Are other people "real"?

[Andrew Brunelle]

I understand how subjective reality works, but I don't really see a "why" in there, nor do I see it with any other belief system. Sure, you can explain how it works, but can you explain why the universe works the way it does? And if we are all part of one consciousness, why am I tied to this particular ego and not yours or that guy's? THe subjective model is empowering, but it still doesn't answer all the questions why.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by songwriter

Well, according to Steve... I have make him write all about IM, and those articles... and to make this forum, etc. I intend him to disagree with me too, and the majority who agrees with him. I intend myself then not to accept I'm the only one who's intending.

Paradoxical nonsense like that is one of the reasons why the theory is flawed.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Andrew Brunelle

I understand how subjective reality works, but I don't really see a "why" in there, nor do I see it with any other belief system. Sure, you can explain how it works, but can you explain why the universe works the way it does? And if we are all part of one consciousness, why am I tied to this particular ego and not yours or that guy's? THe subjective model is empowering, but it still doesn't answer all the questions why.

There is no "why" in S-R. A lot of people get stuck on that. The only answer you can give is "I choose to".

And if we are all part of one consciousness, why am I tied to this particular ego?

You choose to.

Why are children abused in my reality? Because I choose to have it that way. The MIND wants to know why, surely. But knowing why is not the mind's business, but we think it is.

99% of what we create in this world rolls out of our unconscious self. We're not conscious creators nor do many of us want to be. The mind wants to understand creation from it's point of view, but creation does not happen on a level the mind can comprehend.

[Paul C]

Frome what I can understand at this moment, discussing the why will most likely be an unending circle of speculation. With a larger circle around that one arguing why we think we're 'right' about the reality of an objective or subjective existance.

Maybe existance is a hilarious game that was construsted for whatever reason, maybe the one conciousness is trying to understand something about itself, or trying to test out something. Such as how many living organisms can understand their own existance and therefore become enlightened, but must start off as single celled organisms and work their way from there (or as parts of conciousness, I should say).

But in the end, trying to completely understand this process with the limited nature of the mind will not get us as far as we would hope it to. Maybe because we realize, at some deep level, that we would need to sacrifice our sense of individualism to appreciate the genius of reality (and the ego cannot allow that to happen, so the suffering parade goes on).

Originally Posted by Dharma

The mind wants to understand creation from it's point of view, but creation does not happen on a level the mind can comprehend.

I would have to agree here. If conciousness is fundamentally creative in nature, the mind would already be out of touch to understand.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Markus74

So if gravity is in effect at all times anywhere here on the planet, then why should we think we could change that?

Why shouldn't we be able to?
I'm not trying to say I'm right and you're wrong. We each have an equally valid claim on how we think the universe functions. You cannot conclusively prove that the universe is either subjective or objective, thus it is just a choice you have to make for yourself.

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

You are talking to me buddy, been thinking and posting the same thing. I am currently living in fear and it sucks. How do you rid yourself of the fear of the unknown?

By getting to know it.

For example... you may fear tomorrow, for to you it is unknown.

But what do you know about tomorrow? It's not a complete unknown. You know the sun will rise; that many of your routines will require repeating; that many events are already scheduled way in advance. Cling to those things as you would a handrail while climbing a flight of unknown stairs.

But fear of the unknown can only disappear if you move boldly into it. If you remain where you are, then the unknown will forever remain so, and you will continue to fear it. To dispel the fear, the unknown must become the KNOWN. Then your experience will be what it will be -- more than likely positive, but, yes, perhaps negative -- but at least you will KNOW, and that particular fear will disappear.

~ RS

[Rocket Surgery]

Originally Posted by Markus74

Physical laws exist. Whether you believe them or not. You cannot transform them at will. You cannot levitate. You cannot read minds. You cannot teleport.

But if the theory of Subjective Reality was true then all this should be doable. Then why isn't anyone able to do any of this?

Some Buddhist monks can levitate. It takes decades of intense training, but it's documented.

My wife reads my mind more and more each day.

And teleportation -- assuming you mean "of matter" -- is only a science that hasn't been discovered yet. Manned flight was once referred to in the same way.

~ RS

[Andrew Brunelle]

If you choose to experience reality this way, then you open yourself up to all the possibilities you believe to be true. I am manifesting the war in Iraq. I am manifesting child abuse and genocide. I am manifesting humanitarian organizations. I am manifesting good will towards man. I manifest everything, not me in the egoic sense, but me in the deep connected being self. The highest level of my consciousness. I realize now I do not need an explaination why, I know deep down inside of me that I am having some sort of dream as a superconscious being and understanding that the higher I go up on the "consciousness scale," the better I'm progressing in the spiritual realm.

It's all about inention. If you intend for something to happen, it will manifest. I have "proof," but it cannot be proven, except through subjectivity. I know that my thoughts create my reality. I know it. I feel it. I am it. Because I've opened myself up to this paradigm, I've allowed myself to experience this model of reality firsthand and it has been, so far, a rewarding experience.

Know that anything is possible, anything, just as long as you allow it to exist. You have amazing power to make this either a better world or a worse one. You have power in this moment, this present moment, to change the world, universe, and beyond. You just have to know how to tap into it properly. I have done so on some occasions, but it is not a constant thing for me. I intend to get better at this, as I intend to strive to make the world a better place. But life is a journey, not a race. I'm not going to rush to the finish line, but enjoy my manifestations one by one. Live watching everything unfold the way I envision it.

I just want to leave you with this: You are powerful, all-powerful, capable of conquering anything at any "time," for any reason. You just have to get in touch with consciousness to do so.

[HumbleBeginnings]

So... there is ONE Global consciousness and each human's mind localizes it?

Makes sense. Plenty of times I see someone just as a mind, and that's all.

[HumbleBeginnings]

Originally Posted by Rocket Surgery

Some Buddhist monks can levitate. It takes decades of intense training, but it's documented.

My wife reads my mind more and more each day.

And teleportation -- assuming you mean "of matter" -- is only a science that hasn't been discovered yet. Manned flight was once referred to in the same way.

~ RS

I'm definitely no expert, but I think that science exists. It's called quantum entanglement... two particles existing in different places but are essentially the same other than that. What you do to one, the same reaction will be exhibited by the other.

In the future many particles will be able to instantly (no light barrier) teleport from one location to the next, it seems.

[Liara Covert]

"We must select the illusion which appeals to our temperament and embrace it with passion, if we want to be happy." -Cyril Connolly

To me, who I am, where I am, my perception and perspectives on life are all projections of a bigger picture.

I love Science fiction books, shows and ideas and I believe what the greater public is exposed to is only the tip of the iceberg of what is scientifically possible. Just look at what attitude and ingenuity have led to in history! The Wright Brothers proved human beigns could create a way to fly. The $10 million X-Prize was won in 2004 by Burt Rutan. He became the first human to perform two return trips from Earth to outer space in a passenger vehicle to pave the way for space tourism. These are snippits of what is possible. I believe in teleportation. I simply wish others to try it first just to ensure I don't end up like Jeff Goldblum in the film "The Fly." Technology is evolving. That's for certain.

[Xilmwa]

You mean I'm not the only one who thought of this question?

Thank God, I'm not **as** insane as I thought!

[Angela]

Xilmwa, "others" are exactly as real as "you" are, in subjective reality.