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| I am a darkworker who fully and completely understand both sides of the coin. Duality. Hard soft, beautiful ugly, thin fat, warm cold, black white, ying yang, rigid flexible, stable unstable, darkworker lightworker. It’s about extremes. Everything else is middle ground. The highway to quick results, motivation and personal growth are one of two extremes called the darkworker or lightworker path. They do not describe a personality type, they only define how you approach what you want in life. If you want to be a darkworker and sell beer witch ultimately harms people or be Tony Soprano who also harms people for personal gain, that is up to you as a person. If you want to run a hospital or sell healthy nutrition products for the same reason, then that is also darkworking. Yes, there is are several alternatives other then DW/LW, but that would be middle ground. If middle ground is for you, then middle ground is for you. The nice thing about polarized folks is that we do not judge people. We love people who stand in the middle. We need you to pick up our trash, drive busses, work at our factories and so on. I could have polarized both ways, but I really had been following the path of self-interest from early age. So I had a momentum. I follow the law and I'm nice to those I like. I have lived a good childhood and lived some good teenage years too. I truly love my un-polarized parents. I quickly learnt what I could get away with. Oh, you wanted something? Sorry, me first. What was that? Sure, we could cooperate. Me first. I have friends with darkworker syndrome who did stupid things, and they always got punished for it. So I largely learnt what NOT to do from them. They were always one step ahead with the “stupid ****-doing” part. I waited and saw if they could get away with it. The reason we banded together? FUN! If you like astrology, let me tell you that I have tons of Aries and bit of Capricorn in my chart and some rebellious Aquarius, so who knows, it might have tributed to my self centeredness. I began my personal development when I was 19 (four years ago), and I never even gave a thought to do service to others. It came as a surprise to me that service equals profits equals money. I present my deals as win-win situations. Because win-win always creates good results for me. And my own gain is what I care about. Taking care of other peoples problems and billing’em for it is how I do it. It’s how longterm stable gains work. Those quickmade money will come fast, but your reputation suffers and in the long term, you lose out. As a smart darkworker, you need to pay even greater attention to consiquenses in the long term, ‘cause the temptation is always there. So a question we always have to ask ourselves is “is it worth it?” Avoiding pitfalls is a skill we learn early. Guys, I have read alot of posts here, and you are confusing darkworker syndrome and low level darkworking with being a truly highly developed darkworker. Yet you compare the actions of a low level darkworker to a high level lightworker. You got to be level headed here. You don’t see darkworking from the perspective of a high level darkworker. You only see darkworking at low level. Yes, a low level darkworker or someone with darkworker syndrome will be a “bad man”. He will do stupid things and make stupid decisions that ultimately harm him. And yes, that IS the cancer cell at work. That is NOT what a high level darkworker does. And that is NOT what I am teaching. Guys, you gotta understand there is no need to hurt others for personal gain. Create win-win situations! Your reputation grows and you attract people with the same mentality to you! Most lowlevel-darkworkers haven’t chosen their polarity consciously. Their negative experiences in life made them bad people, criminals, angry hateful etc. witch just so happened to be low level darkworking at work. They have no self discipline, no control over their emotions and no foresight. Foresight means that you can foresee the effects of your actions in advance before you take action and decide if it’s worth doing. Will the positives outweigh the negatives? Losing weight for example. Are the tasteless diet, boring cardio, lethargy and hunger worth it? For me it was. So I did it. Darkworkers aren’t satisfied with being ‘thin’. We want to be ripped muscular and strong, so no fasting or water and pineapple diet for 30 days here. I had all sorts of selfish reasons. Is backstabbing a friend to fvck his hot girl worth it? Nope. The negatives outweigh the positives. Bad ripple effects. For the darkworker, be honest with yourself and ask if doing something immoral is actually worth it. Do I have any qualms about stealing a mans girlfriend? Definitely not. If he is a friend or he is Tony Montana from scarface, you do the smart thing and think twice. To be a high level darkworker, you have to be smart and use foresight to decide if it’s really worth doing. The concept of evil is an interesting one that ties in nicely with what I just wrote: There are varying degrees. We can all agree on that. I’ll tell you about a recent “evil act”. I stole a guys girlfriend. She complained about his lack of sexual skills, stamina, looks, hygiene, addiction to porn, laziness, wussiness, doormat tendencies, extreme total lack of ambition, low confidence, drama-queen tendencies – I forgot the rest… If it’s one thing I know more than certain about women it’s that they’re always looking to upgrade like men look to upgrade their cars. If they can, they will. Do you really think it was all that evil of me to take his place? Positives versus negatives. Use your brains and think it out! Don’t just act evil cause you feel like it. That’s DW syndrome and low level darkworking. We darkworkers avoid that as much as lightworkers avoid LW syndrome. And for the record, it was worth it and I'd do it again. Do not confuse the low level darkworker with higher level darkworker. A high level darkworker has superb understanding of human psychology and motivation. He understands the power of emotions and how they affect others. He knows how to reframe situations to make them seem as beneficial to the other person as possible. He can make people feel whatever he wants them to feel. He likes to make people feel good. Cause that will win him friends, allies and contacts in the long run. He also has a superb understanding and control of his own emotions. Control of his own emotions, also called emotional mastery is the key here for the high level darkworker. It is a skill that anyone can learn. Because he can control his emotions, he can make himself feel any emotion he wants to and ignore any emotion he wants to. He has a personal magnetism because of this. What you feel on the inside is what shows on the outside. He is funny, confident and will make a good impression. Everyone he talks to responds positively to him and people feel really good talking to him because he radiates that personal magnetism. That is just the way it is. He thinks “I want to feel joy”, and he feels joy. He thinks “I want to feel enthusiasm”, and he feels enthusasm. He concentrates on the feeling and magnifies it tenfold. This is emotional control. He goes out and puts himself in alignment with what he wants. But he can have a bad day. So what does he do? He summons up the feeling of total indifference and then summons whatever he wants to feel. I generally go through my day feeling damn good. Bad emotions are just in the way and therfore, I never feel angry or sad or guilt r any of that. We just don't need it. Google pain body to find out more. He does have a moral kink. He does want the best for all people. But he doesn’t mind doing things that would make un-polarized or LW feels bad. As long as the positives outweigh the negatives, then he might very well do it. This doesn’t mean that he’ll bother doing it though. You can always trust a darkworker to act in his self-interest. But most of the time you will trust him cause you think he is a man of moral and high standards. It also depends on how much he likes you. So when you look down or argue against the darkworker, you’re doing with the wrong perspective. You compare the highly developed lightworker with the low lever darkworker or darkworker syndrome. If you say a darkworker would kill someone to get ahead, then I could have said the lightworker will someday kill himself to be a martyr for a worthy cause. Don't forget that there have been as many holy wars by christians and religous movements as greedwars from darkworkers. |
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| I don't really consider that to be a darkworker, I would consider a darkworker to be the cliche 33rd freemason. Or some oil executive that uses assassination, bribes, fabricated evidence to stop inventors of free energy devices. Or a pharmaceutical executive that purposely puts mercury into vaccines to harm people, depopulate the planet, and make them easier to control etc. You don't seem like you would be willing to go that far to harm people honestly. Maybe your just at like 60/40 or something, everyone is selfish at one point in their life including myself. DW's harm people all the time while making tons of money, and their reputations don't suffer for the most part. It's probably not worth all the karma screwing people over constantly in my opinion. Why would you want to increase your lifetimes incarnated? A lightworker wouldn't commit suicide as a martyr most of the time anyway, because most of them know the consequences for that. If you harm people on a regular basis, and don't feel bad about it then thats a darkworker in my opinion. I don't really think DW's control their emotions more like suppressing them. Plus study trauma based mind control it's an interesting subject. If they manage to get people to be drawn to them, then they are skilled at deception. Last edited by jimbos123456 : 05-09-2008 at 04:02 AM. |
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A darkworker is simply indifferent to what happens to other people if it doesn't affect him. A darkworker won't think about the disasters that happen in the world, they don't affect him. If a person who's close to him is under attack then you'll be sure to see a retaliation by the darkworker if the positives outweigh the negatives. There are very few occasions where hurting another person is actually benificial in the long term. Most of them backfire in dramatic ways and might even get you killed. Personally I went into the darkworker path for a month or so and I experienced something very similar. Now I'm mostly unpolarized, mostly because I made a few mistakes in implementing darkworker mental habits. The main thing was that I didn't train my emotional control enough before hand and I had a bit of darkworker syndrome going on as well. Can you give us the technique's you use to change your emotions?
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| Lol I am not a darkworker I guess my communication skills aren't that great. I was trying to discourage you from going down that path, but oh well. I was only studying dw techniques so that I could defend myself easily and not be an easy target. |
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Edit: is highly conscious and simple in the same sentence possible? Whey guess so.
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| Guys, you don't have to do bad things if you do not want to do harm to others! That is not what darkworking is about. I do not have to harm others in order to do whats best for me. If I dont feel comfortable hurting people, then hurting people is not in my self interest. You don't think a lightworker will have to do things that might hurt a small amount of people if it's in the interest of the greater good? Heck yeah de will. Steve pavlina paints a pretty depressive picture of DW because he is biased and thinks he knows that lightworking is best for everyone. Look at his first polarity articles. That describes polarity. Recent articles describes his biased oppinions wich in most cases only confuse people to think DW is about hurting others to gain something personally. A) It's not WHAT you do. It's the reason, motivation and INTENTION for doing it. B) An oilcompany can be a lightworkerbuissness too. If the prime motivation is to provide, recources for other buisnesses like the huge plastic, gass and electiciy industry and donate alot of money to third world counties. |
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| Basicly - what you need to know. This is just as important to darkworkers as it is to lightworkers If you dont get that it is WHY you do [inser action here] and not WHAT you are doing that determins your polarization, you will never understand polarization. If you don't have emotional controll - you're basicly f*ucked If you ignore karma (too much bad ****) - you will get thoroughly f*ucked by it If you don't understand the transparrent attempt that Steve wants to make everybody lightworkers, you won't get the SELFworker I work as a personal trainer. If I don't help people reach their fitness goals, I don't get paid. If I dont preform a service to them, I don't get paid. My motivation is money and personal satisfaction for me. Therefor I am a darkworker. If money were only a nice bonus and helping people reach their fitness goals was my main motivation, then I'd be a light worker. Lightworker: The more money I make, the more people I can help. - successfull and happy Darkworker: The more people I help, the richer I get. - successfull and happy Lightworker syndrome: I dont need the money, I just want to help. Pleas, let me be your doormat! Let me help you! - wont last long Darkworker syndrome: Crappy service, larger than life promises, no garantuee and waay high prices. - won't last long |
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All the way from the bottom feeders, you grow till you see that lightworkers and darkworkers can do the same actions - it's just their motivation that's different. Is it service to others? Or is it for personal gain? In any case, you'd have to sell a service or a product that is in demand. Or rely on affiliates and ads. |
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Take the polarity motivation of a dark worker, motivated to make money - now what? oh, I better be motivated to actually help someone or I make no money (syndrome and pulls motivation into the lightworker's world (caring if others get help)). Or the lightworker's motivation to help people, motivated to the point of, oh no! I forgot about me. I better be motivated to provide for myself (a darkworker motivation) or I'll be a doormat(syndrome). I mean, if one is motivated to horde money but one has to provide a service that helps people, how do you keep the bit about caring about people out of the motivation? If one is motivated to help people, but then one has to remember to think of theirselves or be a grand doormat, how do you get that motivation of focus on self out of the equation? I think a polarized motivation that focuses on self or others exclusively, eventually brings one to realize that the motivation needs to focus on the other side too - or you get the syndrome. Polarizing basically washes out and has a built in equalizing effect. |
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| Fireguy, i can see you really grasp the DW concept too. What you didn't get yet is that no matter how much you try to explain, many, to not say most, people will not understand. The view of the world of those who don't understand (at least the DW concept) are currently too different from ours so they just can't see what we do, just as i or you may not see something that they see and find easy to understand. Maybe you have to be already in a certain level of polarization to get this concept at an intuitive level, i don't know. That's the only explanation i can think of given the fact that polarity has been so easy for me to grasp (and to you too), while many other people just don't get it or think that it's BS and inconsistent.
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| The original post in this thread isn't a description of darkworking. It's self-centeredness to be sure, but this is very much a pre-polarization mindset. The unwillingness to harm others for personal gain (even if you could get away with it) is a clear sign that there's still a light-side sense of morality. There's a clear leaning toward one side, but there isn't a true 100% commitment. Again, there's nothing wrong with being non-polarized, but this level of selfishness doesn't represent the extreme polarity of darkworking.
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| I'm careful with the labels. Definitions change from one person to another. After all, isn't the degree to which we can commit to one side or the other linked with the level of cousnciousness we're in? The more aware we are, the more we can know what's good for humanity or what's good for oneself, and the more we can act accordingly. So isn't polarization a relative concept? If someone trully decides he is polarized, then isn't this decision the most important thing to determine if that person is polarized? Last edited by theknightwhosaysni-NI : 05-09-2008 at 11:14 PM. |
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While the attitude expressed by the original post was certainly self-centered, it's still a good distance from being truly Machiavellian. It's much too tainted with elements of light. Darkworkers are cold, calculating villains. They aren't merely self-centered people who find a way to get by in the world. A darkworker has no qualms about hurting people for personal gain because he doesn't empathize with others. Darkworkers are generally smart enough to avoid doing things that will socially backfire on them, but the social consequences are the only real concern, not a sense of caring for others' feelings. Seriously you won't find a darkworker serving as a personal trainer -- that's entirely the wrong medium for such a person. A polarized person (light or dark) wouldn't choose such a career because it's much too limiting in terms of power. However, you could find a darkworker building a personal training empire as a means to greater power. Can you imagine Darth Vader working as a personal trainer? Not a chance. Personal training as a medium has way too much light in it. Darkworkers are vastly more powerful than the description put forth in this thread.
__________________ Steve Pavlina www.StevePavlina.com Pre-order Personal Development for Smart People (shipping Oct 15, 2008) |
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| Doesn't the idea of using a "win-win" approach to ethical decision making sort of transcend all of this? Let's say you go through life creating "win-lose" situations whenever it is convenient. You're a darkworker then, right? You have no empathy about putting others into harms way. As I see it, it is very difficult to remain successful at this for an extended period, as others will not have any trust in you. Or, let's say you go through life constantly creating "lose-win" situations. This might mean you are a failed lightworker (lightworker syndrome,) or it could mean you are a failed darkworker (darkworker syndrome). Either way it's not productive. The lightworker cannot continue doing positive things while throwing themselves on the alter of martyrdom. The darkworker may have been trying to "get ahead" but instead, and to his own detriment, he only furthered the interests of other, more polarized darkworkers. Then there are "lose/lose" situations: Decisions based on a willingness to harm others and yourself, out of spite, revenge, jealousy, fear whatever. Finally, there are "win-win" situations. As I see it, if you go through life practicing the creation of win-win situations you really can't go wrong. You won't suffer lightworker syndrome because your actions will always be a win for yourself. You won't suffer darkworker syndrome because your actions will always be a win for others.
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| There are plenty of opportunities to make personal gains that are win-lose, where win-win won't produce as much of a gain. Taking advantage of someone in a real estate transaction is one general example that comes to mind. The more you can make the other side pay, the more you gain for yourself. If it's a one-time sale, what do you care if they think you took advantage of them?
__________________ Steve Pavlina www.StevePavlina.com Pre-order Personal Development for Smart People (shipping Oct 15, 2008) |
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| If you want to talk about me as a coach, I am learning the field and do aspire to become finacially independent in the field. When and why did you stray off the original message? You used to be so un biased. You even said in a post that evil, to you, means wise and intelligent. You said you used darkworker energy to finish collage. But judging by your own terms in recent posts, you were just selfish. Collage wouldn't be powerful enough of an action. You don't have to look long to find darkworkers you said. Just look at the nearest millionare and how he makes his money. I guess they are not powerfull enough to be darkworkers. My uncle is a darkworker by your original definitions. Yet he cares about his family and friends. It's not like he's saving the planet by installing electricity in the local community. You have also said that polarization can be measured on a floating scale of +10 to -10. +3 to -3 would be un-polarized. The more you use a polarity, the further up or down the scale you go. Ant it will take years and years to become highly polarized. Somewere along the lines, darkworking went from being a tool for LOA to becommig a spesific personality or set of values to take on. Steve, you have strayed from your original message about polarity. In the begining it was about the energy type of energy you use when applying the law of attraction. Now it has become the difference between Jesus and Saddam. In the original message, the more you use a type of energy, the harder it will be to use the other type of energy. And that both energies lead to the same place. You even used weightloss to help people uderstand how both energies can be used to accheve any goal. That it is not what you do, but your intention for doing it. You are basicly ralleying people to join your cause to save the world. It's funny how you confuse people. How you contradict yourself. You are using misguided fear energy by going against the real meaning of polarization. It has now become a God versus Satan issue. While it's real purpose is it's use as a tool to accheve your goals, levels of motivation and your spiritual growth wich in the long run would become non-duality. Let us quote Stivies articles Quote: |


