[Adultish] Did Steve ever experiment with sex transmutation / retention?

[Vantage72]

The idea of sextransmutation got a lot of attention when Napoleon Hill mentioned it in his book "Think and Grow Rich".

The idea is basicaly that a man can gain a lot of energy, creativity and will power by not ejaculating for longer periods of time.

This idea is also popular in Taoism, Chinese medicine and ayurvedic medicine. Writes like David Deida and Mantak Chia also endorse it.

Personally I am have tested this for a while and I like the results I am getting.

Did Steve ever attempt this?
If not, I think it would be interesting if Steve did a 30 day trial.

PS. For people who believe this is unhealthy for the prostate, I would recommend reading the research here:
JAMA -- Leitzmann et al. 291 (13): 1578 Table ABLEJOC32368T3

[alexb5784]

I thought N. Hill meant to take your sexual desires and turn them into energy to be used towards achieving your goal. I didn't think it meant to not have an orgasm!

For example, the author said to use the love of your spouse as way to help you stay committed to the goal. Let them be a driving force for you.

Something like that...

[The David]

Sometimes when people talk about 'sex energy', they are referring more to mental processes which are not necessarily destroyed by sexual release. However, it seems like deprivation of anything--not just sex--seems to heighten the senses.

[Vantage72]

Originally Posted by alexb5784

I thought N. Hill meant to take your sexual desires and turn them into energy to be used towards achieving your goal.

Yes I agree with that. Using the sexual drive for other aims.

Originally Posted by alexb5784

I didn't think it meant to not have an orgasm!

Neither did I. I am talking about not ejaculating.

[Interpreneur]

Originally Posted by Vantage72

Yes I agree with that. Using the sexual drive for other aims.


Neither did I. I am talking about not ejaculating.

Perhaps I am very ignorant, but how does a man have an orgasm without ejaculating?

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by Interpreneur

Perhaps I am very ignorant, but how does a man have an orgasm without ejaculating?

He just does it.

[ming]

Originally Posted by alexb5784

I thought N. Hill meant to take your sexual desires and turn them into energy to be used towards achieving your goal.
Something like that...

I understood that too, nevertheless it is not very clear that particular chapter of TAGR.

[Neutral]

From chapter 11 of "Think and Grow Rich" (don't know which edition) on the last several paragraphs;

When the emotion of romance is added to those of love and sex, the obstructions between the finite mind of man and Infinite Intelligence are removed.

Men who accumulate large fortunes, and attain to great heights of power and fame, do so, mainly, to satisfy their desire to please women.

I'd like to quote more but I don't want to violate Fair Use policies here.

He mentions the influence of "wives, sweethearts, mothers or sisters", all in the same breath. Reading the end of the chapter again, he's seems to be talking much more about love and intimacy not sexual lust.

[Vantage72]

Are you talking about the chapter called Sextransmutation?

Sex Transmutation

[Vantage72]

Originally Posted by Interpreneur

Perhaps I am very ignorant, but how does a man have an orgasm without ejaculating?

I have not mastered it yet, but I can give you some links:
How to Explore Male Multiple Orgasms – Non-Ejaculatory Orgasms for Men

orgasm without ejaculation - Google Search

[Neutral]

Originally Posted by Vantage72

Are you talking about the chapter called Sextransmutation?

Sex Transmutation

Charles Runels, conflates many different ideas with sextransmutation.

Napoleon Hill's book in the chapter called "The Mystery of Sex Transmutation" it doesn't even mention ejaculation.

We seem to be thinking of completely different things.

[Vantage72]

Originally Posted by Neutral

Napoleon Hill's book the chapter called "The Mystery of Sex Transmutation" doesn't even mention ejaculation.

We seem to be thinking of completely different things.

I know Napeleon Hill does not mention ejaculation. I am the one who added the word ejaculation to it. But it does not matter if you leave it out in my opinion.

What I understand under sextransmutation is that the energy that was previously put into (the pursuit of) sex is now being used for other endeavors.

I believe that's what Hill and others mean to.

When driven by this desire, men develop keenness of imagination, courage, will-power, persistence, and creative ability unknown to them at other times. So strong and impelling is the desire for sexual contact that men freely run the risk of life and reputation to indulge it. When harnessed, and redirected along other lines, this motivating force maintains all of its attributes of keenness of imagination, courage, etc., which may be used as powerful creative forces in literature, art, or in any other profession or calling, including, of course, the accumulation of riches.

The transmutation of sex energy calls for the exercise of will-power, to be sure, but the reward is worth the effort. The desire for sexual expression is inborn and natural. The desire cannot, and should not be submerged or eliminated. But it should be given an outlet through forms of expression which enrich the body, mind, and spirit of man. If not given this form of outlet, through transmutation, it will seek outlets through purely physical channels.

Think and Grow Rich: Chapter 11. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation (The Tenth Step toward Riches)

[Playlife]

Why not use this almighty sexual power to deepen your intimate relationship?

[ming]

'is the person who has discovered how to give sex emotion an outlet through some form of creative effort, for he has, by that discovery, lifted himself to the status of a genius by the art of sex transmutation'.

This is Napoleon Hill statement that if you convert sex energy into creative energy you become 'genius'.
NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT and Mr. Hill did not explain.

'It was not until I studied Kundalini, the Chakras and began to understand
the true vibratory nature of creation that it became clear that what Hill
was talking about was a prime metaphysical understanding about creative
energy and how to utilize it. It was also, as he predicted, not until I had
passed my fortieth birthday that I actually began to clue into what he was
talking about'

There is plenty of mambo-jumbo about it,as above, but it that does not explain neither.
Let's ask the universe to enlighten us.

[Neutral]

Originally Posted by Vantage72

The idea of sextransmutation got a lot of attention when Napoleon Hill mentioned it in his book "Think and Grow Rich".

The idea is basicaly that a man can gain a lot of energy, creativity and will power by not ejaculating for longer periods of time.

Personally I am have tested this for a while and I like the results I am getting.

Did Steve ever attempt this?
If not, I think it would be interesting if Steve did a 30 day trial.

We're off track.

It's not about sex transmutation's meaning, it's about what Steve said.

Steve said this and followed up with this.

I asked him again on the forums a month ago and he hadn't concluded on the topic.

I'm not sure what you mean but I have thoughts on a mindset about using sex energy.

Did you want to stop masturberrying, ejaculating during orgasms or something different?

There are many unanswered questions on this issue but here's another thread.

[Vantage72]

Originally Posted by ming

This is Napoleon Hill statement that if you convert sex energy into creative energy you become 'genius'.
NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT and Mr. Hill did not explain.

Well he did not explain it in many words, but he did say to harness the sexual energy.

Harness: to bring under conditions for effective use; gain control over for a particular end: to harness water power; to harness the energy of the sun.


As I understand it it's harnessing and conserving the sexual energy and use it in other pursuits.

The harnessing part and

Originally Posted by Neutral

Did you want to stop masturberrying, ejaculating during orgasms or something different?

I've been experimenting with conserving my sexual energy (ejaculating far less, not masturbating) for the last year and I am enjoying the benefits. I have more energy and sleep less. I'm more driven to get things done.

That's why I thought it would make a good 30 day trial for Steve.

[Dannyboy1]

Don't they say no sex before a game?

[Erock]

Originally Posted by ming

'is the person who has discovered how to give sex emotion an outlet through some form of creative effort, for he has, by that discovery, lifted himself to the status of a genius by the art of sex transmutation'.

This is Napoleon Hill statement that if you convert sex energy into creative energy you become 'genius'.
NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO DO IT and Mr. Hill did not explain.

'It was not until I studied Kundalini, the Chakras and began to understand
the true vibratory nature of creation that it became clear that what Hill
was talking about was a prime metaphysical understanding about creative
energy and how to utilize it. It was also, as he predicted, not until I had
passed my fortieth birthday that I actually began to clue into what he was
talking about'

There is plenty of mambo-jumbo about it,as above, but it that does not explain neither.
Let's ask the universe to enlighten us.

Agreed dude. I think this topic is fascinating, but there is sooo much esoteric nonsense that I've basically given up investigating.

Erock

[Playlife]

Originally Posted by Erock

Agreed dude. I think this topic is fascinating, but there is sooo much esoteric nonsense that I've basically given up investigating.

Erock

Plenty o science there.

And yea, "O" Science!

[ming]

Originally Posted by Vantage72

Well he did not explain it in many words, but he did say to harness the sexual energy.
As I understand it it's harnessing and conserving the sexual energy and use it in other pursuits.

That´s closer to the point. My view is that when you are in a steady relationship having your sex routine you feel CONTENT about life. Sex is instant gratification. You feel pleased. And you choose this state of contentment because there is not really anything major that buggers you, nothing that you'd change no matter what.

Who is a genius? Someone who is never pleased, someone who is always looking further down afield, always searching, as 'the priority'. Sex, family life, relatives don't matter as much as the thing he is searching for. That's where most his energies go.

SEX MELLOWS YOU so in order to achieve something big, we must STAY AGGRESIVE (the footballer celibacy before a match, the artists' seclusion).
So, you don't have sex because it softens you and choose to stay dynamic and agressively inquisitve instead which is the perfect mindset of great achievers. Great achievers and geniuses do not play happy families. They might have partners and children but their devotion and energy is almost entirely focused in their big idea.

So I conclude the transmutation of sex is helpful mostly for people with big aims, inventors, revolutionaires, breakthrough artists and scientifics...if you aim for an ordinary, happy life do not feel you have to give your wife the cold shoulder, by the contrary, indulge in sex as much as you want or can becuase the fate of humanity does not depend on you.

[munish]

Originally Posted by Neutral

We're off track.

It's not about sex transmutation's meaning, it's about what Steve said.

Steve said this and followed up with this.

I asked him again on the forums a month ago and he hadn't concluded on the topic.

He has already concluded

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