an inflow energy overload that fried your circuits?

Interesting, short of Steve's site I had never heard of Darkworkers before. I gave a quick look over the description there and it appears to be a bit more in line with what I'm thinking about.

I still dislike the term 'Dark' but he used it more as a spelunking term which is a lot more accurate, imo, than the stereotypical dark = evil.

[lifeforce]

Btw, how do you clogg a chacra? I thought you could only cleanse it. Du you use a tequnike or do you just stop cleaning it? I have never cleaned my chakras before, so theyre probobly clogged allready.

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by lifeforce

Btw, how do you clogg a chacra? I thought you could only cleanse it. Du you use a tequnike or do you just stop cleaning it? I have never cleaned my chakras before, so theyre probobly clogged allready.

Imo, the quickest way is to ignore or de-worth its value. As a Darkworker I'd think that would be terribly foolish to limit one's self this way.

No love of supporting others first is fine but absolutely no love of self means no self worth or effort. In such a case you might as well just slit your wrists now as you're going to be worse off than the average Joe is in their 'mundane' lives.

(This may double post, forum seems a bit buggy right now)