Are Darkworkers Evil? (Blog)

[Jonathan Mead]

Do you think there's any correlation between darkworkers and psychopaths? I mean, psychopaths haven't really consciously chose darkworking, but they seem to fit the bill pretty accurately.

[MasterD]

That's a motivating message Steve.

In my experience at some point you become aware of the greater perspective and there just isn't a way to return being a darkworker. Something has shifted and you would continually feel that you are doing the wrong thing and that you should shift your powers to the light side.

I too have this, this feeling that I wish I never got myself into spiritual books, because then it would be 'OK' to be a darkworker, but my sister gave me "The Power of Now" for my birthday and so I read it. It would be so much easier to just go for my own personal gain instead of finding my spiritual task. But on the other hand, I would not want to live without the perspective on life I have now, because eventually I would have to make the shift.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Dave Kaminski

When I put my darkworker goggles on, it seems to me that 'Evil' is something made up, considering the only things I really know are objective (when I'm wearing darkworker goggles of course). This is a large problem for me. I feel that I'd be conscious, in this situation, of what you'd see as evil, yet I wouldn't feel that it was evil.

Just because you judge me for something doesn't mean I'll feel guilty about it; If I take an apple back that you took from me, I wouldn't necessarily feel that it was stolen. You may, however, purport that I stole it. I would, of course, feel no wrong doing. (Takes off DW goggles)

I like this. The DW will see the apple as something that must be either mine or yours and the LW probably thinks there are plenty of apples. The LW may just be confused of the behavior of a DW and wonder what they believe and probably not have much of a reaction because the LW is not threatened by feeling there is only one apple.

I'll say most of us have that DW feeling out of being in this world at this time. It's been brainwashed. And if you take the DW into the idetification with form - then it's really the struggle of transcendance and all the DW/LW is just relabeling spiritual ideas of ego/oneness - not duality.

DW=duality
LW=oneness

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I can see very clearly that lightworking and darkworking are both equally valid paths of conscious growth. When you pick a side and stick with it, you begin attracting a lot more energy into your life and a lot of fascinating experiences. You also attract others of similar polarity, sometimes as mentors.

how can a DW be a conscious path when they ignore the bigger picture of being connected? operate out of isolation and constricting fear - how does that promote consciousness? it may promote ego consciousness but not awareness of Being.

[Steve Pavlina]

Originally Posted by HealingMaven

"Is a darkworker evil? From the perspective of a lightworker or from non-polarized people, you could say yes." Sure sounds judgmental to me. I grant you, with the word "could" he left wiggle room... but... not a lot of it. I do not honestly believe I've taken this out of context.

Actually you are taking it out of context because you're attaching your own judgment to the word evil. I don't share your judgment in this case.

When I use the word evil, it's just an adjective to describe a certain self-centered frame of mind, being willing to harm others for personal gain.

I don't mean the term in a derogatory or scornful context. Many darkworkers would consider the term a compliment. If you say to a true darkworker, "You are evil!" you might here the response, "Why... thank you!" Telling a darkworker s/he is evil is like saying, "You are wise and intelligent. I'm in awe of your power."

So when I say that darkworkers are evil, I mean it in the nicest possible way.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

how can a DW be a conscious path when they ignore the bigger picture of being connected? operate out of isolation and constricting fear - how does that promote consciousness? it may promote ego consciousness but not awareness of Being.

The question is Steve; when you were in your 'darkworking' stage; were you aware of the bigger picture; of being connected? I doubt it. I think it is very hard to be really aware of this and still consciously choose the darkworking path. You would constantly sabotage yourself and indeed, what you describe, mix your energies and you will not get anything done anymore which forces you to work on the light side, because that is the only sustainable path.

[Blaiserboy]

Steve

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[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

DW=duality
LW=oneness

I would disagree. The DW/LW idea is dualistic. Oneness, enlightenment, realization are beyond this.

Steve has even said that he does not find enlightenment entirely useful. So i think Steve is talking about being highly conscious, but not about being enlightened or one.

[Still Growing]

Originally Posted by shnu

I think the light vs. dark (vs. NPC) thing is obscuring what's going on with Steve's account. In the first place there are life's purpose, and the awareness that comes from making a commitment to one's purpose. The point about polarity is a secondary concept, which is meant to understand problems one might have when executing on that commitment; that is, the syndromes.

But polarity does not exist in a pure form: no-one truly makes a commitment to "light" in a pure form, rather, it's all about how one tries to live one's purpose in your life. The whole talk of light- versus dark- aligned without any talk of what purposes these aligned people are committing to is a bit unreal.

Thats my entire argument. Steve and others make the label of Lightworker sound all encompassing. They don't limit the discription to just a general job choice or a general intent.

ALL PEOPLE ARE SHADES OF GRAY... Some lighter and some darker...
People are also dynamic and can change or they can also make independent decisions that are light or dark.

I agree that one can be Enlightened, love based, and focus on serving the overall good. In my experiences, most unsuccessful people are takers. If you notice its people who give the most that receive the most. I can see this power clearly. For those that are not enlightened they think that if you take you'll gain. To somehow create a label called Darkworker and then call it an equal power of polarity I would disagree with completely. The power of love based thought is more likely to bring you success.

People who are fear based have to bite their tongue and pose as love based and to give simply to have any success whatsoever. This blows the theory right out of the water.

Humans have an overwhelming and extreme desire to create labels and to take very complex subjects and filter things to fit the label; this much is clear.

[Steve Pavlina]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

how can a DW be a conscious path when they ignore the bigger picture of being connected? operate out of isolation and constricting fear - how does that promote consciousness? it may promote ego consciousness but not awareness of Being.

The darkworker seeks to connect by injecting his/her energy into this reality. The thought is, "This is my domain to do with as I please. I am God here."

A darkworker isn't caught up in low-level ego identification. A darkworker sees the world like a dream reality that can be remade to suit the darkworker's desires.

A darkworker prefers to connect by controlling.

For example, in a personal relationship an effective darkworker will seek to totally dominate his/her partner, not necessarily physically but psychologically. The darkworker will retain all the power in the relationship.

[Steve Pavlina]

Originally Posted by MasterD

The question is Steve; when you were in your 'darkworking' stage; were you aware of the bigger picture; of being connected? I doubt it. I think it is very hard to be really aware of this and still consciously choose the darkworking path. You would constantly sabotage yourself and indeed, what you describe, mix your energies and you will not get anything done anymore which forces you to work on the light side, because that is the only sustainable path.

As a darkworker you still feel connected -- very connected -- but it's different than when you're a lightworker.

A darkworker feels connected to a great source of power and energy, and that power provides a feeling tremendous freedom.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

how can a DW be a conscious path when they ignore the bigger picture of being connected? operate out of isolation and constricting fear - how does that promote consciousness? it may promote ego consciousness but not awareness of Being.

If you'll notice in Steve's quote he calls it a conscious path for PERSONAL GROWTH. Darkworkers would not care about being connected if they didn't need to be in order to grow.

Is that not the inherent view of the darkworker? Why waste time on it if it will not improve my personal situation. Being connected is an albatross to a darkworker, unless he can siphon their pleasure and disregard their pain, or the pleasure outweighs the pain enough to be justified.

Agree/Disagree?

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

As a darkworker you still feel connected -- very connected -- but it's different than when you're a lightworker.

A darkworker feels connected to a great source of power and energy, and that power provides a feeling of tremendous freedom.

Ok; there you go.

I think I am starting to grasp it. I can identify with the feelings of a darkworker. You almost feel like a god who can take over this world. However, when I have this feeling at some stage lightworker thoughts start to creep in.

As a lightworker you still feel like you can be an enormous influence and be in a position of great power, but that's a means to an end, not the end itself. Further, a lightworker, wouldn't be attached to that position, if somebody else could do it better, that would be fine.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Ok; there you go.

I think I am starting to grasp it.

When I am starting out as a darkworker (making enormous amounts of money; not necessarily by adding value to people's life at this moment in time), in order to gain power so that I can become a lightworker later. What does that make me; a darkworker or a lightworker? I would say, a lightworker, but there would be some conflicts.

I think if you did this consciously, you would be neither. I think it's possible to go from one polarization to another, but isn't that wasteful?

If you work hard to polarize to dark/light (and I've been working at it, it's a bit of work) why would you waste all that energy (if you're going to polarize you already know you don't want to waste any time/energy) going back from one to the other? The effort to un-polarize would be difficult, then trying to move in the other direction is more effort.

I think a true light or darkworker would make this distinction before wasting any time beginning, as the unnecessary loss of momentum would be very offputting.

[Steve Pavlina]

A simple example of the darkworker connection strategy:

Was Darth Vader connected?

Absolutely. He didn't isolate himself from others. His connection took the form of control. The more he controlled and dominated, the more connected he was. His Empire was his outlet for connection. He would feel disconnected if he wasn't in power.

He also connected to the dark side of the force and to the Emperor.

Switching polarities at the last minute ultimately killed him. Big mistake for a darkworker.

[MasterD]

Sometimes I wish being a darkworker would be totally OK. That it would feel ethical to me; just like it does for so many people. It would be so cool to play God and go for enormous personal gain. It would be a very cool adventure game. But it doesn't feel OK anymore, so I have to choose the other path (which is still a very cool adventure game, just another genre).

[Steve Pavlina]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Sometimes I wish being a darkworker would be totally OK. That it would feel ethical to me; just like it does for so many people. It would be so cool to play god and go for enormous personal gain. It would be a very cool adventure game. But it doesn't feel OK anymore, so I have to choose the other path.

It is a conscious choice to be made. Once the choice is made, your feelings begin to align with your choice.

Recognize that you have absolute freedom to decide either way. That's the nature of this reality. Neither path is right or wrong in an absolute sense.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Sometimes I wish being a darkworker would be totally OK. That it would feel ethical to me; just like it does for so many people. It would be so cool to play god and go for enormous personal gain. It would be a very cool adventure game. But it doesn't feel OK anymore, so I have to choose the other path.

If you choose the 'other path' (there are more than two) out of fear or because there is 'no other option' you probably will not polarize.

If that's really what you wish, go for it. If you're a darkworker, you won't care what's ethical, because the choice of your own personal ethics is exactly that - a choice.

Pick what's evil to you and what isn't. When I play poker, I tell people I'm better than they are, and I take their money. I don't feel badly because I told them right out; it was entertainment from there on in because they were aware of the consequences I had set for their participation.

It IS cool to 'play god' and you get to do that on both sides of the ball. It's like the game Black and White; do you want them to worship you and give you everything you want, or do you want them to be happy and get everything they want?

There is no morality in that former question. It is simply a choice. You pick!!! Isn't it exciting!?

Either screw what everyone else thinks, or embrace it!!!

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

It is a conscious choice to be made. Once the choice is made, your feelings begin to align with your choice.

Recognize that you have absolute freedom to decide either way. That's the nature of this reality. Neither path is right or wrong in an absolute sense.

Wow. This is tempting.

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Wow. This is tempting.

Sounds to me like you already know the answer. If somewhere down the line you decide it's not for you, you can always try to go for the other side. I would be careful at the speed of which you do so, though, as Steve advised Darth Vader to do if he's reading this in a new life (who knows, it could be me or you ).

[MasterD]

I can imagine what would happen if I would throw out all my spiritual books and just read personal gain books. If I would start a business and started selling shitty supplements for a huge amount of money, etc.. etc.. It would work. I know it; but somehow it doesn't feel right for me; there would always be a nagging feeling of wanting to return to the light side (but now there is a nagging feeling of wondering what would happen if I would work on the dark side).

Thinking about success achieve by Donald Trump or Warren Buffet energizes me like crazy; though I am not sure I would categorize them as darkworkers.

I also really like the idea of having a personal (lightworking) vision for the world and in order to realize this vision you need power and money and so you get it in order to support your personal vision. That would definitely be lightworking, though it might appear as darkworking (though there is always the choice of making money by adding true value or by ripping people of).