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I was just thinking of this, even the other night i was thinking "why" and "how" should i help others and this article helped greatly. But what about someone like"abraham" saying that we dont need to change the world but we need to change the the way you look at it ??? but i agree with your post, it is has help me lots. |
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Hi Steve, I just wanted to comment that this article seems to be a lot less neutral towards lightworkers and darkworkers compared to your previous polarization articles. Example (Darkworkers, Lightworkers, and Levels of Consciousness): Quote:
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I don't know. It just feels like this new article confused things more than clarified them. Last edited by Lanya; 04-17-2008 at 12:31 AM. |
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Many darkworkers in positions of power today are indeed suffering from Darkworker Syndrome, meaning that they're going too far in the direction of damaging the body in the pursuit of power. The current political leaders of the USA are a good example. They're overdoing it, and consequently they're creating a mounting backlash. They're doing the best they can to squash dissent, including by exerting control over the mainstream press, but eventually it will come back to bite them, just as it did in the case of the Nazis.
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do you guys think that being a stockbroker is darkworker ??? I plan to use the money to help mentor needing children(like paying for school, tutoring) but lately i've been worried that that stockmarket is darkworker cause its all about profits ?? confused!!!! |
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I love the move from darkworkers being neutral to being cancer. The previous view is ridiculous. Highly polarized darkworkers are suicidal nihilists, they only get enjoyment through the use of control/fear, it is their purpose. They are anathema. They are the opposite of postive growth, they are negative growth, they are cancer..its a beautiful metaphor. Look at the opinions of any highly polarized darkworker and you will see they view the rest of humanity as a cancer on the earth. Read the opinions of Ted Turner, Prince Philip, David Rockefeller, Paul Ehrlich...the list of darkworkers must be 90% of all politicians and major business owners. Thats not to say they don't try to mold society to "improve", through social control, labor camps, and eugenics-based genocides. Dictators have been the guiding force of government throughout history, this brief window of democracy and liberty we have enjoyed is a very rare occurance. What I want to know is how do lightworkers regain control over a dictatorship/facism/abusive government. How can a lightworker get control over fear of being put in a labor camp, fear of government, fear of Krystalnacht. How can a lightworker save the many helpless drones to be enslaved, enlisted, and slaughtered by the darkworkers? How does a lightworker get power away from a darkworker who is willing to use violence to protect it? Can a highly polarized lightworkers condone or encourage violence? Do darkworkers come to power consciously? Do all of these politicans, businessmen, leaders, rulers, begin their path as darkworkers? For example: Google's original slogan "Do no evil", did they start with that intention in mind and become corrupted into censorship and spying? Excellent post steve, I would love to see your opinion on global philosophical problems like this more often. If anyone knows a blog that follows this topic closely or a place to find a lightworker based guide to fighting tyrannical government please PM me. I feel like studying Ghandi all of a sudden. Last edited by RRR; 04-17-2008 at 01:27 AM. |
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Supertom, It really doesn't matter what people do for a living, but rather, the intention behind your work that puts one in a category of darkworker or lightworker. I think what Steve was trying to say about the people in power in the US is that they're abusing their might for their own personal benefits. It doesn't mean that all people in power are like that. I'm sure there are leaders out there that are trying to work for the greatest good of humanity and society as a whole. For example, look at Oprah, she has tremendous clout and a following, yet she's using that fame for the benefit of others, not necessarily for herself. Ultimately it doesn't matter what you do, but if your goal is to create the greatest good for the greatest amount of people, then you have a new title for yourself, "lightworker"
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I'm so befuzzled by it all. When reading the stuff about darkworkers I felt it really resonated with me... yeah, I'm not afraid to admit it, though my deceptive darkworker sense is telling me not to- I DO want to be powerful. And there is a side to me that doesn't care about anyone else... and I began to feel really good. I mean really seriously fantastic at the idea of crushing my way to power. But asking myself if I was happy to hurt other people the answer was a resounding NO. I had started feeling so good that I started thinking in a kind of reluctant way...well I probably should do something positive with my life. And not because I've been taught to... it actually felt like my "conscience" becoming active. Now I don't know what to think... |
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I'd still like some clarification, Steve, if you still support thost who want to polarize as darkworkers, but are also determined to move past Darkworker Syndrome into high-level-consciousness darkworkers. I think that's what I've been confused about.
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Steve - although I feel your call to help humanity - I can't take the view that dark workers are aware of the damage they themselves are doing. To do so is to be a conscious mass murderer, and even murderers themselves are not conscious because they are so identified with the voice in their head that they cannot see beyond it. This is not their fault - it's just mind identification. Can it be that if we give dark workers an identity of awareness, we are just strengthening them? Yes, once you are highly conscious you can sense your "evil and all-powerful demeanor," but that is only because you are highly conscious and have a choice in the matter. To assume that other human beings are also aware of that dimension within themselves is to assume a high degree of consciousness. One cannot be conscious and painfully cause infliction, simply because they know that it will consciously bring to them bad karma and unhappiness. I simply can't believe that they are conscious human beings because human beings share emotions. When you are identified with such a desire for power, perhaps you are not able to feel your emotions so clearly because of strong mind-identification? As such you are arguing that cancer cells are aware that they are multiplying and causing the death of the organism. I'm not sure if I can buy that! But will $5 get me a piece of your warm soul? Last edited by anamoly; 04-17-2008 at 02:36 AM. |
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Imagine the concept of The Devil... or Lucifer. Is Lucifer conscious? Is he aware of the consequences of his actions? I would say yes. His evil doesn't arise from mere ignorance. He embraces the role willingly. While there are plenty of people who do harm without being aware of the consequences, their lack of awareness limits their power. They aren't polarized one way or the other, so they often take actions that cancel each other out. Being unaware won't make you a darkworker, although it can make you a pawn of one. When you polarize either way, you gain the ability to channel much more power, either for self-service or service to others. The more conscious you are and the more fully you can accept and embrace the full consequences of your actions, the more powerful you can become. Lightworkers can become quite powerful and achieve positions of influence over others. A good example is the Dalai Lama. His work actually increases his power, and he channels that power into teaching compassion. His power and influence makes it harder for darkworkers to go after him directly, even though he works against their agenda.
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I often feel personally responsible for the state of affairs in the world right now. I'm confident that if I'm able to completely polarize then it will affect the whole body for the better. I love this post and I hope to see more on the same topic. Here's a question: do you all think that a lightworker and a darkworker can have a successful intimate relationship?
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Firstly: Hi! First post of mine! Well, straight: How is "keep diligently working on your own personal growth" accountable as lightwork? It always had hit me as darkwork---mainly because previous polarization posts took everything more neutral (as already mentioned). I always thought: If I am going to study instead of giving something, I am doing darkwork, ie. absorbing things from world, without giving anything in return. Of course, viewing things this simply is stupid, because any work would be considered light, which is not true. So, the only (new) idea I took from this post is that neutrality is impossible, and it really struck me. Came here to say it. I always thought of myself as darkworker inclined---because of always studying and not much caring about returning care effectively. Just to try and make things clearer: I´ve always thought of this topic in this light (which held still ´till today): There are two "axes", which are parallel: giving - taking; and, love - fear lightworkers would be givers and lovers, and darkworkers, takers and fear-driven. But it isn´t so: Only the love-fear axis is important. To put simply: I feel I am a taker, not a giver, but as much as I like getting stuff/love (studying is something I feel in this way: it´s love written), I also note I like to take fear *away*. Just not sure what to do with this, but glad to know it already. Thanks, Steve, I owe you this. But, now to try and finish this, in a little distinction about the love-fear axis: what matters is not the relation one perceives from reality but what he does. Loving is taking others into account, fearing is letting only oneself emerge and control (important word). One can says he is a lover and talk about caring, but if this one spends more than half his time in defensive mode, he cares more about himself than others, so this is fear. That´s where stands most politicians and myself also. This is why I think it´s too confusing: From the reality we are, there´s too much difficulty in trying to stand well and healthy without feeling like you´re a darkworker yourself (you may have loving-objectives, but your action is fear-driven mainly: survive in lone-mode against the world)---which helps to maintain the feeling it´s the only way there is---and consequently feeling lightworkers are nut people who are somehow lucky for being able to live in this kinda different reality of their own. In the end, I am not sure if I could explain this point as I tryied. |
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Steve, a calling is heard, but how to interpret and respond? Individual lightworker efforts that galvanise and empower the collective can go a long way to rebalancing premium health. (eg Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, etc) However, where the system of health becomes the goal - white blood cells can also turn against the body. Is it necessary to call together the various lightworkers (a Renaissance) operating under different systems and roles? Or will it happen by itself, since the goal of the lightworker is "bodily" health? Could you expand and detail on the decision to totally lightworker? Many thanks and kind regards, www |
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This blog entry brought me out of lurking this board. It was an amazing synchronicity because just yesterday I was telling my friend that the more my consciousness is aware the less in common I have with a lot of my friends. I was starting to almost feel uncomfortable because I felt the responsibility so strong & I don't feel I vibrate the same way with a lot of my surroundings. I almost didn't want to raise my consciousness anymore. This blog put a lot into perspective for me & really hit home. Even the way it was worded. It's what I needed to read right now. Thanks. |
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Has your thinking on polarity evolved since your entries from March of last year? As others have remarked, this entry is decidedly less favorable toward darkworkers than what you have written previously.
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No one is 100% polarized in one direction and no one is 100% aware of the consequences of their actions. The darkworker/lightworker label undermines the fundamental desire of every human: happiness. Quote:
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I'm going to join in the chorus of confused people asking how this post jibes with the previous polarity ones, because it doesn't, and I don't see the question being answered either. In the past, if I understood your old posts, you felt explained that darkworkers were on a path, but if I understood your previous position, you felt that darkworking and lightworking were simply different paths, and that awareness (which leads to a conscious decision to polarize, and that polarizing is a good thing). Now darkworkers who are really pursuing their goal are selfish to the point of evil, and lightworkers are saintly and working for the collective good. Darkworkers are Lucifer and lightworkers are the Dalai Lama. That's an ENORMOUS difference to previous polarity posts and frankly I have to wonder where it comes from! It seems very angry, to me, imo. I could go on about how the whole light vs dark concept is pretty black and white and very little in the real world works that way. In fact, that was one of the reasons that I enjoyed the point of view of the polarity posts originally, because it talked about how sometimes the darkworker was not a bad path, given the circumstances. I think maybe the thinking used to be more that 'darkworker' was 'selfworker' - i.e., one who focused on the skin in. And lightworker was 'otherworker'. Now darkworker has turned into 'selfish to the point of amorality and sociopathic'. It doesn't jibe (he says with a sing song voice)... Quote:
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I had the same reaction as Lanya when I read this blog post. From Steve's earlier posts, it seems like the external actions of a fully conscious lightworker and a fully conscious darkworker would be nearly identical. The philosophies behind their actions would be different, but the actions themselves would be the same. As Steve wrote earlier, Quote:
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When I first read about stuff like this I was always wondering what the hell the writer was talking about. Then suddenly on a day I got a huge insight; basically being in total awe of the miracle of human existence and the universe in general. I broke out of the 'matrix'. It was extremely scary and in a way it still is when I really get myself into the insight (which I kind of lose track of when I am absorbed in daily activities). It came about because of articles/books I read (which probably for some reason I was attracted too). In the first year or so I really wished I never read that stuff; I really wanted back into the matrix, like everybody else around me. I was always like 'how didn't I see this before? why aren't other people seeing this?'. It certainly would be a lot easier to be trapped in the eggshell. Right now I am primarily doing stuff for myself, but in the light of becoming a force for good for whole humanity; in a sense; becoming a lightworker. Lol... that sounds a little bit egoic, but that's basically what it is. Last edited by MasterD; 04-17-2008 at 07:42 AM. |
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Hi Steve, Seems no one has come right out and said it yet, so I will: That someone is ME! Sold my business 7 months ago and started a journey to figuring out how to help millions. This became WealthCamp: WealthCamp > WebHome And I'm motivated to become as successful a blogger as you are. I've currently grown my blog ( erica.biz - Erica Douglass challenges you to change your life! ) from 65 subscribers to 500 in about 4 months. I knew the 2007 I Can Do It conference was critical for me. I asked the question, "How will I know what path to take?" And then I met you in person, and decided you had an idea (blogging, speaking, and now writing a book) and a path that would also work for me. I'm excited to do what you do, only I know it will be somewhat different because we have different perspectives on life. I can only hope my blog will be as popular as yours is in 2 or 3 years. How does it feel to know you will change millions of lives for the better? -Erica
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Hi Steve, thanks for this enlightening blog! It clarified several aspects of change I had noticed in my life, being - I cannot even imagine returning to my old job, which I left several years ago, even though the earning potential there was tremendous - I seem to be leaving friends and some relationships behind me - we no longer communicate in the same 'language', i.e. our view of life has changed - I have been working on the inside for years, and all of a sudden things have come together like I have woken up from a deep 38 year sleep and I am full of energy and dreams and plans - I never had plans or dreams or purpose before. - I know deep inside that whatever the cost, I am not letting go of this path, because it feels exactly right for me. So I now see that it is all normal if viewed from the perspective of someone evolving to a lightworker. I am lucky to count one of my brothers as a companion on my journey, but I never found the words for it before. So - thank you for the words Eva |
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Bloody hell Steve. Did you read my thoughts here: Quote:
I don't identify with the lightworker label (or darkworker label) personally, what I do know is that the way things are going at the moment and the place where we will end up if we continue thats not good. A lot of people are in hell at the moment and because of that they are trying there best to create hell around them to fit there own personal model of the world. I can tick of every box here: - Work against fear 'check' Identifying where and how fear arises in me and 'combatting' (no other word in the english language for it) inside of me has given me a few insights that might help other people. - Feel a call to help humanity 'big checkmark' For a while I wanted to set up dozens of mega projects, with possible mega results. The vague sense of something has to be done automatically triggered my mega creative center and out popped extremely difficult mega projects lol. Turned out I wasn't quite ready and started to repress them again, I still literally wake up at night with this vague sense of 'I must do something'. It still ain't clear though. - The matrix and wanting to fall back in 'check' BIG time I've seen the matrix around me a few times, after a while the consequences starts to scare me which pulls me back in. I never seem to be able to keep myself in the matrix though. On top of that I'm starting to see more clearly the matrix inside of me as well, the ego some would call it. I'm basically dropping in and out of it, never completely gone and never completely inside it. I have a feeling its moving me out of ego, in the short term though I've really got no idea. - Disconnect from other people 'check' Oh yeah, I look around me and wonder why people aren't simply happy. Thats it, why are they so inside there heads walking around and playing there little games. Now I frequently fall back into it again, in that I lose myself (literally Don't know what to make of this, I never identified with being a lightworker at all. I've try'd to become a darkworker like three times already, the end result always turns out to be 'me being miserable and spreading it around'. Not the most pleasant state to be in, on top of that little motivation to do anything, felt all so insignificant. A few times people have asked me why I do what I do (work on PD) and I never really had a clear answer. I felt that I should do it to grow and become stronger but it wasn't to make more money, get more power or more material stuff. All that stuff is fine, its not evil, but I never got any real motivation from it. Its more a feeling of, yeah its nice, thats it lol. Other people walk through fire to get it and I just don't care, little or no resistance either. Its not that I am pushing it away its just that it doesn't matter for my sense of happiness. Ps. Guys wtf is the problem with this obsession over understanding lightworker vs. darkworker. Its a metaphor or as steve likes to say, its a lense to look at reality. You know that old NLP saying: The map is not the territory? This is the same thing, its an idea and although idea's can be incredibly valuable to contemplate they are still just that idea's. If you suddenly go snap 'Im a light/darkworker' then its probably a usefull idea for you. Don't get obsessed about it when you don't. Everybody likes to think we are special snowflakes and if steve is right only a small part of humanity can become a light/darkworker. If you aren't one, thats alright. Your not condemned, its not the end of the world... I'm telling you this not as a preacher by the way but more as a fellow stupid guy. I made the same mistake, took it as gospel and try'd to become a darkworker. I look back on that know and laugh, its so silly. The thing is, its better if you don't have to go through that period. You might get stuck in a very dark world. I almost did...
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First off, to his credit, Steve did admit that he was being a little anti darkworker in this one; so I don’t feel it’s necessary to question him about that too much since he’s obviously aware of it and I suspect that’s why he included this: Quote:
Without competition, ways of judging earthly superiority or inferiority (the selfish power that Steve was referring to), then everyone would be on equal terms. This may sound good and I suspect that this is an idea that many lightsworkers might find appealing. Problem is that this would lead to a fundamental lack of worldly standards and widespread worthlessness. We, as humans, should strive to be more discriminating then that. This kind of lack of competition can also be very frustrating for those who know that they could excel beyond others in certain areas if they were given a chance compete with and ultimately defeat them. There’s only one way to promote equality among naturally unequal organisms. You must suppress the strong while pumping up the weak. And, in my humble opinion, that is not fair. The problem is that none of this really makes sense if you believe in any type of spirituality or afterlife scenario. But from the standpoint of the person who believes that this material existence is all that there is, then this line of thinking makes perfect sense. And so you see why I would feel this way. One funny thing that I’ve noticed is that many people in these forums seem to think that darkworkers have a tendency to side with other darkworkers (or that we would want to see a world full of darkworkers). This however, is very irrational when you consider the fact that more darkworkers would just mean greater competition for us. After all, other darkworkers are a much bigger threat than lightworkers and this would not mesh well with our selfish tendencies. Ironically, the only reason that a darkworker would want to see more darkworkers in the world would be for universally beneficial reasons. By this I mean that through the process of natural selection, having more darkworkers around could help to strengthen our species. It comes down to a question of quantity versus quality of the human race; as I believe that it may be a bit optimistic to think that we can have both. These are just my personal thoughts on the matter and I do realize that many people in these forums may disagree with me. I just wanted to give everyone a little insight into what a darkworker might be thinking and elaborate on the points that Steve briefly touched on about us.
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Just wanted to say: present.
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I was reading the darkworker description and thinking what a magnificent description of the US government (and Fox News). Perhaps I knew the text was going in that direction. I wrote an article about some "news" coverage I saw on Fox News that reflects well what Steve describes about darkworkers. (Some of the article-oops, hmmm...the Fox News bit comes before this, apparently it wasn't only Fox): To add to that, I happened to catch Paula Zahn on CNN interviewing the Syrian ambassador to the US. I was shocked by the emotional incontinence which she displayed, as a deliberate tone of hostility was leaking out of her mouth with her words and sullying the entire nation. She spoke to the ambassador insultingly, as if to a guilty child who she was trying to pry her own predetermined truth out of. There are two issues that are profoundly disturbing when this is what is provided as news. The first issue deals with the impact that the tone and perception emanating from the speakers on the news have towards Arabs and Arab countries: things absorbed by the listener, but never spoken in word. While the discussion on Fox News was devoid of facts and sound reason, channeled emotions and their underlying implications were abundant. There was a clear implication that the participants did not perceive Lebanon, Syria and other Arab Middle East countries as being comprised of humans, but of some sort of subhuman animal or bacteria and that it was the noble duty of the US and Israel to wipe them out. The participants fabricated scenarios with speculation and unsubstantiated dialogue designed to sow fear and anger into the hearts of listeners and so to form the opinions that they wanted their audience to have. No facts are revealed or sought and emotion is used as the sole basis for opinions and actions. Growing up in the 80’s in the U.S., I was taught that this news was the news of communists. The second issue of concern with this mind-manipulating news deals with its victims. Arabs across America, across the world, watching this news may not be able to articulate the implications, but they can feel when they and their people are being spoken of as subhuman things to be wiped out. Such an insult offends beyond words and breeds hatred and a necessity for self-defense. There is no mystery why Hezbollah and Hamas exist; this “news” sows fear in the hearts of its victims too. (It was from some years ago when Israel was bombing Lebanon in an attempt to get Hezbollah). I want to help, I want to do something, how do you affect such incomprehensible people, the ones who keep electing people like George W. Bush? I don't understand it, if I remember correctly, after Clinton the US was coming out of its debt when Bush didn't get elected to the presidency and became president anyway. How can one little me even begin to unravel such an infinite and voluminous knot of corruption? My mother campaigns for Barak Obama. Is that the way to help? Revealing all the lies and deviousness of the administration doesn't have any effect on people, so revealing truth is not helpful. Even in the current horrid state I'm in, where you think nothing can touch you, I felt this call mentioned in Steve's text, but the same repeated problem-I am helpless and useless to find how to help and what to do to get more white blood cells.
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The only thing I want to mention is how you say that sitting around meditating is not a lightworker's role. For anyone who is looking for ways to improve the world, there is hardly a more direct and more effective tactic than meditation. This has been scientifically proven - meditation is NOT passive, it had a tangible and real effect on the world. Invincible Defense Technology Command Center This has been statistically proven again and again. All humans share consciousness. It only takes 7000 humans together under one roof, meditating in Loving-Kindness, to create world peace. This is by natural law - consciousness itself is a force akin to electromagnetic radiation except far more basic and more powerful. When you meditate you radiate consciousness to the world and you raise the awareness of all humans. Many humans meditating together has an exponential effect. You can write brilliant articles all day long but they will not reach everyone - it is always an uphill battle trying to influence spirit through logic. But send out unconditional love through meditation and all people feel it and act with increased love themselves. Again - this is not speculation - it has been scientifically proven. Read more here: Invincible Defense Technology Command Center |
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