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Old 05-08-2008, 12:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am a darkworker who fully and completely understand both sides of the coin.


Duality.
Hard soft, beautiful ugly, thin fat, warm cold, black white, ying yang, rigid flexible, stable unstable, darkworker lightworker. It’s about extremes. Everything else is middle ground. The highway to quick results, motivation and personal growth are one of two extremes called the darkworker or lightworker path. They do not describe a personality type, they only define how you approach what you want in life. If you want to be a darkworker and sell beer witch ultimately harms people or be Tony Soprano who also harms people for personal gain, that is up to you as a person. If you want to run a hospital or sell healthy nutrition products for the same reason, then that is also darkworking. Yes, there is are several alternatives other then DW/LW, but that would be middle ground. If middle ground is for you, then middle ground is for you. The nice thing about polarized folks is that we do not judge people. We love people who stand in the middle. We need you to pick up our trash, drive busses, work at our factories and so on.


I could have polarized both ways, but I really had been following the path of self-interest from early age. So I had a momentum. I follow the law and I'm nice to those I like. I have lived a good childhood and lived some good teenage years too. I truly love my un-polarized parents.
I quickly learnt what I could get away with. Oh, you wanted something? Sorry, me first. What was that? Sure, we could cooperate. Me first. I have friends with darkworker syndrome who did stupid things, and they always got punished for it. So I largely learnt what NOT to do from them. They were always one step ahead with the “stupid ****-doing” part. I waited and saw if they could get away with it. The reason we banded together? FUN!


If you like astrology, let me tell you that I have tons of Aries and bit of Capricorn in my chart and some rebellious Aquarius, so who knows, it might have tributed to my self centeredness.


I began my personal development when I was 19 (four years ago), and I never even gave a thought to do service to others. It came as a surprise to me that service equals profits equals money. I present my deals as win-win situations. Because win-win always creates good results for me. And my own gain is what I care about. Taking care of other peoples problems and billing’em for it is how I do it. It’s how longterm stable gains work. Those quickmade money will come fast, but your reputation suffers and in the long term, you lose out. As a smart darkworker, you need to pay even greater attention to consiquenses in the long term, ‘cause the temptation is always there. So a question we always have to ask ourselves is “is it worth it?” Avoiding pitfalls is a skill we learn early.


Guys, I have read alot of posts here, and you are confusing darkworker syndrome and low level darkworking with being a truly highly developed darkworker. Yet you compare the actions of a low level darkworker to a high level lightworker. You got to be level headed here. You don’t see darkworking from the perspective of a high level darkworker. You only see darkworking at low level. Yes, a low level darkworker or someone with darkworker syndrome will be a “bad man”. He will do stupid things and make stupid decisions that ultimately harm him. And yes, that IS the cancer cell at work. That is NOT what a high level darkworker does. And that is NOT what I am teaching. Guys, you gotta understand there is no need to hurt others for personal gain. Create win-win situations! Your reputation grows and you attract people with the same mentality to you! Most lowlevel-darkworkers haven’t chosen their polarity consciously. Their negative experiences in life made them bad people, criminals, angry hateful etc. witch just so happened to be low level darkworking at work. They have no self discipline, no control over their emotions and no foresight.


Foresight means that you can foresee the effects of your actions in advance before you take action and decide if it’s worth doing. Will the positives outweigh the negatives? Losing weight for example. Are the tasteless diet, boring cardio, lethargy and hunger worth it? For me it was. So I did it. Darkworkers aren’t satisfied with being ‘thin’. We want to be ripped muscular and strong, so no fasting or water and pineapple diet for 30 days here. I had all sorts of selfish reasons.

Is backstabbing a friend to ♥♥♥♥ his hot girl worth it? Nope. The negatives outweigh the positives. Bad ripple effects.

For the darkworker, be honest with yourself and ask if doing something immoral is actually worth it. Do I have any qualms about stealing a mans girlfriend? Definitely not. If he is a friend or he is Tony Montana from scarface, you do the smart thing and think twice. To be a high level darkworker, you have to be smart and use foresight to decide if it’s really worth doing.

The concept of evil is an interesting one that ties in nicely with what I just wrote:
There are varying degrees. We can all agree on that. I’ll tell you about a recent “evil act”. I stole a guys girlfriend. She complained about his lack of sexual skills, stamina, looks, hygiene, addiction to porn, laziness, wussiness, doormat tendencies, extreme total lack of ambition, low confidence, drama-queen tendencies – I forgot the rest… If it’s one thing I know more than certain about women it’s that they’re always looking to upgrade like men look to upgrade their cars. If they can, they will. Do you really think it was all that evil of me to take his place? Positives versus negatives. Use your brains and think it out! Don’t just act evil cause you feel like it. That’s DW syndrome and low level darkworking. We darkworkers avoid that as much as lightworkers avoid LW syndrome. And for the record, it was worth it and I'd do it again.

Do not confuse the low level darkworker with higher level darkworker. A high level darkworker has superb understanding of human psychology and motivation. He understands the power of emotions and how they affect others. He knows how to reframe situations to make them seem as beneficial to the other person as possible. He can make people feel whatever he wants them to feel. He likes to make people feel good. Cause that will win him friends, allies and contacts in the long run.

He also has a superb understanding and control of his own emotions. Control of his own emotions, also called emotional mastery is the key here for the high level darkworker. It is a skill that anyone can learn. Because he can control his emotions, he can make himself feel any emotion he wants to and ignore any emotion he wants to. He has a personal magnetism because of this. What you feel on the inside is what shows on the outside. He is funny, confident and will make a good impression. Everyone he talks to responds positively to him and people feel really good talking to him because he radiates that personal magnetism. That is just the way it is. He thinks “I want to feel joy”, and he feels joy. He thinks “I want to feel enthusiasm”, and he feels enthusasm. He concentrates on the feeling and magnifies it tenfold. This is emotional control. He goes out and puts himself in alignment with what he wants. But he can have a bad day. So what does he do? He summons up the feeling of total indifference and then summons whatever he wants to feel. I generally go through my day feeling damn good. Bad emotions are just in the way and therfore, I never feel angry or sad or guilt r any of that. We just don't need it. Google pain body to find out more.


He does have a moral kink. He does want the best for all people. But he doesn’t mind doing things that would make un-polarized or LW feels bad. As long as the positives outweigh the negatives, then he might very well do it. This doesn’t mean that he’ll bother doing it though. You can always trust a darkworker to act in his self-interest. But most of the time you will trust him cause you think he is a man of moral and high standards. It also depends on how much he likes you.


So when you look down or argue against the darkworker, you’re doing with the wrong perspective. You compare the highly developed lightworker with the low lever darkworker or darkworker syndrome. If you say a darkworker would kill someone to get ahead, then I could have said the lightworker will someday kill himself to be a martyr for a worthy cause. Don't forget that there have been as many holy wars by christians and religous movements as greedwars from darkworkers.
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I don't really consider that to be a darkworker, I would consider a darkworker to be the cliche 33rd freemason. Or some oil executive that uses assassination, bribes, fabricated evidence to stop inventors of free energy devices. Or a pharmaceutical executive that purposely puts mercury into vaccines to harm people, depopulate the planet, and make them easier to control etc. You don't seem like you would be willing to go that far to harm people honestly. Maybe your just at like 60/40 or something, everyone is selfish at one point in their life including myself. DW's harm people all the time while making tons of money, and their reputations don't suffer for the most part. It's probably not worth all the karma screwing people over constantly in my opinion. Why would you want to increase your lifetimes incarnated? A lightworker wouldn't commit suicide as a martyr most of the time anyway, because most of them know the consequences for that. If you harm people on a regular basis, and don't feel bad about it then thats a darkworker in my opinion. I don't really think DW's control their emotions more like suppressing them. Plus study trauma based mind control it's an interesting subject. If they manage to get people to be drawn to them, then they are skilled at deception.

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I don't really consider that to be a darkworker, I would consider a darkworker to be the cliche 33rd freemason. Or some oil executive that uses assassination, bribes, fabricated evidence to stop inventors of free energy devices. Or a pharmaceutical executive that purposely puts mercury into vaccines to harm people, depopulate the planet, and make them easier to control etc. You don't seem like you would be willing to go that far to harm people honestly. Maybe your just at like 60/40 or something, everyone is selfish at one point in their life including myself. DW's harm people all the time while making tons of money, and their reputations don't suffer for the most part. It's probably not worth all the karma screwing people over constantly in my opinion. Why would you want to increase your lifetimes incarnated? A lightworker wouldn't commit suicide as a martyr most of the time anyway, because most of them know the consequences for that. If you harm people on a regular basis, and don't feel bad about it then thats a darkworker in my opinion. I don't really think DW's control their emotions more like suppressing them. Plus study trauma based mind control it's an interesting subject. If they manage to get people to be drawn to them, then they are skilled at deception.
Have you chosen to polarize as a darkworker? Are you speaking about this mindset from the inside? From your description of what you think a darkworker is, I’d say no. You seem to think that the darkworker’s most important work is to go around hurting people. That simply is not true. The love of self is the supreme value of the darkworker, and deliberately hurting others for the pure h~ll of it can sometimes be detrimental to one’s own well being. A highly aware and intelligent darkworker does not seek to hurt others unless she believes it serves her own self interest to do so. It is more than conceivable that a darkworker might sometimes believe that refraining from hurting a competitor/adversary might better serve his long term interests. The question for the darkworker is not “How many people can I hurt today?” The question is “What can I do for me today?” If doing what’s best for himself means hurting someone else, so be it. If doing what’s best for himself means helping someone else, so be it. Either way, the darkworker wins, which is the real motivation. What you’re describing is not a highly conscious darkworker. What you’re describing is darkworker syndrome at best or a James Bond cliché at worse, which is a little closer to Fireguy’s point, if I had to guess.
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I don't really consider that to be a darkworker, I would consider a darkworker to be the cliche 33rd freemason. Or some oil executive that uses assassination, bribes, fabricated evidence to stop inventors of free energy devices. Or a pharmaceutical executive that purposely puts mercury into vaccines to harm people, depopulate the planet, and make them easier to control etc. You don't seem like you would be willing to go that far to harm people honestly. Maybe your just at like 60/40 or something, everyone is selfish at one point in their life including myself. DW's harm people all the time while making tons of money, and their reputations don't suffer for the most part. It's probably not worth all the karma screwing people over constantly in my opinion. Why would you want to increase your lifetimes incarnated? A lightworker wouldn't commit suicide as a martyr most of the time anyway, because most of them know the consequences for that. If you harm people on a regular basis, and don't feel bad about it then thats a darkworker in my opinion. I don't really think DW's control their emotions more like suppressing them. Plus study trauma based mind control it's an interesting subject. If they manage to get people to be drawn to them, then they are skilled at deception.
Do you understand what indifference means?

A darkworker is simply indifferent to what happens to other people if it doesn't affect him. A darkworker won't think about the disasters that happen in the world, they don't affect him. If a person who's close to him is under attack then you'll be sure to see a retaliation by the darkworker if the positives outweigh the negatives.

There are very few occasions where hurting another person is actually benificial in the long term. Most of them backfire in dramatic ways and might even get you killed.


Personally I went into the darkworker path for a month or so and I experienced something very similar. Now I'm mostly unpolarized, mostly because I made a few mistakes in implementing darkworker mental habits. The main thing was that I didn't train my emotional control enough before hand and I had a bit of darkworker syndrome going on as well.

Can you give us the technique's you use to change your emotions?
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Lol I am not a darkworker I guess my communication skills aren't that great. I was trying to discourage you from going down that path, but oh well. I was only studying dw techniques so that I could defend myself easily and not be an easy target.
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Lol I am not a darkworker I guess my communication skills aren't that great. I was trying to discourage you from going down that path, but oh well. I was only studying dw techniques so that I could defend myself easily and not be an easy target.
hehe you know the greatest way to completely remove an 'easy target' mark is simply to be highly conscious. No need to know his methods.



Edit: is highly conscious and simple in the same sentence possible? Whey guess so.
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Guys, you don't have to do bad things if you do not want to do harm to others! That is not what darkworking is about. I do not have to harm others in order to do whats best for me. If I dont feel comfortable hurting people, then hurting people is not in my self interest.

You don't think a lightworker will have to do things that might hurt a small amount of people if it's in the interest of the greater good? Heck yeah de will. Steve pavlina paints a pretty depressive picture of DW because he is biased and thinks he knows that lightworking is best for everyone. Look at his first polarity articles. That describes polarity. Recent articles describes his biased oppinions wich in most cases only confuse people to think DW is about hurting others to gain something personally.

A) It's not WHAT you do. It's the reason, motivation and INTENTION for doing it.

B) An oilcompany can be a lightworkerbuissness too. If the prime motivation is to provide, recources for other buisnesses like the huge plastic, gass and electiciy industry and donate alot of money to third world counties.
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Basicly - what you need to know.

This is just as important to darkworkers as it is to lightworkers

If you dont get that it is WHY you do [inser action here] and not WHAT you are doing that determins your polarization, you will never understand polarization.
If you don't have emotional controll - you're basicly f*ucked
If you ignore karma (too much bad ****) - you will get thoroughly f*ucked by it
If you don't understand the transparrent attempt that Steve wants to make everybody lightworkers, you won't get the SELFworker


I work as a personal trainer. If I don't
help people reach their fitness goals, I don't get paid. If I dont preform a service to them, I don't get paid. My motivation is money and personal satisfaction for me. Therefor I am a darkworker. If money were only a nice bonus and helping people reach their fitness goals was my main motivation, then I'd be a light worker.

Lightworker: The more money I make, the more people I can help. - successfull and happy
Darkworker: The more people I help, the richer I get. - successfull and happy

Lightworker syndrome: I dont need the money, I just want to help. Pleas, let me be your doormat! Let me help you! - wont last long

Darkworker syndrome: Crappy service, larger than life promises, no garantuee and waay high prices. - won't last long
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Lol I am not a darkworker I guess my communication skills aren't that great. I was trying to discourage you from going down that path, but oh well. I was only studying dw techniques so that I could defend myself easily and not be an easy target.
If you want to pick me apart, don't take wild shots Im not perfect. That would be pride. A darkworkers sin

All the way from the bottom feeders, you grow till you see that lightworkers and darkworkers can do the same actions - it's just their motivation that's different. Is it service to others? Or is it for personal gain? In any case, you'd have to sell a service or a product that is in demand. Or rely on affiliates and ads.
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I work as a personal trainer. If I don't
help people reach their fitness goals, I don't get paid. If I dont preform a service to them, I don't get paid. My motivation is money and personal satisfaction for me. Therefor I am a darkworker. If money were only a nice bonus and helping people reach their fitness goals was my main motivation, then I'd be a light worker.

Lightworker: The more money I make, the more people I can help. - successfull and happy
Darkworker: The more people I help, the richer I get. - successfull and happy

Lightworker syndrome: I dont need the money, I just want to help. Pleas, let me be your doormat! Let me help you! - wont last long

Darkworker syndrome: Crappy service, larger than life promises, no garantuee and waay high prices. - won't last long
I'm glad you figured out something that gives you a boost. I'm just not sure of the polarity ideas. This is why. To avoid the syndrome of either side, one must apply a bit of the opposite worker motivation to not become taken over by the syndrome.

Take the polarity motivation of a dark worker, motivated to make money - now what? oh, I better be motivated to actually help someone or I make no money (syndrome and pulls motivation into the lightworker's world (caring if others get help)).

Or the lightworker's motivation to help people, motivated to the point of, oh no! I forgot about me. I better be motivated to provide for myself (a darkworker motivation) or I'll be a doormat(syndrome).

I mean, if one is motivated to horde money but one has to provide a service that helps people, how do you keep the bit about caring about people out of the motivation?

If one is motivated to help people, but then one has to remember to think of theirselves or be a grand doormat, how do you get that motivation of focus on self out of the equation?

I think a polarized motivation that focuses on self or others exclusively, eventually brings one to realize that the motivation needs to focus on the other side too - or you get the syndrome. Polarizing basically washes out and has a built in equalizing effect.
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Fireguy, i can see you really grasp the DW concept too. What you didn't get yet is that no matter how much you try to explain, many, to not say most, people will not understand. The view of the world of those who don't understand (at least the DW concept) are currently too different from ours so they just can't see what we do, just as i or you may not see something that they see and find easy to understand.


Maybe you have to be already in a certain level of polarization to get this concept at an intuitive level, i don't know. That's the only explanation i can think of given the fact that polarity has been so easy for me to grasp (and to you too), while many other people just don't get it or think that it's BS and inconsistent.
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The original post in this thread isn't a description of darkworking. It's self-centeredness to be sure, but this is very much a pre-polarization mindset.

The unwillingness to harm others for personal gain (even if you could get away with it) is a clear sign that there's still a light-side sense of morality. There's a clear leaning toward one side, but there isn't a true 100% commitment.

Again, there's nothing wrong with being non-polarized, but this level of selfishness doesn't represent the extreme polarity of darkworking.
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The original post in this thread isn't a description of darkworking. It's self-centeredness to be sure, but this is very much a pre-polarization mindset.

The unwillingness to harm others for personal gain (even if you could get away with it) is a clear sign that there's still a light-side sense of morality. There's a clear leaning toward one side, but there isn't a true 100% commitment.

Again, there's nothing wrong with being non-polarized, but this level of selfishness doesn't represent the extreme polarity of darkworking.
The level of selfishness that makes it darkworking is what? It almost seems like there's no way to be a darkworker or light worker without inviting the syndrome. Or to be polarized is to have the syndrome of the extreme. Or you are not polarized. Polarized = syndrome. partly polarized to one side is not syndrome, but then not 100% polarized?
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I'm careful with the labels. Definitions change from one person to another. After all, isn't the degree to which we can commit to one side or the other linked with the level of cousnciousness we're in?

The more aware we are, the more we can know what's good for humanity or what's good for oneself, and the more we can act accordingly.

So isn't polarization a relative concept? If someone trully decides he is polarized, then isn't this decision the most important thing to determine if that person is polarized?

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The level of selfishness that makes it darkworking is what? It almost seems like there's no way to be a darkworker or light worker without inviting the syndrome. Or to be polarized is to have the syndrome of the extreme. Or you are not polarized. Polarized = syndrome. partly polarized to one side is not syndrome, but then not 100% polarized?
Correct me if I’m wrong somebody, but I honestly believe this thing hinges on extreme motivation and in the darkworker’s case, how far she is willing to go to get what she wants. If she sees that the most expedient path to achieving any goal that benefits herself is through hurting/manipulating/lying to someone else, then she’ll do it, period. Conversely, she might perceive that helping that person is the most expedient path to getting what she wants. The pivotal consideration is getting what she wants. How her quest to serve herself in all things affects other people is irrelevant. (Again, a key point being the utter irrelevance of other people in her self serving calculations.) Darkworker syndrome is more along the lines of hurting people just for the pleasure of hurting people. Sure it’s fun, you get a thrill out of it, but if you do not consider the possible future ramifications these actions might have for yourself, and by that I mean not getting caught or preserving your wealth or building a stable empire, and not karma, then you’ve fallen prey to darkworker syndrome. This is where Machiavelli comes into play. The wise prince knows full well that in order to ensure his rule it is far better to ally yourself with the people than with the nobles. The prince does not forge this populist alliance because he loves the people, he does it to protect and preserve his power against a potentially powerful group of competitors, the elites. He would not hesitate to suppress the people if his calculations indicate that it would preserve his power. But the wise prince does not tyrannize the people just to tyrannize the people, or just because he can. That is darkworker syndrome.
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Correct me if I’m wrong somebody, but I honestly believe this thing hinges on extreme motivation and in the darkworker’s case, how far she is willing to go to get what she wants. If she sees that the most expedient path to achieving any goal that benefits herself is through hurting/manipulating/lying to someone else, then she’ll do it, period. Conversely, she might perceive that helping that person is the most expedient path to getting what she wants. The pivotal consideration is getting what she wants. How her quest to serve herself in all things affects other people is irrelevant. (Again, a key point being the utter irrelevance of other people in her self serving calculations.) Darkworker syndrome is more along the lines of hurting people just for the pleasure of hurting people. Sure it’s fun, you get a thrill out of it, but if you do not consider the possible future ramifications these actions might have for yourself, and by that I mean not getting caught or preserving your wealth or building a stable empire, and not karma, then you’ve fallen prey to darkworker syndrome. This is where Machiavelli comes into play. The wise prince knows full well that in order to ensure his rule it is far better to ally yourself with the people than with the nobles. The prince does not forge this populist alliance because he loves the people, he does it to protect and preserve his power against a potentially powerful group of competitors, the elites. He would not hesitate to suppress the people if his calculations indicate that it would preserve his power. But the wise prince does not tyrannize the people just to tyrannize the people, or just because he can. That is darkworker syndrome.
Precisely.

While the attitude expressed by the original post was certainly self-centered, it's still a good distance from being truly Machiavellian. It's much too tainted with elements of light.

Darkworkers are cold, calculating villains. They aren't merely self-centered people who find a way to get by in the world. A darkworker has no qualms about hurting people for personal gain because he doesn't empathize with others. Darkworkers are generally smart enough to avoid doing things that will socially backfire on them, but the social consequences are the only real concern, not a sense of caring for others' feelings.

Seriously you won't find a darkworker serving as a personal trainer -- that's entirely the wrong medium for such a person. A polarized person (light or dark) wouldn't choose such a career because it's much too limiting in terms of power. However, you could find a darkworker building a personal training empire as a means to greater power.

Can you imagine Darth Vader working as a personal trainer? Not a chance. Personal training as a medium has way too much light in it.

Darkworkers are vastly more powerful than the description put forth in this thread.
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Doesn't the idea of using a "win-win" approach to ethical decision making sort of transcend all of this?

Let's say you go through life creating "win-lose" situations whenever it is convenient. You're a darkworker then, right? You have no empathy about putting others into harms way. As I see it, it is very difficult to remain successful at this for an extended period, as others will not have any trust in you.

Or, let's say you go through life constantly creating "lose-win" situations. This might mean you are a failed lightworker (lightworker syndrome,) or it could mean you are a failed darkworker (darkworker syndrome). Either way it's not productive. The lightworker cannot continue doing positive things while throwing themselves on the alter of martyrdom. The darkworker may have been trying to "get ahead" but instead, and to his own detriment, he only furthered the interests of other, more polarized darkworkers.

Then there are "lose/lose" situations: Decisions based on a willingness to harm others and yourself, out of spite, revenge, jealousy, fear whatever.

Finally, there are "win-win" situations. As I see it, if you go through life practicing the creation of win-win situations you really can't go wrong. You won't suffer lightworker syndrome because your actions will always be a win for yourself. You won't suffer darkworker syndrome because your actions will always be a win for others.
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There are plenty of opportunities to make personal gains that are win-lose, where win-win won't produce as much of a gain. Taking advantage of someone in a real estate transaction is one general example that comes to mind. The more you can make the other side pay, the more you gain for yourself. If it's a one-time sale, what do you care if they think you took advantage of them?
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If you want to talk about me as a coach, I am learning the field and do aspire to become finacially independent in the field.

When and why did you stray off the original message? You used to be so un biased. You even said in a post that evil, to you, means wise and intelligent. You said you used darkworker energy to finish collage. But judging by your own terms in recent posts, you were just selfish. Collage wouldn't be powerful enough of an action.

You don't have to look long to find darkworkers you said. Just look at the nearest millionare and how he makes his money. I guess they are not powerfull enough to be darkworkers. My uncle is a darkworker by your original definitions. Yet he cares about his family and friends. It's not like he's saving the planet by installing electricity in the local community.

You have also said that polarization can be measured on a floating scale of +10 to -10. +3 to -3 would be un-polarized. The more you use a polarity, the further up or down the scale you go. Ant it will take years and years to become highly polarized.

Somewere along the lines, darkworking went from being a tool for LOA to becommig a spesific personality or set of values to take on.

Steve, you have strayed from your original message about polarity. In the begining it was about the energy type of energy you use when applying the law of attraction. Now it has become the difference between Jesus and Saddam. In the original message, the more you use a type of energy, the harder it will be to use the other type of energy. And that both energies lead to the same place. You even used weightloss to help people uderstand how both energies can be used to accheve any goal. That it is not what you do, but your intention for doing it.

You are basicly ralleying people to join your cause to save the world. It's funny how you confuse people. How you contradict yourself. You are using misguided fear energy by going against the real meaning of polarization. It has now become a God versus Satan issue. While it's real purpose is it's use as a tool to accheve your goals, levels of motivation and your spiritual growth wich in the long run would become non-duality.


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Thoughts have content and energy, and polarity is a property of the energy component. When we consider the energy of a thought, we’re really talking about the energy flow. But in order to have a flow, we need a direction.

What are the possible directions of energy flow? With respect to your consciousness, there are only two directions that make sense: into your consciousness or out from your consciousness. Energy can flow towards you, or it can flow away from you. It’s like you’re a vacuum cleaner that has two airflow settings: suck and blow.

Boy you have a dirty mind, but let’s stick with the concept of energy flow for now, OK?

The polarity of the energy flow is simply its direction. The in-flowing energy has one polarity, and the out-flowing energy has the opposite polarity.

So here are the two basic ways energy can flow through your consciousness:
You -> Universe (you direct energy from your consciousness out to the universe)
Universe -> You (you draw energy from the universe into your consciousness)

#1 is like breathing out, and #2 is like breathing in, except we’re talking energy instead of air.

I’m not saying this is any kind of physical energy flowing through your physical body. It’s best to treat this as a conceptual tool. If you want to argue that there’s no such thing as this form of energy, I’ll simply agree with you, just as I’ll agree there’s no such thing as imaginary numbers. However, I’ll continue using both as tools.

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Every thought has two components: content and energy. Content is the data portion of a thought, and energy is the carrier that gives a thought the power to manifest. Think of each thought as being like a radio wave. The electromagnetic radio wave is the energy component, and the information being transmitted is the content.

Our bodies behave like energetic receiver-transmitters, translating the energy that flows through us into emotional states. High-energy thoughts generate intense emotional states. Low-energy thoughts generate little or no emotion.

Thought energy has a polarity. That polarity is either in-flowing or out-flowing. In-flowing thoughts focus on receiving and acquiring. Out-flowing thoughts focus on creating and giving.



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The thoughts with the greatest power to manifest are those which are highly polarized, meaning that your attention is primarily focused on inflow or outflow but not both. It is possible for the energy component of a thought to have a mixture of both in-flowing and out-flowing polarities, but those opposite polarities will cancel each other, and the thought will have significantly less power to manifest. Electromagnetic waves at the same frequency can interfere with each other, so even though the overall energy of each signal is high, the content of both signals ends up as garbled static. Thoughts behave similarly.

The manifestation of a highly polarized thought can occur through motivated action or passive synchronicity or (usually) a combination of both. Ultimately the intentional energy is what sparks the chain of events leading to the eventual manifestation.

To improve your ability to manifest an intention, make a choice to use either in-flowing or out-flowing energy but not both. As you will soon see, that choice is much more significant than it appears at first glance.



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Polarized inflow: In this situation you focus your attention on the inflow. Your intention is aligned with getting, acquiring, or achieving. Your inward flow of energy causes an associated energetic response from the universe, so this energetic debt must flow back out of you again. In this case the compensating return flow will be some kind of payback. It may be an outward flow of money, work to be completed, the manifestation of competitors, etc. The rule for this polarity is: we live in a competitive world, and you have to look out for number one.



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I want to emphasize that negative karma isn’t necessarily a terrible thing if you’re willing to accept the karmic reflections and pay them willingly. Karmic debt is much like financial debt. It can be used constructively, or it can overwhelm you. Those who are skilled with the polarity of inflow learn to accept the karmic debt created by their intentions and pay it willingly rather than resisting it.


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Although polarization is a path of duality, it leads to a place of nonduality. That’s one of the great paradoxes of being human… that we can experience nonduality by completely embracing (instead of resisting) our experience of duality. The big irony is that when you really devote yourself to a single polarity (light or dark) and experience it from the inside, you realize that you’ve actually chosen both paths simultaneously. But I would say this is next to impossible to fathom until you’ve actually made that kind of commitment, which is why most people remain stuck in a kind of dualistic limbo.

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Some religious teachings embrace the lightworker path while shunning the darkworker path, which at the very least is incredibly misguided. That approach only lowers our awareness. Labeling parts of ourselves as bad or evil isn’t helpful. In every one of us, there is the potential for both polarities. What we label “evil” is merely a temporary condition while we’re growing through the experience of duality, and when we resist that phase, we merely prolong it. However, if we can commit to one of these paths and take it far enough, accepting even the seemingly negative experiences as they come, we eventually reach the other side where both paths converge. If you must label parts of yourself or others as evil, then your lesson is to learn to love and accept the evil. It’s all you anyway.

Trying to explain polarity to someone who may have never experienced it certainly isn’t an easy task. The problem is that whenever it gets reduced to words, we’re left with content, but polarity is about energy, which is independent of content. So no matter how many words I write on this topic, it can only serve as a pointer to the experience, but it can never adequately convey the real thing.
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What role does polarity play in health-oriented intentions such as the desire to lose weight? Does polarity have a practical application to something like weight loss?

Let’s say you want to lose weight, so you form the following intention, where XXX represents your goal weight:

I weigh XXX pounds.

Now what is the polarity of this intention? Is this a love-based (outflowing) intention or a fear-based (inflowing) intention? See if you can figure out the polarity of this intention right now. Then I’ll share the answer with you.

If you guessed that this is a fear-polarized intention, I’m afraid you’re wrong. Unfortunately, you’re also wrong if you guessed that it’s a love-polarized intention. The correct answer is that it’s a trick question. Sorry if I tricked you, but please let me ’splain…

Remember that polarity applies only to a thought’s energy, not its content. So the mere text of a thought doesn’t dictate the thought’s polarity. Since I only gave you the thought’s content, I didn’t provide enough information for you to determine the polarity.

The specific words you use to phrase an intention do not matter much compared to the energy you put into the thought. An intention like “I weigh XXX pounds” can be either polarity or it can be neutral. It depends on why you want the weight loss.

Do you want to lose weight because you’ll gain more energy to serve others (love)? Or do you want to lose weight because you’ll gain more energy to pursue your self-centered goals (fear)?

Maybe you want to lose weight because it will help you attract a mate. But do you want to attract a mate because you want to express your love with someone on a very deep level (love/outflow)? Or are you mostly afraid of being alone (fear/inflow)?


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Suppose you are a lightworker, someone who is love-polarized. And you realize that you need to lose some weight. Your motivation to lose that weight will ultimately come from your commitment to serving the greater good. Since we all serve as role models for each other, you would want to serve as a positive role model for others. You would also want to have abundant energy available for fulfilling your purpose. You’d also want to feel good about your body, so you can help others feel good about their bodies too. The fitness level you achieve for yourself is driven by your desire to serve and inspire others. This is a very powerful motivator for someone who is truly love-polarized.

Now suppose you are a darkworker, someone who is fear-polarized. And you realize that you need to lose some weight. Your motivation to lose that weight will ultimately come from your commitment to serving your own self-interest. You could care less about being a role model for others, but this extra weight has to go because it’s getting in the way of your goals. You need energy to achieve the success you crave, and a better looking body will make it easier to attract a mate to satisfy your lust. Weight loss may also help you advance in your career. Also, it’s important to be more fit than those around you, since you’re always in competition with them, and extra fitness will give you an edge. The fitness you achieve for yourself is driven entirely by your desire to serve your own needs. How fit or fat other people are is irrelevant, except to the extent that you look better by comparison. This is a very powerful motivator for someone who is truly fear-polarized.

Now the interesting thing is that the lightworker and the darkworker may go on the same diet, adopt the same exercise program, and achieve a similar level of fitness. But they’ll each be doing it for very different reasons. Our lightworker is driven by the desire to serve and inspire others, while our darkworker is driven by the competitive desire to dominate others. So our lightworker would be more inclined to help others lose weight and encourage people to improve their diet and exercise habits. Our darkworker would only help others for personal gain.
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If you are a lightworker or darkworker, you will have zero doubt about it. That is by definition. If you have any doubt about it, you haven’t polarized. This is as basic a thing as knowing you’re a black belt in a certain martial art. If you have to ask the question, you’re not a black belt. Either that or you have a really bad memory.
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Polarization bestows a new level of intensity, drive, and motivation. Problems and obstacles that previously would have plagued you will seem like trivialities. When you set a goal that aligns with your polarity, you’ll know — not hope – it will be accomplished. Doing replaces trying. Consequently, you’ll expand the scope of your goals to match your intensity. You’ll also greatly extend your timeline for considering the consequences of your decisions, thinking 10, 20, 50 years ahead as a matter of course. Short-term indulgences will be replaced by long-term commitments.

Just as there are degrees of mastery in any field, there are degrees of polarization. The more polarized you become, the more you tap into your deepest levels of inner power. Whether you are a darkworker or a lightworker, your source of power is always found within. It is not a form of agency or positional power. You could be stripped of all your worldly titles and possessions and still feel just as strong. As a lightworker your energy flows outward. As a darkworker your energy flows inward. The source of this flow is always inside you — centered within your consciousness — and your polarity determines the flow’s direction.


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If you polarize with fear, you’ll build a career based on acquiring money, status, and power. Recognition and advancement are extremely important. You want to climb the ladder of success as far as you can go. If you end up contributing along the way, so be it, but that isn’t your primary concern. Making a contribution is only relevant to the extent it increases your power.


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Knowing someone’s polarity leanings can make your working relationships go much more smoothly. For instance, if you know someone is a -6, you must appeal to that person’s self interest to motivate him/her. Offer that person more power, recognition, rewards, money, etc. and you’ll see some good work and cooperation. These incentives won’t work as well on a +6 person though. With a +6 you’ll want to emphasize the opportunity for creative work and show how this person will be making a positive difference in the world.

Recently I was reading a passage from an author who’s written more than a dozen books. He stated very plainly, “It’s all about the money.” And his books reflect it, with many upsell offers in every chapter. This author is writing to maximize profits, and he’s shamelessly open about it. I had lunch with him a few months ago, and he really walks his talk. He’s wealthy, successful, energetic, motivated, and happy. His alignment is working for him because he embraces it.



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You needn’t fear a darkworker if you understand how that polarity works. The nice thing about darkworkers is that you always know where you stand with them. You know you’re only in their life because they think they can gain something from associating with you. For this reason I’m more inclined to trust a darkworker than someone who isn’t polarized. With someone who hasn’t polarized yet, you never know where you stand. They’re internally conflicted, so their behavior is inconsistent and harder to predict. But with a darkworker, you know you’re on solid ground as long as you’re feeding their self-interest. So it’s a fairly safe relationship as long as you maintain the ability to help them get what they want.

Similarly, I love interacting with lightworkers for the same reason. You know where you stand with them. You just need to align yourself with their desire to create and contribute.


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Darkworker syndrome is what happens when a darkworker becomes too power-hungry and ends up self-destructing. The collapse of Enron is a good example… greed to the point of implosion. Darkworkers must learn to balance their acquisitions with some form of contribution, to the extent that it increases their long-term capacity to gain more power. A darkworker who only takes and never gives will quickly lose the cooperation of others and will manifest emboldened competition. Overtly “evil” behavior does not befit an intelligent darkworker. When a darkworker gives, the true intention remains focused on long-term power gain, so giving is still a completely selfish act. For a darkworker giving is seen as good PR.

A darkworker who fails to embrace “selfish giving” is using love energy by mistake. The darkworker who commits too many evil yet unproductive acts secretly wants to self-destruct, so that s/he can finally begin making amends to relieve a guilty conscience. Guilt has no place in a darkworker’s soul, and its presence is the sign of the hidden application of love energy.

Whichever polarity you choose, it’s important to remain cognizant of your own shadow. Persistent negative emotions are a sure sign you’re mixing polarities.
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When you look deep within yourself, what do you see staring back at you? Are you a lightworker in the making, or does the dark side call to you?

While words like light/dark and love/fear obviously have major social conditioning attached to them, it’s best to view each polarity as equally valid and acceptable. Judging these polarities as good or evil is out of line with their actual practice. I assert that the good polarity is the one that’s best for you, and the evil polarity is pretending to be something you’re not. Don’t resist who you really are.

If you’re feeling that being a darkworker would be wrong or evil, consider that a darkworker can end up making a much bigger social contribution than a non-polarized person, even though contribution isn’t his/her primary concern. So don’t beat yourself up if you feel drawn to this polarity.



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Although they may seem similar on the surface, love and fear are different creatures than pleasure and pain. Love and fear represent different internal mindsets, whereas pleasure and pain are external pressures that direct your behavior. So this isn’t a behaviorist model because we’re looking at the inner choices, not merely the outward actions.


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Similarly, being a darkworker doesn’t mean you’re totally evil and trampling on everyone you meet; that mindset would be darkworker syndrome. If you’re going to channel fear energy and use it to your advantage, you don’t throw away your intellect in the process. Again, such people inherit a false model of how they’re supposed to behave, such as the “evil genius.” Becoming an effective darkworker means being totally dedicated to serving your own needs, and in most cases you aren’t going to meet your needs by hurting others — you’ll just end up creating a lot of enemies. Trampling on others to get ahead may seem like a good short-term approach, but the intelligent darkworker recognizes that it’s a foolish long-term strategy.

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The really interesting part is what happens post-polarization. I’ve said that both polarities ultimately lead to the same place, although it may take many years for this to be realized. The lightworker eventually figures out that if s/he wants to do the best job of serving others, it’s imperative to find a sustainable way to meet his/her needs and create some level of personal abundance, if for no other reason than to avoid the distractions created by scarcity. Similarly, the darkworker eventually discovers that the more s/he helps others, the easier it is to get what s/he wants too. Instead of being faced with the choice between love of others and love of self, it is recognized that the pinnacle of one side is the pinnacle of the other.



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Although I see both paths as equally valid, the lightworker path was my preference. From my very Christian upbringing, I was taught that my ultimate role in life was to serve other people. Even my high school’s motto was, “A man for others.” In trying to fill that role, however, I often became overcommitted trying to make everyone happy — everyone except myself. I always felt bad when I had to pull back on some of those commitments just to restore my energy. Although I felt I was contributing, it wasn’t my best contribution, and it wasn’t sustainable. I was trying to lay golden eggs while starving the goose.

Only by making such a strong commitment to this path did I recognize the importance of meeting my own needs. Even though I thought I was on the right path, I was actually setting a bad example for people, showing them that service was a painful form of self-sacrifice. And of course it doesn’t have to be that way. So I learned the importance of doing things just for me, for no other reason than that I enjoy them. When I take time to do these things, I have far more energy to give to others. And this sets a better example for others too.

Some have reached this same place by following a darkworker mindset, focusing first and foremost on meeting their own needs. Another term for this path is enlightened selfishness. The commitment here is to do what it takes to make yourself happy. Eventually you discover, although it may take many years, that making others happy makes you even happier than making only yourself happy. You don’t become happy by surrounding yourself with unhappiness.


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Yes, both polarities ultimately lead to the same place. But that polarization step is important. Why? Because most people cannot immediately recognize and implement a lifestyle which maximizes both polarities at the same time. At best they only have a shot of making a real dent in one side or the other.
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For example, ask yourself these two questions:
1. What’s the best career I can choose right now that would make me happiest?
2. What’s the best career I can choose right now that would most benefit others?

Your verbal answers may be the same for both questions, or they may be different. But your real answer is the career you’re working in right now. As smart as I’m sure you are, did you actually manage to succeed in optimizing even one of these questions? For most people the answer is no on both. Trying to go from where they are now to an answer that optimizes both questions at the same time will only keep them stuck where they are. It’s way too much to ask. But it’s much easier to come up with a clear answer to one question by itself. By choosing a polarity, you have a fresh career path that will at the very least, either make you happier or increase your service to others. And if you pursue that singular path long enough, you’ll eventually see that when you optimize one question, you optimize the other as well.

Polarization is a process to help you accelerate your path to peak motivation, happiness, and fulfillment. Think of it like choosing a major in college. You’ll graduate sooner by picking a major vs. remaining undeclared. Even if that decision seems to limit your options, it improves your focus and makes it easier to take correct action. If you remain undeclared indefinitely, you’ll never graduate no matter how much time and energy you invest in your lessons. On the other hand, once you graduate you’re no longer so limited by your original choice, although it may still remain a strong guiding force for you.
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While some might label the darkworker path as evil path, I dislike using words like good or evil to describe these paths. They’re really two different sides of the same coin. A darkworker experiences unconditional love by recognizing that s/he is God, adopting a life of service to self. A lightworker learns to see God in others, adopting a life of service to what s/he perceives to be the greater good.

Ultimately these two paths lead to the same place. The lower the level of consciousness, the more distinct they seem. As you go up in levels, the dividing line becomes blurrier, and the actions of lightworkers and darkworkers become increasingly similar. This is because ultimately service to self and service to others become the same thing once you reach the level of awareness to recognize it.


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Think of it like this. We human beings are all individual cells in a larger body. The darkworker path is to devote your life to doing what’s best for your own individual cell. The lightworker path is to do what’s best for the whole body. As you, the individual cell, become more aware (i.e. smarter), you will eventually recognize that these two paths lead to the same place. A healthy body cannot exist without healthy cells, and vice versa.

At lower levels of consciousness, these two paths seem distinct because the individual cell doesn’t yet have the understanding to know what’s truly best for itself or for the whole body. So it makes a lot of foolish decisions and mistakes. The darkworker cell competes with other cells, taking resources from them as needed to ensure its own survival, thinking that’s a smart way to get ahead. But then other cells suffer, and the body suffers as well. Eventually there’s a backlash against the darkworker cell to preserve the health of the body. It gets punished for hurting the body. This is what I call Darkworker Syndrome. It’s what happens when a darkworker simply isn’t aware enough to recognize that his/her own good and the good of all are inseparably linked.

Similarly, the newbie lightworker cell decides to nobly sacrifice its own well-being for the good of the whole body. The body may initially benefit from this, but if that lightworker cell convinces too many other cells to do the same, then we’ll see too many dumb sacrifices being made, and the body begins to suffer. Imagine your heart sacrificing itself to save the brain. This is what I call Lightworker Syndrome. It’s what happens when a lightworker simply isn’t aware enough to recognize that the good of all and his/her own good are inseparably linked.
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If a single cell in the body were super intelligent, it wouldn’t matter if it was a lightworker or a darkworker. It would recognize that its own good and the good of the whole body are the same good. It would have the wisdom to make decisions that would improve its own long-term well-being and that of the whole body simultaneously. This cell would serve as a role model for others, such that if every other cell followed its lead, the whole body would thrive.



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By selecting one path or the other and focusing on it exclusively, we gain tremendous clarity in decision-making as well as the motivation to act. Consider the darkworker path. When you devote your life to doing what is absolutely, positively best for you as an individual, a lot of decisions that would have otherwise confused you become crystal clear. Things that were only shoulds become musts. You tap into a new level of drive and ambition that was previously dampened. Are you following the diet that is best for you? Are you exercising in a manner that’s best for you? Are you working in the career that’s best for you? Are you making enough money to fulfill all your desires? A darkworker will do his/her best to optimize all of these — no lame excuses.


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Now the interesting thing is that these paths lead to the same place. For example, when we act as darkworkers from total self-interest, we eventually see that we must account for the health of the whole body. If the body dies, we go down with it, which does not serve our own needs. When we act as lightworkers from a passion for service, we eventually recognize that our own well-being plays a big part in our ability to serve. If we don’t thrive as individuals, we aren’t much good to anyone else.
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While I may be lightworker-biased, I also want to encourage those who choose to pursue the darkworker path because as long as they keep growing in awareness, all of us will ultimately benefit from it.
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There are plenty of opportunities to make personal gains that are win-lose, where win-win won't produce as much of a gain. Taking advantage of someone in a real estate transaction is one general example that comes to mind. The more you can make the other side pay, the more you gain for yourself. If it's a one-time sale, what do you care if they think you took advantage of them?
In working with a client you should care about creating win-win situations because if you develop a positive buissness relationship with someone, you can make money with them in the long run. If you spent marketing money to find 10 000 clients, and got them to buy a poor product, you would make alot of money from that sale. You make money, clients get pissed and throw the product away.

However, if you made a good product and had exelent customer servie, it would be alot more proffitable if those 10 000 clients bought your new products because they were so pleased the last time they did buissness with you. It is cheaper and faster. Pluss, you could spend more money to get even more customers.

If pepsi sold a bad tasting products, they might make som sales. But ultimately, they'd go bankrupt (DW syndrome, win-lose). Make a good product and get the same clients to buy the product several times and do a bit of word-of-mouth marketing for you, then pepsi grows in buissness (smart DW, more money).

How come you never use good examples of darkworking steve?
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Well don't get your ego in a twist about it! You said there were times you wouldn't hurt others... that you feel empathy. Then you're not a darkworker. A darkworker feels NOTHING.
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Well don't get your ego in a twist about it! You said there were times you wouldn't hurt others... that you feel empathy. Then you're not a darkworker. A darkworker feels NOTHING.
1) Someone who feels nothing has lost part of his humanity. I don't think polarizing either way has an impact like that. It doesn't make a god or a devil out of you.

2) Someone who feels nothing doesn't feel any passion or motivation, doesn't care about anything. He doesn't care about himself either. Someone like that would probably be diagnosed with severe depression. Polarizing isn't equal to having a clinical condition. A darkworker does feel, he does care, and he cares about himself.

As an addendum, I think it would be perfectly acceptable to replace "a darkworker cares about himself" with "a darkworker cares about his clan", clan being (circularly, I know) defined as consisting of the people he cares about (be they family or friends). It's part of human nature to be a social animal, to feel connected to some people, to feel protective of them and to feel empathy for them.

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Who says "humanity" is such a good thing? Just a thought.

In repsonse to #2 don't misinterpret me please.
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1) Someone who feels nothing has lost part of his humanity.
As kind of a tangent (and kind of not), I think this is the difference between a darkworker and a sociopath. From what I've read about them, sociopaths do not feel very much at all. The darkworker is not necessarily a sociopath, although the characteristics overlap at several places. The darkworker has consciously chosen his path, the sociopath most likely has not. The darkworker feels his feelings, but has decided to interpet them in a way that strenghens himself. The sociopath is what he is due to that mysterious interplay between nature and nuture.

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Who says "humanity" is such a good thing?
Good question. The answer: humans. Funny how that works out.
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Good question. The answer: humans. Funny how that works out.
Haha, yeah. Most humans anyway. I'm doing a couple of modules on trans humanism next year for my philosophy degree which I hope will expand my mind on all this. I'm not too impressed with "humanity" and I'm not sure where the line blurs between personal growth and trans humanism.
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Plato, I suggest you read posts number 19, 20, 21 and 22 to see what steve actually wrote in his blogs. It's a direct quote from his own writings.
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Well don't get your ego in a twist about it! You said there were times you wouldn't hurt others... that you feel empathy. Then you're not a darkworker. A darkworker feels NOTHING.
I don't get it, why would a darkworker want to feel nothing? Thats incredibly counterproductive.
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