Are Darkworkers Evil? (Blog)

[Keith]

Originally Posted by markytom

I could go on and on with just as many reasons why farming plants is as bad as raising animals for consumption - the E. Coli spinach breakout was on organic farms,

Not a good example, given that the source of the E Coli Spinach outbreak turned out to be water contamination from a nearby cattle ranch.

Originally Posted by markytom

rain forests being destroyed to grow crops,

Aren't rainforests primarily culled to make land available for cattle grazing?

Originally Posted by markytom

growing corn for ethanol

I'm not sure what your objection to this is?

[The Wise Turtle]

Evil is a symptom if disease. Goodness is a symptom of health.

And because Lightworkers and Darkworkers alike can be diseased or healthy, both Lightworkers and Darkworkers can be evil, and both Lightworkers and Darkworkers can be good.

A diseased Lightworker will have the illusion that they are helping others, and a diseased Darkworker will have the illusion that they are helping themselves. A healthy Lightworker will actually be helping others and a healthy Darkworker will actually be helping themselves.

And, what's interesting is that we all go through waves of being Lightworkers (focusing on others' health and happiness) and Darkworkers (focusing on our own health and happiness) as we go through life. Though people have different wavelengths and frequencies, so sometimes it seems as if someone will be at one end or another for a long time.

For more info about these wave patterns of our life, take a look at the Spiral Growth theory (starring the ever so elegant Nautilus shell, and with a special guest star of the cuttlefish!), which is based on systems theory, biological development, Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and Spiral Dynamics/Integral/AQAL theory.

-Turil

[Thomas]

It'd be interesting to analyze some better known characters from movies re lightworker/darkworker, such as: Cpt. Picard, Jack Bauer,..

[jshine2]

Isn't it counter-personal development to believe in the false dichotomy of some Cosmic Evil (Darkworking) or Cosmic Good (Lightworking)?

There's no evidence that these absolute polar opposites even exist in reality. I also find it completely disempowering to believe such fluff.

If you wanna talk about 10 Reasons To Not Join a Religion... Law of Attraction exhibits all of the pseudo-scientific comfort principles religion does. If you're not getting what you want, it means you're nothing thinking hard enough and with enough emotion (i.e. you need more faith [sound familiar?]). Hell, there's even "Secret Workshops" to join so everyone can feel better about their own problems.

If you really want to learn about why people do good and bad things (without the snake oil), study game theory.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Are you being paid to promote this Game Theory, or is that the only one you know about Jshine haha.

Darkworkers aren't Evil btw. They are both parallell but counter-operating pathways towards higher consciousness. If thats too fluffy for you, then think about it in terms of...Darkworkers and Lightworkers are better at life than you. They are better than me, and they are better at it than your next door neighbour. Why? because they know what they are doing and aren't lured by the false promise of the so-called Middle Ground.

[yossarian]

Game theory has nothing to do with intentions. Polarity as Steve talks about ONLY has to do with intentions.

Game theorists usually just assume that all actions are ultimately selfish and then if something looks altruistic they simply back-rationalize to find a possible selfish motive. It's just typical economic reasoning. Evolutionary psychology is not a well tested field and game theorists usually rely on it for their rationalizations.

The question of how people do things can be answered by current science. The question of WHY people do things is far more subtle and complex, and there is almost no solid empirical evidence for us to state one way or the other with scientific validity.

However we CAN know why we personally do things. We can know our own intentions and test our own motivations... that is much easier. This itself is a scientific process and this process of internal experimentation is Steve's foundation for personal development (and mine as well).

Therefore, Steve can't say what works for others. But Steve CAN say, with TRUE scientific validity, what works for himself. Steve says polarity works for himself. I say it also works for me. So that's two scientifically valid statements about two specific people. This cannot be generalized except by shaky inductive reasoning, however the veracity can be tested by each individual. It's certainly possible that it doesn't work for jshine, but I doubt he has done a scientific test on himself. Rather, I bet he is just unscientifically assuming that it won't work. Very unscientific, very irrational, very emotionally-based decision making.

[elmox]

Theres nothing wrong with working for self benefit. Capitalism works because people profit when they provide for others. A milkman doesn't deliver his milk for the good of humanity, he does it for money.

You also assume that working for selfish reasons means that there is no morality. That's simply not true.

Lastly, working for self benefit doesn't mean that you don't have to care about those around you or that they are merely pawns to you.

[Plato]

There's a fiver in it for anybody who posts up a recording of themselves doing an evil laugh.

[ProjectX]

I said it in This Thread and will say it again.

I really doubt Darkworkers are motivated by fear. Perhaps some, but I think a lot is motivated by the feeling pleasure and exhilaration. Fear is such a poor definition.
I don't know why all these reactive attributes are being given to darkworkers. Darkworkers can feel gratitude. Darkworkers can help people. Darkworkers can feel all these proactive attributes, but ultimately they know they're doing it to increase their own pleasure and feeling of success.