Are Darkworkers Evil? (Blog)

[MasterD]

Isn't a lightworker just more in touch with real consciousness and sees the great perspective and a darkworker very ego-driven; but when a darkworker would become conscious of his ego he would move towards being a lightworker?

[Dave Kaminski]

Originally Posted by MasterD

Isn't a lightworker just more in touch with real consciousness and sees the great perspective and a darkworker very ego-driven; but when a darkworker would become conscious of his ego he would move towards being a lightworker?

I think the lightworker more identifies with what you're calling "real consciousness" while the darkworker identifies with what you're calling "ego."

It's deeper than this, I think. The darkworker sees what you're understanding to be the "ego" as the only real thing and then uses what you call "real consciousness" to his "ego's" advantage. The lightworker does the opposite, he uses the "ego" to empower the "real consciousness."

In the television show Futurama, Fry is conflicted because he finds out his best friend is the person that stole the expensive cargo he was delivering that was stolen. When confronting his friend, Bender, about the auspices of good and evil, (something along the lines of "How can I ever choose between Good and Evil!?") Bender replies "Uh, they're both fine choices. Take your pick!"

A darkworker can be conscious of his "ego"; better yet, a darkworker is DEFINITELY conscious of his "ego." Darkworkers CHOOSE to embrace this ego. Lightworkers CHOOSE to embrace "real consciousness." Don't be good because everyone wants or expects you to be, because trust me, most of them do not even attempt to hold themselves to their own standards. If you're going to be 'evil,' you may as well embrace it for what it is and wield it artfully.

[Blaiserboy]

I feel that our world will benefit greatly as this topic spreads and becomes more popular...

Each time I open this thread and glance through the posts, I have a brief look at myself and see some aspects of myself that can be modified...

Great Stuff......!!!!!!!!

Have a great day, everyone..............!!

[shnu]

Wow. A lot of replies so quickly: this one obviously touched a chord out there...

T.A. Harris' enormously successful I'm OK, You're OK characterises the "I'm OK, You're not OK" orientation in very similar terms to Steve's characterisation of darkworkers. He picks out the child born into a loveless home environment as being particularly at risk of identifying with this sociopathic orientation.

The whole "light, dark, or NPC" reminds me of David Shrigley's drawing:


It's art, no, really...

[shnu]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

Genghis was not in it just for himself. He was in it for his clan. A darkworker can have a sense of self that includes a group of people that makes everyone else the "others".

I'd guess that Genghis was motivated by personal pride and martial honour, which seem to be the kind of inflow concepts that go to make a good darkworker. Shaka Zulu would be another figure in this mould, and one who did a better job of forging a tribe that prospered after his death (which, after all, adds to his kudos posthumously).

But to align strongly with a life purpose of "for the greatest good of my clan"? That seems to me to be a life purpose inconsistent with being either a lightworker (when your clans interests slash with others, then those other interests are as of nothing to you), or being a darkworker (one behaves altruitically to members of one's clan, putting their interests ahead of one's egoistic interests). Solon, architect of Athenian democracy, might be a good example: he could have ruled as a tyrant, but instead he gave Athenian's freedoms and enshrined these in laws. He could have pursued peace with Athen's neighbours, but he chose to use both peace and war to advance Athen's cause. I think he was a high awareness individual who chose neither light nor dark.

[demk]

I have this feeling that this question can only really be answered after you experience the Truth in a full blown, outside-time-and-space, good old fashioned revelation! Maybe when you get that this is a dream and the only point of it is to wake up you realise that you can do what you want because when its all over the entire thing dissapears anyway. This doesnt mean that the laws of cause and effect the dream works on no longer affect you, so if you steal a load of money the obvious will happen and you will most likely end up in jail (or maybe there is some difference when you are the one who knows because its not your hell created by the ego enymore, its just a dream and it doesnt matter).

Most people would find this morally repugnant and actually as condoning terrible acts. I just don't think that anybody who gets the truth that it is all them would ever hurt themselves though. Who knows, maybe the One Mind is a masachist...it seems that way anyway sometimes lol.

I always wonder about whether certain rappers and celebrities know the truth and are just living out their "happy dream" as the course puts it. Pharrell William's band N*E*R*D stands for No-one Ever Really Dies, which is very similar to the philosphical realisation that there is no death you get when you learn the Truth and take a step out of the cave as Plato would put it. Jay-Z wrote a song called beach chair, the lyrics go like this...

My physical's a shell
So when I say farewell
My soul will find a even
Higher plane to dwell
So fly you shall
So have no fear, just know that
Life is but a beach chair

and also...

Life is but a dream
Can't mimic my life
I'm the thinnest cut slice
Intercut, the winner's cup
But winter's rough enough
To interrupt life
That's why I'm both
Saint & sinner (nice)
This is Jay everyday
No compromise
No compass comes with this life
Just eyes
So to map it out
You must look inside
Sure books can guide you
But your heart defines you
Chica
The Corazón is what brought us home
In great shape like Heidi Klum
Maricon, I am on
Permanent Vaca
Life is but a beach chair
This song is like a Hallmark card
Until you reach here
So till she's here
And she's declared
The heir
I will prepare
A blueprint for you to print
A map for you to get back
A guide for your eyes
And so you won't lose scent
I'll make a stink for you to think
I ink these verses full of prose
So you won't get coned out of 2 cent
My last will and testament I leave my heir
My share of Roc-A-Fella Records and a shiny new beach chair

Notice the reference to non-duality in being both the "saint and sinner" simultaneously. Also, the whole idea of a map to get back which obviously refers getting back to your True Self so you can sit on the beach (Beach Chair meaning happy dream as ACIM would put it).

I'm certainly not condoning any behaviour that hurts another person but maybe things arent as serious as they appear to be here. I still think the effect of hurting another person is that you hurt yourself in some way so I don't advise it at all. Maybe there is a way to be a darkworker and give to yourself selfishly without the laws of Karma effecting you if you are highly conscious and beyond the ego entirely i.e. you KNOW it is a dream. Service just seems a much better path to Truth because selfishlness may only work when you know the Truth completely (if it ever works at all).

Any Darkworkers who are living in paradise please stand up...

[Still Growing]

I am completely against the label of Lightworker or Darkworker and think that we are all gray. I don't see people standing up to proclaim to be a Darkworker but you do see people proud to be Lightworkers. It makes them feel good doesn't it?

There is so much Irony to it all.

A typical Lightworker would say the following:
I am a lightworker and I always make choices based out of love and for the greater good of all. If I make a decision that benefits me but hurts you then I can explain how it benefits the majority. I work in a profession that enables me to help others and I am very successful and make a lot of money. I don't give this money away because money buys me time and that time enables me to give more to the majority. Don't you see, I'm a Lightworker and you are a Darkworker. I'm special, giving, caring and sharing and you are not. You Darkworkers only care about yourself and what you get out of it. Your decisions are based upon your benefit and not the benefit of the majority. I know, I know, we make the same money and donate the same money but your intentions are for yourself and I can see it.

The above is a the story of a typical "Self Proclaimed" Lightworker. They can't loose...

Now who in their freaking right mind would not be a Lightworker when you have hypocrisy on your side..?

If someone is a taker and is a darker shade of gray and the whole world knows it then that person is succeeding in despite of themselves. If that darker shade of gray person started acting like a lighter shade of gray person they'd be even more successful. All successful people give some sort of value and the person receiving that value rewards the person giving the value money. Success can be boiled down to this simple statement. Thats why you do see negative successful people and also positive successful people. Both have identified some value that they can give.... It would almost be very difficult to label someone a successful Darkworker. The Darkworker would have to take Lightworker type actions to even maintain anytype of reputation or base of support.

From the way I see it, only Lightworkers have any benefit in calling someone else a Darkworker or by calling themselves a Lightworker. That by its very nature would want the self proclaimed Lightworker to take even more actions that would make them appear to be a Lightworker... I am now a vegan or I will now start donating money. Know anybody like this???

Hence they would find new and clever ways to separate themselves as being Light. This inevitble evolution could be more appropriately labeled as "Enlightened". I could more easily buy the label "Enlightened" or "Non Enlightened" but to have a Yen and Yang scale with polarity and then to claim that you can harness both sides is hard to do. Unless its in a Star Wars movie...

[tekomino]

Steve views are based on narrow understanding of the world. Steve has not traveled outside of USA. He does not have perspective. He grew up in extremely comfortable and abundant society. He does not know hardship. Don't mention his jail stint, jail in US is better place to be than street in some African countries.

You can talk about eating vegetarian diet when you can go out and purchase your organic food. But how many animals have been killed while ground was plowed for your organic food? And aren't vegetables living things too?

Animals kill to eat, the nature is built that way. Its design even controls over-population of species. There is nothing wrong with that, it is how it is.

You can wax about light/dark workers nonsense when you don't worry what your kids will eat for lunch. When you don't worry about being killed when you step out on the street, or just sit in your home. When you do have a home at all...

Do yourself a favor, go travel. See how large portion of this world lives. Visit remote village in India and Africa. Visit a war zone.

It will be very humbling experience.

Until then, your views are based on lottery that you were born in richest country in the world and have access to everything.

[shnu]

Originally Posted by Still Growing

I am completely against the label of Lightworker or Darkworker and think that we are all gray. I don't see people standing up to proclaim to be a Darkworker but you do see people proud to be Lightworkers. It makes them feel good doesn't it?

I think the light vs. dark (vs. NPC) thing is obscuring what's going on with Steve's account. In the first place there are life's purpose, and the awareness that comes from making a commitment to one's purpose. The point about polarity is a secondary concept, which is meant to understand problems one might have when executing on that commitment; that is, the syndromes.

But polarity does not exist in a pure form: no-one truly makes a commitment to "light" in a pure form, rather, it's all about how one tries to live one's purpose in your life. The whole talk of light- versus dark- aligned without any talk of what purposes these aligned people are committing to is a bit unreal.

[MasterD]

Originally Posted by Dave Kaminski

I think the lightworker more identifies with what you're calling "real consciousness" while the darkworker identifies with what you're calling "ego."

It's deeper than this, I think. The darkworker sees what you're understanding to be the "ego" as the only real thing and then uses what you call "real consciousness" to his "ego's" advantage. The lightworker does the opposite, he uses the "ego" to empower the "real consciousness."

A darkworker can be conscious of his "ego"; better yet, a darkworker is DEFINITELY conscious of his "ego." Darkworkers CHOOSE to embrace this ego. Lightworkers CHOOSE to embrace "real consciousness." Don't be good because everyone wants or expects you to be, because trust me, most of them do not even attempt to hold themselves to their own standards. If you're going to be 'evil,' you may as well embrace it for what it is and wield it artfully.

Who is it that chooses to embrace his ego? Is it the darkworkers 'higher self' or is it the darkworker's ego that embraces this tactics?; that would mean that the darkworker is still stuck in a lower level of consciousness, though he (=the ego) recognizes some universal principles which he can use to strengthen his own ego. In my perspective the true definition of a lightworker is someone who does not identify with the ego anymore (at least not solely anymore, he may fall back so every now and then), he has trancended it and sees the greater perspective. A darkworker is still heavily identified with his ego and is just a more dangerous version of a 'normal man' (who would, just as the darkworker, abuse his power if put in a position of great power).

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by tekomino

Animals kill to eat, the nature is built that way. Its design even controls over-population of species. There is nothing wrong with that, it is how it is.

Oh yeah, got to control the cow, and chicken overpopulation. What was i thinking?

Steve isn't talking about people who have to fight to live. He's talking about people who don't have to make the choice b/w Animal products and starvation. He's talking about people who would allow chickens to be debeaked and kept in their own feces to make their own grocery bills smaller, not those who have to make the choice every night whether to kill one of their hens or go hungry.

I think that you have entirely missed the point. Maybe it's just because food is a sensitive subject. There are other examples too.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

If darkworkers did see ourselves as being more interconnected with others, then it’s likely that, well, we wouldn’t fall under the definition of “darkworker”. Selfish people are not (necessarily) stupid or shortsighted, we just understand things a little differently. A person like me can only view himself as an individual, and therefore that’s all that makes sense to me and all of my decisions will be based on that view. This is why a person would choose to polarize as a darkworker, it's the only thing that makes sense to us according to how we understand the world.

Then your sense of self is limited. The connection that everyone used to feel naturally in community is lost in the modern world. We are taught to compete. Polarizing as a darkworker as "the only thing that makes sense according to how we understand the world" - means you lost touch with your sixth sense which would tell you other wise about how the world can be viewed. Most of society is cut off from our sixth sense of feeling connected and then I'd say most NPCs are actually default darkworkers more than asleep lightworkers. If you aren't part of the solution (lightworkers) you are part of the problem - NPC as default darkworkers (most of us)

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by ogrekilleat

"natural" != "good"

"natural" == "part of nature"

humans are a subset of "part of nature"

thus humans are a subset of "natural"

That's all I'm saying. I just don't think the "It isn't natural" argument holds. If you would say something like, "It isn't good", I'd happily agree. But it is natural, because we are part of nature and this is what we naturally do.

we have lost our connection to nature and others. that is what breed selfishness, feeling separate. it is not natural to be out of touch with nature like we are in the human mind.

[Plato]

Originally Posted by Dave Kaminski

A darkworker can be conscious of his "ego"; better yet, a darkworker is DEFINITELY conscious of his "ego." Darkworkers CHOOSE to embrace this ego. Lightworkers CHOOSE to embrace "real consciousness." Don't be good because everyone wants or expects you to be, because trust me, most of them do not even attempt to hold themselves to their own standards. If you're going to be 'evil,' you may as well embrace it for what it is and wield it artfully.

Fabulous

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

Why does everyone seemed to think that because something is natural that it's necessarily “good”? For all of its “naturalness”, nature can be very cruel and indifferent.

if one looks at nature and puts a label on it they are not looking properly. To say nature is cruel and indifferent is to apply the human mind to judge nature. if you look at a lion taking a zebra what do we say about that? that that is "bad"? it's nature. it's lightworking at it's best. we forgot how to act naturally and in harmony with nature. we think we are not part of nature or that we can conquer and control it to make it not just comfortable but make it serve us and we deplete nature instead of working with nature.

But what’s even more amusing is the idea that we humans should care about what’s “natural”. I like artificiality!

then go sit in your a/c room and don't look at trees or the ocean and tell me how healthy you will be without any nature input at all!

And history has shown that humans seem to thrive under conditions which have been customized to suit our needs.

we have a chance to harmonize with nature instead of conquer.

In fact, we practically demand that we live a largely fabricated existence (just look at what we’re doing right now, lol). I agree that nature does have its merits and we must work with it to a certain extent. But just as its can be very beautiful, it can also be harsh and uncomfortable. Love-of-all-things-natural is one of those things that people preach about more than they practice.

love of harmony with nature and knowing how to work with it is great. but to not love it at all and sit in a/c rooms all day and forgot that we are part of it all makes it harder to realize oneness and how to feel connected and whole such that we are default darkworkers.

This tells me that it sounds good in theory, but really isn’t the most preferable choice in practice (notice that when it comes to engaging in natural selection, most people suddenly don’t want to side with the “natural” thing anymore).

It’s a mistake to assume that natural = good.

I'm not sure about natural selection - it's an assumption and there are other ideas that nature is not competing so much as cooperating. but our minds like to see it as competing while nature is cooperating. even when the lion takes the zebra it's a cooperation.

[HealingMaven]

Dear Steve,

I have to say, I'm surprised. You often make me think and sometimes said things I disagree with, but I've never thought that you sounded judgmental before, and I've never been offended by one of your posts before. I truly hope I've misread something.

I was surprised a few days ago at the lightworker post and how condemning it was of "darkworkers." In previous posts on the topic you said that an enlightened dark worker and an enlightened lightworker were virtually the same, that the health of the cell was vital to the body and vice versa. I kept looking for the exception but, no. It sounded surprisingly one-sided. I remember before, you said that an enlightened darkworker is someone you'd rather work with than someone wishy washy, because a) you knew where they stood, and b) an enlightened dark worker knows that what's in everyone's best interest is in his/her own best interest too.

Then I read this post, and am even more surprised and honestly, disappointed in you. It looks to me like you've made the PETA mistake. PETA is often made fun of, even among liberal lefties like me as being completely over the top. I don't like the idea of torturing animals, it's clearly wrong, but the approach PETA people often use is so overblown with emotion and so little logic that they usually come off sounding as nuts as anyone on the extreme right who think that AIDS is god's punishment for being gay. I am especially astonished to hear you comparing eating meat to brutality ("supporting slaughterhouses for pleasure"), and that eating meat automatically makes you a darkworker. I had to read your post several times in order to be sure that I hadn't misread you. It genuinely looks to me like you've joined the One True Way camp, and I'm astonished and disappointed by that. I am incredibly sad to say that you've just lost a great deal of credibility in my eyes.

I am truly happy for you that you've found a diet that makes you happy and feels great for you -- but last I checked, you're not an expert on diet, do not have a degree in medicine, biochemistry, nutrition, etc., to position you as expert in the field of what humans should or should not be eating, or even in divinity, philosophy, or ethics to give you that much of a moral high ground. What works for you is not necessarily the *Right* thing for everyone else. Every human being is different -- different patterns of health, different bodies, sizes, and environments mean different nutritional needs. In my opinion (and I believe, the opinion of most practitioners of Chinese or Ayurvedic medicine), the biggest thing wrong with western medicine is that it is completely One Size Fits All. And I honestly think you just jumped into that camp with both feet.

Just for the record, I do NOT believe I'm a darkworker. (And I do, to a degree, reject your polarization concept.) I honestly believe I have polarized as grey. My larger actions and orientation is generally towards things that make both me and the larger community a better place. Most people would consider me a light worker and until a few years ago I would have agreed. I am a healer, and a generous, loving person by nature. 2 and a half years ago I became a business owner and suddenly had to learn business and as a result feel that I became somewhat more calculated. Everything good I used to do spontaneously now automatically comes with an awareness of what benefits (usually goodwill) that I'll derive. It's disturbing at times, but it is somewhat balanced the converse effect of when I do "selfish" things - dining out, enjoying myself, etc., it comes with an awareness that I'll be smarter and happier when seeing my patients and thus do better work for them.

I deeply hope this post was either thought experiment or experiment in reader reaction.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

As a “darkworker” I see all encompassing goodness as naiveté idealism. Other people are not us! Our human standards of morality are not the universe’s concern and humans made up good and evil to suit our own needs. Good and evil are a mass delusion, not real. The world is a cruel and imperfect place and to survive you must compete in the endless waltz of predator and victim. That’s just how it is. By accepting these dark realities we can use them to our advantage and even enjoy them .

we might have that wrong - that the world is about predator/victim. like you said it's the human's idea of good and evil right there. The predator/victim dance is a actually a cooperation, if one can view the earth as one.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Joeschmoe

The very term "nature" denotes that there is an unnatural. If natural means "of nature" then by definition there must be something that is not of nature, meaning man made. If you are saying we are on planet earth then we are arguing about nothing. If you are saying that factory farming is part of nature then I would hate to see what is unnatural.

I will not say it is bad. It simply is. And it is a destructive human construct. Therefore destructively unnatural.

is it natural to be out of touch with nature? to live in such a way that it supports our feeling of being an individual that is not connected to nature at all? and not connected to community? and not to Being?

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

is it natural to be out of touch with nature? to live in such a way that it supports our feeling of being an individual that is not connected to nature at all? and not connected to community? and not to Being?

No it isn't. But I was simply saying that if you define an idea of natural then you create unnatural. If you are truly connected to being, then i would assume that these terms have no meaning.

But if you use the term natural to describe something you also create unnatural. It's just how language and categorization works.

To say that factory farms, all humans, living in cities, etc are natural, actually negates the meaning of the word. You are essentially saying that there is nothing unnatural, which would mean that there is nothing natural either.

[wolfgang]

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