Law Of Attraction And The Holocaust

[moonrambler]

I can see why somebody doesn't want to manifest a live chicken in their closet. However -- if we can manifest a blue feather or a pink and yellow striped umbrella by early afternoon, then could we manifest a live chicken in our yard?

See, I understand what 3nigma is saying, because so much of it seems easily explainable, and so much of it seems random. Paul manifested a plum pudding, but could he manifest it again now? ALG has amazing experiences with career and monetary success, but he's already having great career and monetary success, so it continues to improve. It's not like magically creating a live chicken in your yard by early afternoon.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Paul manifested a plum pudding, but could he manifest it again now?

Not sure if you know or remember how Paul manifested a plum pudding.

Paul had not even known that plums could be used to make pudding. Never eaten it, never seen it. Paul first heard about plum pudding from me, on this Internet forum.

While still sitting at his computer reading my plum pudding post, Paul manifested the intention to try some plum pudding. The plum pludding arrived in his reality three minutes later.

I mean - real plum pudding, not a photo, or a picture, or anything like that.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Evre

I see LOA as...kind of being like, well, if you think that your going to buy groceries that day. You probably will, hehe. There, you just attracted groceries

Here are ten recent examples of how I manifested my intentions without taking any action. In other words, I didn't "go out to buy groceries", but the groceries came anyway.

the lie of attraction

And no, these are not the same examples as the headhunters I manifested last week (see a few posts up).

[Angela]

If you hold two conflicting thoughts, like: "LoA is total bullshit" and "I have been wanting to try it", it's like having one foot on the brake and one foot on the accelerator, and wondering why you're not going anywhere.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Not sure if you know or remember how Paul manifested a plum pudding.

Paul had not even known that plums could be used to make pudding. Never eaten it, never seen it. Paul first heard about plum pudding from me, on this Internet forum.

While still sitting at his computer reading my plum pudding post, Paul manifested the intention to try some plum pudding. The plum pludding arrived in his reality three minutes later.

I mean - real plum pudding, not a photo, or a picture, or anything like that.

I do remember it because I thought it was very cool.

But it's a problem that these events don't seem to be repeatable, which gets skeptics saying they are coincidences and nothing more.

The events seem so random. Why not a live chicken?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I do remember it because I thought it was very cool.

But it's a problem that these events don't seem to be repeatable, which gets skeptics saying they are coincidences and nothing more.

The events seem so random. Why not a live chicken?

It's true, I never heard of plum pudding, didn't have a clue what it even was. I thought it may be like one of those little pudding cups you buy at the grocery store that are like vanilla or chocolate flavored or whatever. So I kind of thought about trying plum pudding. About a minute later my wife called me because we were leaving out the door and on my way out the door I went to grab my jacket and there was plum pudding sitting on the kitchen table.

Now, as for repeating the process. I haven't tried. To be honest, I think the manifestation of the pudding was more of a manifestation of a few subconscious beliefs such as:

- It's easy to manifest small stuff.

- Everything that is manifested, will carry with it a "rational" explanation as not to totally screw up my life and make me not want to live it anymore, because it's clearly "fake". Therefore each manifestation will have an "explanation" so as not to make me want to "wake up" just yet.

- Every rational explanation will also carry with it a factor of such high improbability that it will make it abundantly clear to me inside that this was no accident. It will be abundantly clear that LoA brought this to me, but at the same time, it is still rationally explainable to anyone around me so as not to screw up their world either (ie. my wife). I wouldn't , for example, want to materialize a briefcase full of money in front of my wife out of thin air. THat would ruin her view of "real life" and could send her or anyone else to the mental institute thinking they lost their minds if they aren't first prepared to see such things by understanding how the world really works.

- Getting around people who are at a "higher level" amplifies your powers. Even if it's just a matter of talking to them on a Forum. At the time of the "pudding" incident, I was reading forum posts which highly believed in LoA and weren't skeptical. THerefore the parts of my subconscious mind that are skeptical were sleeping, and the parts that believe in this "woo woo" stuff were active. As such, the pudding was manifested really quickly.

As for lottery winnings, the most I've manifested on scratch and wins deliberately was $10. I have a high belief that I don't want to win money for nothing. At some point I might want to change this, just for fun.

As for manifesting cash to finance certain things in my life such as buying a house for my mom, buying a new house for my wife and I etc. I've manifested amounts such as $432,000, $240,000 etc. These were all amounts that just "appeared" into my life out of nowhere, but still showed up with a "rational" explanation for anyone looking from the outside. Those that were on the "inside" who I shared the manifestations with prior to manifesting them, however, had severely fried brains. In each case, they asked for it though, wanting me to demonstrate to them how "this stuff works".

Anyway...just some random ramblings... Just for the record, I do believe in the "magical" LoA stuff as some people call it. I've manifested way too many things in a "magical" manner to ignore this ability.

[moonrambler]

I like your posts, Paul.

While we're at it, I'd like to mention that yesterday I was talking with my friend who I keep mentioning here because together we seem to manifest all sorts of weird coincidences, henceforth I'll call him Irish Guy. Irish Guy and I are on the phone and I look for something for him on eBay and say, "here it is, Canon Camera, hardly used, and the seller spelled it h-a-r-d-l-e-y." He makes a disparaging noise. He's working on a slideshow of a St. Pat's Day Parade, and after we get off the phone, he e-mails and says he went to iTunes to get the song "Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye," and iTunes had spelled it "hardley."

Now I just e-mailed a guy I'm casual friends with, and the last time we had e-mailed him was 3/17 (I looked). He immediately responds, "This is wierd, I was thinking about you only about two minutes ago."

[3nigma]

Originally Posted by Angela

If you hold two conflicting thoughts, like: "LoA is total bullshit" and "I have been wanting to try it", it's like having one foot on the brake and one foot on the accelerator, and wondering why you're not going anywhere.

Are you surprised by a newcomer being skeptical of the LOA? If you want to prove how gravity works, you pick up an object and you let it go. It falls to the floor. Now I believe in gravity. You can't do this with the LOA though.

Reality is not fixed! I can manifest $250,000, but I can't manifest a live chicken. And, I can't manifest the same exact event twice. What? This isn't very... reliable. Now, I, on the other hand, CAN manifest a live chicken. Go down to the country, buy a live chicken, bring it home and put it in my closet. There you go, while you're still there meditating on the chicken.

I'd like to try an experiment, and somebody can guide me if they want. I'll try the LOA for a week, and if nothing happens the LOA has failed me.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by 3nigma

Are you surprised by a newcomer being skeptical of the LOA?

It's not like anyone here is trying to sell you something, 3nigma. They're just telling you what has worked for them. They're not trying to get your money or take away your children. They're trying to share something with you that they've found valuable in living a life they love.

I'd like to try an experiment, and somebody can guide me if they want. I'll try the LOA for a week, and if nothing happens the LOA has failed me.

That's great, but why bother? You've already determined in your own thinking that the LoA doesn't work. And you have no doubt that failure is what will come of it, so that's what you'll get. (which is sort of funny, because that's you, manifesting!)

The whole concept of something "failing me" is one that doesn't work, LoA or no LoA. It's like declaring yourself a victim, or a potential victim.

p.s.. if you do decide to experiment, I hope you pick something that's more satisfying and fulfilling than having a chicken in your closet.

[3nigma]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's great, but why bother? You've already determined in your own thinking that the LoA doesn't work. And you have no doubt that failure is what will come of it, so that's what you'll get. (which is sort of funny, because that's you, manifesting!)

My belief system has also been working for me. I've finished countless goals with ACTION. I do a little bit of visualization here and there, and then I act on it. If you wanna use crazy new age words, then I guess you can call it manifesting. For me, when I want to get some milk... I picture some milk in my head, write it down on a shopping list, and then I go to the store and buy it. For you, you might meditate all day on it.

Isn't that my LOA? IT WORKS GUYS IT WORKS!

[Angela]

That's great that your action-based lifestyle works for you, 3nigma. Why then, are you focusing so much on the Law of Attraction? Why do you want to prove it wrong, when you are so right and you have it all together? Why not just let it fall by the wayside?

What's your payoff? You're already right, so that can't be it.

(By the way, when I "manifest" I'm generating ways of being, things like being free or joyfull, rather than chickens or milk or parking spots. Ways of being are not on sale this week at the grocery store.)

[Gotchaman]

Originally Posted by 3nigma

If you want to prove how gravity works, you pick up an object and you let it go. It falls to the floor. Now I believe in gravity. You can't do this with the LOA though.

Have you wondered why there's gravity in the first place? If you believe in the source of energy that created the universe we live in, LoA does make sense.

[3nigma]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's great that your action-based lifestyle works for you, 3nigma. Why then, are you focusing so much on the Law of Attraction? Why do you want to prove it wrong, when you are so right and you have it all together? Why not just let it fall by the wayside?

What's your payoff? You're already right, so that can't be it.

(By the way, when I "manifest" I'm generating ways of being, things like being free or joyfull, rather than chickens or milk or parking spots. Ways of being are not on sale this week at the grocery store.)

Well considering that's what the topic is about, then I guess I'm just joining one side of the debate. Although, I don't want to prove it wrong, I want to prove it right. If it works, then I'm ecstatic. Wouldn't that be wonderful? If it doesn't, then I can say I had a healthy skeptical view of the LOA. If you haven't noticed, I'm an extreme skeptic. Unless I see or have it happen, I don't believe it.

For example, I was a BIG skeptic of Lucid Dreaming, thinking it was some new age fad until I actually had one, and it changed my life. Now I'm a Lucid Dreamer for life. I was also skeptical of meditation thinking it was some monkish thing, and that you couldn't do it unless you had a robe and a shaved head and were 'spiritual', until I started doing it. Lately I've been so calm and able to concentrate my thoughts much easier.

I think you guys mistake my skepticism for negativity. For me, it's much better to look at things from the views of a scientist. Logical left brained stuff is my forte. I don't believe in ghosts, crazy dead spirits hovering over me and watching me, floating a foot off the ground, moving things with your mind. If you can PROVE any of those things exist, then I will become a believer in an instant. But if it's just some thing like Religion... where you have to have FAITH, with absolutely no proof, I find that pretty stupid.

[Angela]

Well, give it a go then, and report back your results!

Just remember, for this to be a responsible scientific experiment, you must follow the rules of the process, which include deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when you think them, and deliberately aligning your vibrations (not a very scientific term, but I think you can do it anyway) with your desire.

As any good scientist knows, if you don't follow the specifications, your results won't be valid. Good luck!

[3nigma]

Originally Posted by Angela

Well, give it a go then, and report back your results!

Just remember, for this to be a responsible scientific experiment, you must follow the rules of the process, which include deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when you think them, and deliberately aligning your vibrations (not a very scientific term, but I think you can do it anyway) with your desire.

As any good scientist knows, if you don't follow the specifications, your results won't be valid. Good luck!

Okay, give me some sort of link or something. Something that explains the process step by step.

[Angela]

I'm thinking that if they agree, ALG and Paul would be good authorities for you in what would be the basic requirements for a fair and good-faith trial. What do you say, ALG and Paul? I think their practice of LoA is more what you guys have been discussing (and is a little different from mine regarding *stuff*, and more what you're interested in, right?).

Can you guys boil it down to what would constitute the components of practicing the Law of Attraction, ALG and Paul, in a simple way for 3nigma to follow for a week?

By the way, it wouldn't really be actual science, since positive or negative results are subjective, but you could get a pretty good sense of whether or not it works for you in how you'd like to live your life -- like Steve's 30 day trials. And it's like generating love, which is also subjective. I can't prove I'm doing it and you can't prove I'm not, but we both pretty much know when I'm doing it and when I'm not.

Just one request: no chickens. Stick with manifesting what you actually desire, okay?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by 3nigma

Logical left brained stuff is my forte.

That is debatable. Don't mind my saying so, but you really aren't that great in the logic department.

I will illustrate a typical logical flaw of yours. In Philosophy 101 terms, it goes like this:

1. "I do not believe that X is true."
2. "I will only accept X, if people give me evidence of X."

Next, you are given evidence of X. Your response:

3. "I do not believe that X is true."
4. "Therefore the evidence of X is false."

There's a logical flaw above. I trust you can see how you keep committing it. If you can't, here's a concrete, specific & recent example of how you commit it.

a. You do not believe that LOA is true.

b. You read my posts about how I manifest money, more or less out of nothing, using LOA.

c. You send me a PM saying in effect, "How can that be true? You mean, you does nothing except think, and the money just comes?"

d. You conclude, "I can't accept that. It woud mean that LOA is true."

There you go.

[3nigma]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

That is debatable. Don't mind my saying so, but you really aren't that great in the logic department.

I will illustrate a typical logical flaw of yours. In Philosophy 101 terms, it goes like this:

1. "I do not believe that X is true."
2. "I will only accept X, if people give me evidence of X."

Next, you are given evidence of X. Your response:

3. "I do not believe that X is true."
4. "Therefore the evidence of X is false."

There's a logical flaw above. I trust you can see how you keep committing it. If you can't, here's a concrete, specific & recent example of how you commit it.

a. You do not believe that LOA is true.

b. You read my posts about how I manifest money, more or less out of nothing, using LOA.

c. You send me a PM saying in effect, "How can that be true? You mean, you does nothing except think, and the money just comes?"

d. You conclude, "I can't accept that. It woud mean that LOA is true."

There you go.

There has never been any proof of your statement, other than being posted in this forum, thus why I didn't trust it. I can do the same.

Hey, I just manifested a million dollars.

See? And that's not even my argument, my argument was HOW do you KNOW that it was the LOA? How can you scientifically prove that it was the LOA? Like for example, I can win the lottery. Now, I can do several things. I can attribute my winning the lottery to...

A. Law of Attraction.
B. It was a numbers game. I put in my ticket, and I was randomly chosen.

So how do you know that the money came to you strictly because of the LOA? I mean, I know you probably visualize heaps of money all the time, who doesn't? But how do you attribute THAT exact event to the LOA?

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by 3nigma

I mean, I know you probably visualize heaps of money all the time, who doesn't?

???? I don't. Whatever gave you that idea?

I regularly record all my intentions in writing (on my blogs). So I know exactly what I'm manifesting.

I do money only occasionally. I just have a very high success rate, that is all.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by 3nigma

So how do you know that the money came to you strictly because of the LOA?

Didn't Paul already explain that to you?

If your purpose is to test LOA, what you'll want to do is experiment with bizarre, strange thoughts. So that bizarre, strange events will occur in your reality. So bizarre and strange that they are not easily dismissable as random coincidences.

What's bizarre and strange? My friend, that's up to you. It's your reality, and your experiment. For me, manifesting money out of thin air is no longer bizarre or strange. Then again, my purpose is no longer to test LOA. My purpose, when manifesting money out of thin air, is to receive money out of thin air.

What happens if the bizarre, strange event occurs in your reality, but you still suspect that it could be a meaningless, random coincidence?

Well, then do the experiment again. And again, and again.

Why should you do these experiments yourself? Well, one reason is that you don't trust other people. You don't trust me, or Paul, or Angela, or Steve Pavlina, or Erin Pavlina, or ......... or Rhonda Byrne, or Joe Vitale, or Shakti Gawain, or Deepak Chopra, or Abraham Hicks etc etc etc etc.

Since you don't trust any of us, well then, OBVIOUSLY you gotta do the experiment yourself. You trust you, don't you?

Why do you think people around here keep telling you to go DO your own experiments?

[3nigma]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Why should you do these experiments yourself? Well, one reason is that you don't trust other people. You don't trust me, or Paul, or Angela, or Steve Pavlina, or Erin Pavlina, or ......... or Rhonda Byrne, or Joe Vitale, or Shakti Gawain, or Deepak Chopra, or Abraham Hicks etc etc etc etc.

You forgot Tony Robbins.