Are Darkworkers Evil? (Blog)

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by shnu

Source? I've heard that Lucas credits Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces and other writings as an inspiration, that Campbell thought well of the Star Wars films, but that Lucas and Campbell did not meet until after Return of the Jedi was filmed.

I think it was the new movies that Campbell actively participated in, whereas with the old ones Lucas just copied them out of Campbell's book.

Star Wars is almost definitely the most famous and well known mythology to modern people, which is why it's so easy to use Star Wars characters and quotes as examples when discussing the archetypal mind.

[Game Producer]

You guys forgot the ZENWORKER

Zenworkers realize that too much "lightworkers" or "darkworkers" doesn't bring balance. That's why they realize there is no "evil" (nor "good") - or that "good" only comes because there is "evil".

Similarly - if there's no "good", there will be no "evil".

There's something to mess up your mind

P.S. Another very good controversial post to shake up things Steve.

[shnu]

Originally Posted by yossarian

I think it was the new movies that Campbell actively participated in, whereas with the old ones Lucas just copied them out of Campbell's book.

It could be that Campbell actively influenced Lucas' post first-trilogy thinking about the Star Wars mythology, but since he died six years before the Episode I project was announced, I guess there's a limit to his participation.

It's certainly the case that in the last four years of Campbell's life, the two got on like a house on fire.

[shnu]

Originally Posted by Game Producer

You guys forgot the ZENWORKER

Zenworker sounds a bit like my still worker (from my On the "Polarity" and "Polarization" articles post, sorry for spamming this link ). But different: stillworkers don't want balance, since the entanglement of balancing is an obstacle to transcendance.

[munish]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

I can totally relate to what Steve described in this post. I've met one of them. I thought of that guy and knew exactly what Steve was talking about.

They are every where , not just that one guy.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

right now, there is an unhealthy excess of darkworkers.

We need to be much more vigilant about these Darkworkers (Suckers) ,and save our energy.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

A simple example of the darkworker connection strategy:

Was Darth Vader connected?

Absolutely. He didn't isolate himself from others. His connection took the form of control. The more he controlled and dominated, the more connected he was. His Empire was his outlet for connection. He would feel disconnected if he wasn't in power.

He also connected to the dark side of the force and to the Emperor.

Switching polarities at the last minute ultimately killed him. Big mistake for a darkworker.

Steve, I agree that polarities exist. I also agree that one can dedicate themselves towards loved based actions versus fear based actions.

Here's why I struggle with the label....
Star Wars is a movie and so Vader can be 100% dark and he even wears a mask and dark clothes. He's evil, knows he's evil and doesn't mind if everyone knows it. In my life experiences, DWs in real life must hide their dark side in order to have any success in most cases. DWs can wear a suit, they can be preachers, teachers, your brother, mother and so on.

I know that in previous posts that you have mentioned that less than 1% of people are truely either Darkworkers or Lightworkers. I just don't see people as really understanding the rareity of this. Its so difficult for me to feel comfortable with titles that are so rarely achieved. Its also difficult for me to believe that most people have the insight to even know what even their own true intent is.

Can you see readers of your post be disillusioned that they are Lightworkers and then justifying dark decisions as being light? Since most Darkworkers are not wearing vader's costume they would take many actions that looked light but their true intention was actually dark.

People are soooo complex. A person could donate money to a charity and be receiving a tax deduction. They may not even know their true motivation themselves. A person could live their life as a Darkworker and then see they get more positive reinforcement in the public eye when they are seen as a Lightworker. They could then undergo a transformation that would have themselves doing more and more Light things day by day and then receive positive reinforcement for that. The success would verify that they are making the right decision and they could feel great about doing good. The feeling of doing well feeds the Ego also and the side benefits from the rewards can be justified as earned.... The person could call themselves a Lightworker and all signs would check out that they are but that Darkworker could still be buried deep. When that person faces a private decision to sell their house and feed the needy they will justify not selling their house. Afterall they need a place to live and a larger house in which to have an office and store their things. The Lightworker will find that they are making light decisions only when it suits them. The desire to become a lightworker and the desire to justify our actions as light can become blinding...

I see the classifications as the following:
1. 100% Darkworker: In most cases they are unsuccessful. Society will punish them in most cases.
2. Dark Gray workers: More fear based than love based. Some successful, some not..
3. Light Gray workers: More love based than fear based. Half of these people's intent is truely selfish but its hidden behind light actions. The other half's intent is truely giving however they occasionally make dark and self serving decisions based upon maintaining their position. They can justify the action since they are doing good overall.
4. 100% Lightworkers: Also unsuccessful people in most cases, not because society punishes them. Some become successful if they get a book deal or donations. But ultimately their love is so strong that they give it away. They'd rather live modestly so they can give even more.

Steve, you're an intelligent guy. If you search your heart and your soul you'd know what I'm saying is ultimately true. I think you are much more light than I but ultimately the people reading your blog who label themselves a Lightworker should stay humble and realize that they are really Light Gray workers. They should realize that being Light is not entitled but it is earned. It is earned daily through their actions. If its their goal to be a 100% Lightworker then they should be less judgemental and less quick to label another a Darkworker as this passing of judgement is a dark action. They should realize that desire to be Light feeds the Ego. This is a like a drug and any action which feeds the Ego is a dark action.

[shnu]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

I know that in previous posts that you have mentioned that less than 1% of people are truely either Darkworkers or Lightworkers. I just don't see people as really understanding the rareity of this. Its so difficult for me to feel comfortable with titles that are so rarely achieved. Since 99% of people are shades of gray wouldn't they be Greyworkers?

I think that one is not any kind of flow worker unless one has identified a life purpose and committed to it. That's the filter that excludes 99%.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

Steve, I agree that polarities exist. I also agree that one can dedicate themselves towards loved based actions versus fear based actions.

Here's my challenge...
Star Wars is a movie and so Vader can be 100% dark and even look dark. DWs in real life must hide their darkside in order to have any success in most cases. DWs can wear a suit, they can be preachers, teachers, your brother, mother and so on.

I know that in previous posts that you have mentioned that less than 1% of people are truely either Darkworkers or Lightworkers. I just don't see people as really understanding the rareity of this. Its so difficult for me to feel comfortable with titles that are so rarely achieved. Since 99% of people are shades of gray wouldn't they be Greyworkers?

Can you see readers of your post be disillusioned that they are Lightworkers and then justifying dark decisions as being light? Since most Darkworkers are not wearing vader's costume they would take many actions that looked light but their true intention was actually dark.

People are soooo complex. A person could donate money to a charity and be receiving a tax deduction. They may not even know their true motivation themselves.

I definitely think that you are more qualified to call yourself a Lightworker than me or than almost every one that will read this. I would even go so far as to say that a true LW or DW would be much less than 1%.

4. 100% Lightworkers: Also unsuccessful people in most cases, not because society punishes them. Some become successful if they get a book deal or donations. But ultimately their love is so strong that they give it away. They'd rather live modestly so they can give even more.

I think that his posts are merely to shine light upon the possibility.

I'd say that 2-3% of the people that read Steve's posts actually write on the boards, and that maybe there are a few light and or darkworkers here on the boards and maybe a few hundred that read Steve's blog. I don't think there's a cusp at which you move from lightworker to darkworker either, it's more of a concept to work towards for personal growth.

These are elite personal growth concepts, imho, for those who have tackled the little things in the gray and want to move towards the top. I'm happy to just be aware of the possibility; you don't necessarily have to be one.

Steve talks about NPCs; he adds no negative or positive connotation, however. I don't mind being the guy who helps everyone to smile; I don't NEED to polarize to do this, but if I did, I could probably produce 1,000x more smiles per day.

100% lightworkers are unsuccessful in your eyes because you're speaking monetarily. Mother Theresa would laugh at the idea that she was unsuccessful because of her lack of monetary worth. They accept something more than money, and their needs are ALWAYS met.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by yossarian

Fear is all about level of consciousness. Once a darkworker reaches a high level of consciousness like Genghis Khan, he isn't motivated by fear. He becomes motivated by love of self.

love of self is not being conscious. I don't see how DWs can go for high levels of consciousness. there is always fear running for a DW or there's no way to define DW. To say a DW can drop fear does not hold up to what a DW is. Once one drops fear one does not act selfishly.

Yoda was speaking the truth when he said, "Fear is the path to the darkside." But notice that it's only the PATH, not the deep-level motivation. If you're a darkworker who continues to be afraid and doesn't learn to master your fear, you will always be a slave to other darkworkers who can master their fear.

mastering fear of a DW turns them into LWs.

The Emperor in Star Wars, or Genghis Khan in real life, are basically what you could call fully enlightened darkworkers who act out of a very intense and pure love of self.

DWs can not be enlightened - they don't care about the gaia or even think about it.

You can certainly attain enlightenment on the left-hand path, but the paradox is that once you do, you realize that All Is One and you instantly and willingly reverse your polarity and re-unite with the positive.

once you realize all is one - would not enter a DWs mind set. one has to be growing in the LW direction to see all is one.

All roads lead to unification with the One Creator, who has no polarity, and exists in all things. Of course this is truly eons away for us - we're talking trillions of years of evolution here. How do you want to spend the next trillion years? Dominating people through an intense love-of-self in separation-consciousness, or unifying with people in compassion and love and the glory of Christ-consciousness?

It's an easy choice for me.

it's an easy choice because that's the only direction consciousness goes for awareness. if one goes down the DW path one does dont have the mind set for becoming more conscious or aware of the bigger picture. the DW caves into their self and doesn't look around except to make sure what is thought of as "other" doesn't get in their way.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Andreas

Something really CLICKED in my when I read the part about finding my own tribe. I realized that that is one of the reasons my motivation is suffering lately. In my current state, I am essentially tribeless. I need to find my tribe, and I even have a plan.

Thank you so much for these articles, Steve!

finding your tribe is another version of identifying with a self. in this case the self becomes people like yourself. then we can have fights and DW tribes against other DW tribes. I suppose it can stop at the level of the earth - that would be the best tribe to want to feel part of.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by Sam988

I don't agree with you. Who said that polarizing/moving to the DW path is easier?


For LW you don't have to challenge many widespread beliefs, for DW you have to.

Our culture largely suggests that LW is good and DW is evil, bad. You have to have a pretty open mind to challenge all those "common sense" beliefs. And as a DW you have to be constantly hiding your true beliefs and intentions because you obviously don't want others to know about it. But when LWing, you can be more genuine, which requires much less energy than a DW that can only show his true self under an anonymous figure (like on these forums) or among his closest peers.

Mediocrity, timidity, and denial are rampant beliefs and practices that both darkworkers and lightworkers must shed on their path to greatness. I'd say that helps to even the scales.

In addition, our culture largely suggests that LW is bad and DW is bad. If you're strongly in support of something (an activist) you're a loon, or obsessive compulsive, or some other nomenclature used to negatively identify over-achievers depending on how you approach the issue.

There are few successful people who are openly embraced as role models that rose to success through benevolent means. The successful people who rose to success and now show flaws are also shamelessly sprawled across tabloids and ridiculed for things that should be of no concern of those reading (apparel? physical shape? who are we to judge?)

"Our culture" right now seems to be geared towards being in the middle. I think Steve is just shining more light on the fact that there are people out there who aren't being publicized but are making strong impacts on their surroundings.

To the second bolded point, I think darkworkers can let their dreams and aspirations show, just not their motives. This is not difficult to do whatsoever and can be done without lying.

Do I want to live the lifestyle of someone who makes $10k a month doing web design for 10 hours a week? Yes. Would I take cutthroat action to get there? How do you know, and how would you find out? I'll still just look like some guy who is trying to expand and market his web deisgn skills.

People are often so concerned about themselves (myself included) that they fail to realize or even consider the motives of others. Darkworkers can very well use this to their benefit.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Dave Kaminski

I think that his posts are merely to shine light upon the possibility.

I'd say that 2-3% of the people that read Steve's posts actually write on the boards, and that maybe there are a few light and or darkworkers here on the boards and maybe a few hundred that read Steve's blog. I don't think there's a cusp at which you move from lightworker to darkworker either, it's more of a concept to work towards for personal growth.

These are elite personal growth concepts, imho, for those who have tackled the little things in the gray and want to move towards the top. I'm happy to just be aware of the possibility; you don't necessarily have to be one.

Steve talks about NPCs; he adds no negative or positive connotation, however. I don't mind being the guy who helps everyone to smile; I don't NEED to polarize to do this, but if I did, I could probably produce 1,000x more smiles per day.

100% lightworkers are unsuccessful in your eyes because you're speaking monetarily. Mother Theresa would laugh at the idea that she was unsuccessful because of her lack of monetary worth. They accept something more than money, and their needs are ALWAYS met.

I did not say that 100% Lightworkers are unsuccessful in my eyes. They are more successful in my eyes. I look up to and revere them. I am saying that they are unsuccessful in "societies eyes"

How many people have said "I don't understand Darkworkers?" or "I am a Lightworker"... Really you are?

Lets have Steve take a poll on how many people proclaim to be Light, vs Dark, vs Light Gray , Vs Dark Gray. I think that would be very interesting...

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by shnu

I think that one is not any kind of flow worker unless one has identified a life purpose and committed to it. That's the filter that excludes 99%.

Its Steve's quote that said 1% are Lightworkers or Darkworkers not me...

Also, how many people say "Its my life's purpose to be a Darkworker" and then commit to it?

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

1. 100% Darkworker: In most cases they are unsuccessful. Society will punish them in most cases.

Look up the word prudence.

[BringTheDarkness]

I'm going to throw a few more cents in to this thread although my "gut instinct" is telling me I'm probably wasting my time.

I am one who follows the path of darkness. And I do this intentionally.

The first point of discussion I want to bring up here is that my "cosmology", for want of a different term, is significantly different than Steve's and also different from your standard STS/STO ideas that have proliferated on the web.

With that being said I absolutely ABHOR the terms lightworker/darkworker. The reason for this is because due to the inability of most people to really THINK about what they are doing/saying plus the inability of most to have a well-defined will (to actually polarize), the two preceding terms have a build-in bias. These terms mean many different things to many different people, hence the discussion here tends to go off on tangents.

So let me describe my thinking.

I use more "traditional" occult terms to describe my cosmology so I am going to refer to Left-Hand path as Darkworking, and Right-Hand path to refer to Lightworking.

One place that I differ greatly from what I guess you could call "traditional" thinking (especially regarding RHP thinking) is that I do NOT think both paths are equal at the end of the day. By this I mean that I do NOT think that all is ONE or connected UNLESS by choice.

In my way of thinking the CHOICE of the RHP (lightworker) is to eventually reach Nirvana; to merge with the one, or the all.

As a follower of the LHP however, I DO NOT want to be ONE with everything. I do NOT want to lose my consciousness (not ego, ego dies with the body as far as I'm concerned). I CHOOSE to be separate. I don't want to be in Nirvana. I don't want to lose the identification of self that happens with the RHP/lightworker.

Many will label this as evil; so be it.

Now most people don't polarize. Look at all the wish-washiness that happens in this thread. Most people are like a pendulum; the keep swinging back and forth because they have no will (see Gurdjieff & Ouspensky).

One day they are pissed and hate the world, the next day they meet a new girl and then are happy, she sleeps with someone else they are depressed now etc.

This is how most live their lives blowing around like dust in the wind.

I know, because I used to be that way.

But I realized that there was a flame in me. Something that was DIFFERENT (and I must admit, better) than many of those around me.

For a while, I walked the "light" (RHP).

For me, it seemed to end in oblivion. I didn't want to merge with God.

I wanted to remain isolated and separate to keep building my knowledge and power and KEEP them after death as a separate consciousness.

Now, on to the "ethics".

I have a very complex system of ethics. Even though I am polarizing LHP, I don't just wander around doing whatever I want to fulfill whatever whims I have.

That isn't polarization. That is Hedonism. The Church of Satan tried that approach, and it didn't work out too well because at the end of the day, you have to have ethics AND spirituality.

I have both.

Do I turn the other cheek? F no I don't. If someone injures a loved one, would I destroy them? Hell yes I would (pardon the Bon Mot). I've done it before. Note that I obey ALL laws. I don't even speed. Even though I walk the dark, hidden path my ethics don't allow me to break laws.

Do I just indiscriminately run around cursing the guy who cut me off in traffic? No. Because I am developing my will and my being, therefore I am not just "blowing around in the wind". I only stomp those who intentionally hurt me (or try to) at a severe level.

Contrary to what seems to be the prevalent idea among LW'ers I DO feel all kinds of love. In fact, the further I go along this path the HAPPIER I feel.

Literally.

These are some of my thoughts on this discussion. INTELLIGENT discourse is welcome.

BTD

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by Plato

Look up the word prudence.

A prudent person would not be a Darkworker. They would be some shade of gray or light.

Look up the word "absolute"

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by BringTheDarkness

I'm going to throw a few more cents in to this thread although my "gut instinct" is telling me I'm probably wasting my time.

yeah, probably a waste of time these ideas.

One place that I differ greatly from what I guess you could call "traditional" thinking (especially regarding RHP thinking) is that I do NOT think both paths are equal at the end of the day. By this I mean that I do NOT think that all is ONE or connected UNLESS by choice.

In my way of thinking the CHOICE of the RHP (lightworker) is to eventually reach Nirvana; to merge with the one, or the all.

this merging doesn't mean you loose your identity and have no sense of your self and a person. it does mean that you are not lulled into being asleep about the illusion of personal self identifications. once an illusion is known to be an illusion it still will be there (as an illusion) but the need to cling to it for being happy or to take it personal is gone.

As a follower of the LHP however, I DO NOT want to be ONE with everything. I do NOT want to lose my consciousness (not ego, ego dies with the body as far as I'm concerned). I CHOOSE to be separate. I don't want to be in Nirvana. I don't want to lose the identification of self that happens with the RHP/lightworker.

some say you can have both a nirvana and a little self. when one gains oneness there is a self that is experiencing oneness and that identity is just a interface for the bigger consciousness of all. to lose consciousness of the ego brings consciousness of oneness that is the real deal trying to live through us anyway.

Many will label this as evil; so be it.

Now most people don't polarize. Look at all the wish-washiness that happens in this thread. Most people are like a pendulum; the keep swinging back and forth because they have no will (see Gurdjieff & Ouspensky).

sometimes these ideas of one needs to figure out how to polarize makes one go on a wild goose chase instead of just learning how to tune in or feel alive or something more holistic than being stuck in our heads analyzing what our motivations are and if they are pure enough or something.

or that there's some elitist mentality to "getting it" - there are those that are polarized and are "better off". Why is that? why be told we must polarize to achieve. it's a judgment and complicated analysis that hinders more than a pointing to a way.

One day they are pissed and hate the world, the next day they meet a new girl and then are happy, she sleeps with someone else they are depressed now etc.

This is how most live their lives blowing around like dust in the wind.

that's just being stuck in habitual behaviour.

I know, because I used to be that way.

But I realized that there was a flame in me. Something that was DIFFERENT (and I must admit, better) than many of those around me.

For a while, I walked the "light" (RHP).

For me, it seemed to end in oblivion. I didn't want to merge with God.

again - not all ideas of being awake make it oblivion - actually they are alivening of the soul coursing through us.

I wanted to remain isolated and separate to keep building my knowledge and power and KEEP them after death as a separate consciousness.

do you want to remain isolated to any harm you may do along this path?

Now, on to the "ethics".

I have a very complex system of ethics. Even though I am polarizing LHP, I don't just wander around doing whatever I want to fulfill whatever whims I have.

That isn't polarization. That is Hedonism. The Church of Satan tried that approach, and it didn't work out too well because at the end of the day, you have to have ethics AND spirituality.

I have both.

Do I turn the other cheek? F no I don't. If someone injures a loved one, would I destroy them? Hell yes I would (pardon the Bon Mot). I've done it before. Note that I obey ALL laws. I don't even speed. Even though I walk the dark, hidden path my ethics don't allow me to break laws.

Do I just indiscriminately run around cursing the guy who cut me off in traffic? No. Because I am developing my will and my being, therefore I am not just "blowing around in the wind". I only stomp those who intentionally hurt me (or try to) at a severe level.

fight fire with fire.

Contrary to what seems to be the prevalent idea among LW'ers I DO feel all kinds of love. In fact, the further I go along this path the HAPPIER I feel.

it's ivory tower to have love without feeling connected to source. happiness placed on the conditions of form will crumble and flip flop.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

Also, how many people say "Its my life's purpose to be a Darkworker" and then commit to it?

I've met far more darkworkers than lightworkers. Tons and tons of people are socialized to believe that their purpose in life is to be as selfish as possible. They don't call it darkworking but it's the exact same thing..

Look at our modern thoughts on capitalism - people truly believe that it's a virtue to be as selfish as possible. People in America are brainwashed to believe that selfishness is the best way to help the world, so they focus intensely on their selfishness, harm people in their path, destroy the environment, etc etc.. this is par for the course.

Most people who are considered highly successful by mainstream society are darkworkers. People like Donald Trump - that guy had no qualms about anything if it will boost his ego and increase his wealth, power and the number of worshippers he has. And Donald Trump is highly admired throughout society..

Conversely, lightworkers who become famous among the mainstream often end up assassinated - John Lennon, Martin Luther King Jr, Mohandas Gandhi, John Kennedy, Abe Lincoln, Princess Diana...

Is it just a coincidence that lightworkers who draw the admiration of the mainstream end up prematurely dead?

I fear for Obama's life if he wins the Presidency.. but then again maybe he's a wolf in sheep's clothing