Manifesting Intentions about Manifesting Intentions

[Marco Polo]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I am not particularly interested in making out any particular sort of "case", for you or to you.

Really? Wow, I was under a diametrically different impression.

In my experience, some of the most defensive and arrogant people I've met are born again Christians, creationists in general and evangelical subjective realists/new age adherents. It's incredible. It's almost like... like they weren't secure enough in their beliefs. You have to adopt MY tenets, read MY books of the Occult and do what I say or we can't have a rational discussion. OK? yes OK, yes master...

Drop the bomb and anyone who doesn't fold can talk to the hand. Open discussion... yeah, as long as you're winning right?

As for LoA I actually use it myself in one form or another. I find it fully compatible with a more scientific worldview as well. It's a damn cool concept yet not overly complicated when you break it down (thoughts->action + emotion etc). Thoughts are INCREDIBLY powerful... I'm not convinced we need magic(k) to explain them however.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

. Thoughts are INCREDIBLY powerful... I'm not convinced we need magic(k) to explain them however.

I agree with you. The topic is really about the relationship between mind and reality. Therefore as potential starting points for discussion, we could jolly well use any number of different forms of thinking, (or any number of different aspects of reality).

Magick is just one of these possible forms of thinking. One may just as well use, say, NLP; humanistic psychology; meditation; hypnosis; prayer; positive thinking or just ordinary, everyday thinking as a starting point for discussion.

And yes, it's entirely possible to discuss LOA from a scientific perspective - in fact, in this I.M section of the forum, I've probably referred to more scientists and scientific studies than anyone. Robert Jahn; Roger Penrose; Stuart Hameroff; Albert Einstein; David Bohm; Dean Radin; Brian Josephson; Fred Alan Wolf; Werner Heisenberg; Hugh Everett; Peter Fenwick; William Tiller; Sai Ghosh are just some of the scientists whom I recall offhand that I've discussed, and there are others.

If interested, you could use the search engine to locate those old posts of mine.

[Marco Polo]

1951 posts... sorry, I can't say i have the time nor the will. I'll take your word for it, how's that?

*deletes long post as a further step to halt unhealthy internet addiction. saves brilliant rant for a later point in time*

[Acting Like Godot]

This morning I am discussing Henrik Ehrsson and Olaf Blanke too. They did two experiments concerning the perception of out-of-body experiences. The papers were published in Science last year. Quite interesting.

Everything is In My Mind

[mercuryrising]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

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In my experience, some of the most defensive and arrogant people I've met are born again Christians, creationists in general and evangelical subjective realists/new age adherents. It's incredible. It's almost like... like they weren't secure enough in their beliefs. You have to adopt MY tenets, read MY books of the Occult and do what I say or we can't have a rational discussion. OK? yes OK, yes master...

I find intellectuals to be the most irritating because it is a never-ending (circular) rational discussion.

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by mercuryrising

I find intellectuals to be the most irritating because it is a never-ending (circular) rational discussion.

I generally find that if someone irritates me it's because they remind me of something in myself that I'm irritated by. Irritation (a mild anger), I find, often inicates fear.

Your point about reason being circular is good. All reasoning, it seems, is based on axioms, statements that can't be proved, so reasoning only works in relation to those first principles. It could be thought of as circular in that it's like being bound by a piece of paper: all your workings out have to be written on that piece of paper, so as you make 'progress' in a linear direction, at some point you have to turn round on yourself and return. I used to make a big deal of this, got stuck there for ages, angrily arguing with intellectuals that whatever they said was clearly nonsense.

But there's another way to see this. Ok, we're stuck with a piece of paper, and at the moment we can't escape that. Maybe theoretically we can never escape that. However, in the meantime, people (the intellectuals I was dismissing) were busy working out lots and lots of really amazing and useful stuff, filling the page with more and more detail and sometimes finding ways to add sticky notes, fold it, write on the other side...

If you got to the point of realising that reason is 'circular', you did so by thinking about it. It is a rational statement. You posted it here, presumably, because you thought it was an important insight that others should hear about. You engaged in an intellectual exercise. You're an intellectual...

...which kind of takes us full circle. If you're an intellectual, does that irritate you? And is there anything to my observation that often irritation signals fear? Are you, like me, a little afraid to be in a universe where reason isn't nice and reliable, go in a nice straight line from here to where it solves the big questions that bother us?

One escape from that is to imagine you can just make the rules up as you go along, reject reason altogether. IMHO, in that way madness lies. (I'm not saying you do that, BTW, but much of SR is that kind of response to uncertainty, I believe).

Fast track yogis in India are thought to take that chance. In order to see more of reality they do all sorts of extreme practices, but some of them lose the plot altogether and are thought to be insane. Of course, they might be the Enlightened Ones, but most of those who make steady progress, or fast track progress while still retaining the ability to hold a conversation (or a cup), would disagree.

The secret - many wise teachers have said - is to transcend reason, not reject it. Paradoxically, that enables you to use reason better than before, to make fewer mistakes in your thinking. Knowing that reason is a tool, you sharpen it and use it more rigorously.

But I guess we're all different. I get irritated with fantasy, because it just seems so utterly arbitrary whether there's a dragon or a troll or a beanstalk. Started Lord of the Rings several times. Got bullied into seeing the first installment at the cinema and nearly had to chew through my arm to survive!

[John Freestone]

Originally Posted by Marco Polo

1951 posts... sorry, I can't say i have the time nor the will. I'll take your word for it, how's that?

*deletes long post as a further step to halt unhealthy internet addiction. saves brilliant rant for a later point in time*

Yeah, I'm in serious danger of needing a 12-step program as well. I don't know when you'll return, but I just want to say that I appreciate having another sceptic here (there seem so few of us, although the LoAers sometimes talk about how their 'games' turn into sceptic-fests, so maybe the bulk of us are just in residential rehab at the moment). Look forward to reading more from you when you relapse. I swear they're putting spells on us to stay here arguing with them.

[JFeel]

Ok guys and gals,

let me ask you: has this ever happened to you...

Very often, and I mean VERY often, a strange thing happens. And, either I'm biased and following my own mind suggestion, or there's really something LoA related going on...

So, here it is:

have you ever thought about something, something truly irrelevant, and all of a sudden something happens?

Let me give you a few examples: yesterday I thought of a friend I hadn't heard in a long time and I wondered where he was. 10 minutes later he calls me. (please note that after thinking about him, I completely forgot about it. COMPLETELY, my mind went elsewhere. I didn't wonder if he'd call me or not).

Yesterday as well, I was looking at a weird pile of garbage in the street, some funny looking pieces of metal, and I wondered who was responsible for picking it up. And I forgot about it immediatly! All of a sudden a government truck arrives and collects all that stuff.

Today, I was walking towards a coffe shop and I saw a stunningly beautiful woman. She is so stunning I immediately thought she was out of my league. And completely forgot about it. For some reason she also went to the same coffee shop and she asks me what, imo, was the best coffee. We chat and I get her number.

Now... little things like this happen to me ALL THE TIME! What I don't get is... when I try to wish for something that I truly want, nothing happens. At least so far. And I do try to send vibrational content into the open universe, not just wishes.

But when I do not wish, when I feel intrigued about something, or when I'm convinced I'm not going to get it, or forget about something I'm not interested in.. bang, voilá!

If someone experienced something similar, please post or message me!

[SarahLuvzYu]

Originally Posted by JFeel

Ok guys and gals,

let me ask you: has this ever happened to you...

Very often, and I mean VERY often, a strange thing happens. And, either I'm biased and following my own mind suggestion, or there's really something LoA related going on...

So, here it is:

have you ever thought about something, something truly irrelevant, and all of a sudden something happens?

Let me give you a few examples: yesterday I thought of a friend I hadn't heard in a long time and I wondered where he was. 10 minutes later he calls me. (please note that after thinking about him, I completely forgot about it. COMPLETELY, my mind went elsewhere. I didn't wonder if he'd call me or not).

Yesterday as well, I was looking at a weird pile of garbage in the street, some funny looking pieces of metal, and I wondered who was responsible for picking it up. And I forgot about it immediatly! All of a sudden a government truck arrives and collects all that stuff.

Today, I was walking towards a coffe shop and I saw a stunningly beautiful woman. She is so stunning I immediately thought she was out of my league. And completely forgot about it. For some reason she also went to the same coffee shop and she asks me what, imo, was the best coffee. We chat and I get her number.

Now... little things like this happen to me ALL THE TIME! What I don't get is... when I try to wish for something that I truly want, nothing happens. At least so far. And I do try to send vibrational content into the open universe, not just wishes.

But when I do not wish, when I feel intrigued about something, or when I'm convinced I'm not going to get it, or forget about something I'm not interested in.. bang, voilá!

If someone experienced something similar, please post or message me!

He-he I suggest you read Judge's posts