How to decide whether you are a lightworker or darkworker?

[ProjectX]

This has been really bugging me for the past few days. I don't know which path to choose. Both feel very good to me. I want to help myself and become grand but also It feels light working will be joyful and abundant. Would a 30 day trial for each be appropriate?
My thought process is I like to think that we're all connected. I and the universe is one, and that people are all deep inside nice and friendly. Therefore i don't need to help others so much but I need to help myself more. I want to be rich and prestigious. So you can see the dilemma I'm in.....

[MasterD]

Maybe a helpful subquestion for this:

I am curious about the relation between levels of consciousness and the choice between lightworker/darkworker. Can you be a darkworker and still achieve the highest levels of conscioussness?

[Plato]

Ha, tell me about it! This obviously isn't a right or wrong... I think we have to decide whether we prefer feeling lust, greed and power or love, joy and connection to others. I'm struggling to choose.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Lust? Greed? Thats got nothing to do with being a Darkworker...

And MasterD: Both Light and Darkworkers can reach the the same levels of consciousness...

Its not complicated.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Lust? Greed? Thats got nothing to do with being a Darkworker...

So you keep saying. As far as I understand polarity is concerned with energy. What is the polarisation of energy you think a darkworker uses?

[Freelancer]

Its not complicated.

Thats a bold statement considering the huge amount of confusion surrounding it.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Plato

Ha, tell me about it! This obviously isn't a right or wrong... I think we have to decide whether we prefer feeling lust, greed and power or love, joy and connection to others. I'm struggling to choose.

Why can't we just feel all of them

[Plato]

Because they negate each other. What's -3 + 3 ? Zero. What do you get if you mix fire and ice? A puddle of water.

What do you get when you mix love based emotions with fear based emotions? Emotional emptiness.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Plato

Because they negate each other. What's -3 + 3 ? Zero. What do you get if you mix fire and ice? A puddle of water.

What do you get when you mix love based emotions with fear based emotions? Emotional emptiness.

Polarization is based on emotion? Why do darkworkers live in fear? Why can't they also feel joy? Isn't polarization based on intention rather than emotion?

[Akashic_Librarian]

Polarization is about the energy behind the intention, behind actions, and behind thoughts.

Darkworkers use Joy, and Love funnily enough, because Fear and Lust and Greed are all negative, and highly conscious people don't use negative emotions.

A darkworker uses the energy of love, in the context of Love Thyself. s/he use Joy in terms of Joy for ones own achievments, Joys for ones own happiness.

As far as I understand it, a Darkworker does not deem it as important to serve others before themselves, rather they prefer to serve themselves, of course naturally I, and pretty much everyone else on the planet, including Darkworkers of the highest order, want to live in a nice world. I don't want fire, death and dismay neither does any other Darkworker and I certainly don't want to inspire fear in others, on the contrary I want them to be just as happy as me, because when they are happy, they improve our world, and whether reality is subjective, objective, rejective (lol, private joke) it doesn't matter because an improved world is a better world for me, and a better world for you...

Wait! You say...you talk as if you are a Lightworker, are you sure you aren't confusing the polarities AL?

Well as Steve himself has said, and I have pointed out several times, as you follow through each polarity to its logical conclusion you see quite clearly that both of themhave very similar results, with only a slight change on the emphasis of the direction of the energy used.

I hope that has cleared things up a little bit on where I stand in the whole thing.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Polarization is about the energy behind the intention, behind actions, and behind thoughts.

Darkworkers use Joy, and Love funnily enough, because Fear and Lust and Greed are all negative, and highly conscious people don't use negative emotions.

A darkworker uses the energy of love, in the context of Love Thyself. s/he use Joy in terms of Joy for ones own achievments, Joys for ones own happiness.

As far as I understand it, a Darkworker does not deem it as important to serve others before themselves, rather they prefer to serve themselves, of course naturally I, and pretty much everyone else on the planet, including Darkworkers of the highest order, want to live in a nice world. I don't want fire, death and dismay neither does any other Darkworker and I certainly don't want to inspire fear in others, on the contrary I want them to be just as happy as me, because when they are happy, they improve our world, and whether reality is subjective, objective, rejective (lol, private joke) it doesn't matter because an improved world is a better world for me, and a better world for you...

Wait! You say...you talk as if you are a Lightworker, are you sure you aren't confusing the polarities AL?

Well as Steve himself has said, and I have pointed out several times, as you follow through each polarity to its logical conclusion you see quite clearly that both of themhave very similar results, with only a slight change on the emphasis of the direction of the energy used.

I hope that has cleared things up a little bit on where I stand in the whole thing.

I can see a better picture now. So darkworkers feel more majestic?
So do both light and dark workers yearn a feeling of connection with the universe and those around them, the only difference is ultimately self-happiness or happiness of others. Or more like self-reliance or interdependence.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Well as Steve himself has said, and I have pointed out several times, as you follow through each polarity to its logical conclusion you see quite clearly that both of themhave very similar results, with only a slight change on the emphasis of the direction of the energy used.

You call World War II a similar result (Adolf Hitler, DW) as the freedom from slavery (Marthin Luther King, LW)?

If you are at a lower level of consiousness you do not have the complete overview and will probably make decisions that do not perfectly allign with your intention on the long term and therefore there is a huge difference between polarizing as a DW and polarizing as a LW.

I think when speaking in terms defined by Richard Hawkins, the LW or DW result is ONLY the same if you really achieve the highest level of consciousness possible, 'enlightenment', and I personally think that if you reach that level of consciousness the choice between LW or DW is completely irrelevant, because you have such powerful decision making capabilities in every single moment there is no need to fall back on a certain polarization.

[Akashic_Librarian]

exactly MasterD you can polarize to a point where you don't seee a distinction between the two, because you can see the outcomes of all your decisions in as much clarity as is possible.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by MasterD

You call World War II a similar result (Adolf Hitler, DW) as the freedom from slavery (Marthin Luther King, LW)?

Hey, the only bad thing about Hitler is he was an underacheiver!

Akashic, you aren't talking about polarization as Steve means it so to apply his labels to what you're talking about is confusing. As far as I understand it, a darkworker focuses on acquisition, and the intention to do so creates feelings of greed, lust and ultimately power.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

exactly MasterD you can polarize to a point where you don't seee a distinction between the two, because you can see the outcomes of all your decisions in as much clarity as is possible.

You are confusing polarization direction and levels of consciousness.

Generally there will be a huge difference in manifestion if the choice is made between the two polarization directions; only in very enlightened people the difference may be minimal (though this is still debatable, since ultimately the benefit of a single person may be different from that of the greater good, though, I do think, the results in manifestion converge when people climb the ladder of consciousness).

[Akashic_Librarian]

Try and think about it like this:

When you or I are born we are essentially neutral, we dabble in both sides, as children we are initially selfish but society impresses upon us the importantance of sharing, so we share to look good, we share because we are told it feels nice to share, so we feel nice.

As we get older we notice certain situations that could make us very happy, but it would mean NOT sharing...ohh...Well I have earned it, you say, or I deserve some "Me" time every now and then, and you get on with your life, half sharing, half keeping it to yourself.

Life is good. This is what most people live like, and they live pretty happy lives.

Every once in a while certain people come along with certain ambitions that extend beyond most peoples comfort zones, this is the 1% Steve talks about, these are the potential elite.

They notice how silly it is (sometimes with the help of a very good website ) that people remain in this neutral stance, they see beyond the fear of serving others totally, or serving the Self totally and decide they should do one or the other.

So they leave the fold at sometime in their lives, they begin a painful and somewhat disturbing journey into becoming either a Darkworker or a Lightworker.

Now I haven't gone through a complete transition obviously so I can't tell you what happens in the middle but I can tell you that at the end, that is the end of our Physical Life, the polarized person may have reached a level so high that they see themselves and others as One, and One as themselves and others, apropos other people watching them may say...Hey they're doing the same thing!

And they might be, because when it comes down to it, it is the same destination, just a different route.

MasterD:

I am talking about what your talking about. At first, at the very first few years of a Darkworker and Lightwqorker their manifestations will be wholly different yes. But pretty quickly these differences melt away, and the journey of Unity has to begin, because what is good for one, is also good for thje masses (Better helath, better sensibilities etc...etc...) You see in terms of a Darkworker I might think that I want others to be happy, so they cheer me up all the time. A lightworker might think that they want people to be happy because they deserve to be happy, and when others are happy, he's happy.

Is there any difference there really?

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Try and think about it like this:

Every once in a while certain people come along with certain ambitions that extend beyond most peoples comfort zones, this is the 1% Steve talks about, these are the potential elite.

They notice how silly it is (sometimes with the help of a very good website ) that people remain in this neutral stance, they see beyond the fear of serving others totally, or serving the Self totally and decide they should do one or the other.

So they leave the fold at sometime in their lives, they begin a painful and somewhat disturbing journey into becoming either a Darkworker or a Lightworker.

Thanks! this reply was just what I needed. lol I just spent time reading the articles and forums to find out everything I could and with the forums and the articles I think I understand it better.

I keep feeling an apathy for LW and more of a magnetic pull towards DW. Interesting.

Thanks again

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

MasterD:

I am talking about what your talking about. At first, at the very first few years of a Darkworker and Lightwqorker their manifestations will be wholly different yes. But pretty quickly these differences melt away, and the journey of Unity has to begin, because what is good for one, is also good for thje masses (Better helath, better sensibilities etc...etc...) You see in terms of a Darkworker I might think that I want others to be happy, so they cheer me up all the time. A lightworker might think that they want people to be happy because they deserve to be happy, and when others are happy, he's happy.

Is there any difference there really?

Not to be a smart ass here ;-), because I see your point; but it is a bit idealistic in my opinion; it's not only in the very first years that there is a difference, it's almost always a huge difference till the end of the life of the individual that there is a big difference. Most LW's or DW's will never reach the level of consciousness that they see that there is no difference between an action beneficial for an individual and an action for the greater good.

Beyond that, I don't think there isn't always a difference between an action beneficial for the greater good and an action beneficial for the individual. Of course the DW wants people around him happy and he will soon realize this; but there are a lot of choices a LW would make, which he just wouldn't make, because he would never get the benefit back in his lifetime.

So the actions of a LW and a DW could only be 100% the same if (and still there might be differences, I don't see the big picture):

- You reach the level of highest consciousness
- You have indefinite lifetime.

So yes; there is definitely a difference.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Fear and Lust and Greed are all negative

A darkworker uses the energy of love, in the context of Love Thyself. s/he use Joy in terms of Joy for ones own achievments, Joys for ones own happiness.

Lust and greed aren't negative to a darkworker. They are only negative if he feels powerless to take what he wants, which can only result from a lack of courage. To not act upon desires is effectively self-hate to a darworker, and he must face and tame the fear that holds him back. If he doesn't do that he will feel desperation and neediness, which ARE negative, but lets not confuse that with our passions. Lust and greed are actually the postive forms of motivation and when the darkworker is working towards satisfying himself he is showing love (self reverence) for himself, and when he succeeds and grows he feels unstoppably powerful.

The only way lust and greed are bad is by lacking the courage to pursue them.

And I finally get it.

This will be my last post on these forums. Adios amigos.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Plato

Lust and greed aren't negative to a darkworker. They are only negative if he feels powerless to take what he wants, which can only result from a lack of courage. To not act upon desires is effectively self-hate to a darworker, and he must face and tame the fear that holds him back. If he doesn't do that he will feel desperation and neediness, which ARE negative, but lets not confuse that with our passions. Lust and greed are actually the postive forms of motivation and when the darkworker is working towards satisfying himself he is showing love (self reverence) for himself, and when he succeeds and grows he feels unstoppably powerful.

The only way lust and greed are bad is by lacking the courage to pursue them.

And I finally get it.

This will be my last post on these forums. Adios amigos.

No more victimizing yourself, because you were too much of a coward to stand up for yourself... just take the courage to act upon what YOU want; no more people pleasing.

Very well put man.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Plato

Lust and greed aren't negative to a darkworker. They are only negative if he feels powerless to take what he wants, which can only result from a lack of courage. To not act upon desires is effectively self-hate to a darworker, and he must face and tame the fear that holds him back. If he doesn't do that he will feel desperation and neediness, which ARE negative, but lets not confuse that with our passions. Lust and greed are actually the postive forms of motivation and when the darkworker is working towards satisfying himself he is showing love (self reverence) for himself, and when he succeeds and grows he feels unstoppably powerful.

The only way lust and greed are bad is by lacking the courage to pursue them.

And I finally get it.

This will be my last post on these forums. Adios amigos.

That is very well put, a good definition of DWs. I really believe life is all about control. Lack of control creates misery, wanting to control too much creates dissatisfaction.

Can a DW utilize spreading Joy to further the self?

Why does it have to be so polarized? I mean if a darkworker wants to help other people through charity and volunteer work is that such a poor choice for the DW?

I wonder what a good definition for LWs would be.

[munish]

I think it is very difficult to know,whether a person is a DW or a LW.

Because it is impossible to know his intentions.

But there is a way to find out about that, when that person dies.If he has alot of wealth.

As there is a saying-

If a person has alot of money when he dies. He has lived his life in vain.

That person is definitly a DW,as he spent his life accumulating the money.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Plato

Because they negate each other. What's -3 + 3 ? Zero.

No it's not. It totals (or averages) zero, but that's not the same thing as being zero - just like having life full of highs and lows is not the same as having a flat life.

Seems to me that polarisation is about efficiency - if you focus intently on one extreme or another, you get there faster. But is 'there' necessarily somewhere you want to go if it means limiting the breadths of life's experiences?

[Zwynd]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

This has been really bugging me for the past few days. I don't know which path to choose. Both feel very good to me. I want to help myself and become grand but also It feels light working will be joyful and abundant. Would a 30 day trial for each be appropriate?
My thought process is I like to think that we're all connected. I and the universe is one, and that people are all deep inside nice and friendly. Therefore i don't need to help others so much but I need to help myself more. I want to be rich and prestigious. So you can see the dilemma I'm in.....

Sounds like you've already answered yourself in this post. How about choosing the ProjectX path instead? Comparisons are great, but the more labels you add to yourself, the less you become you.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Zwynd

Sounds like you've already answered yourself in this post. How about choosing the ProjectX path instead? Comparisons are great, but the more labels you add to yourself, the less you become you.

I'm just going through the 30 day trial for both polarities. If I like neither then yes I will choose my own path. Thanks