Law of Attraction article contradicts self-discipline?

[LOA9]

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...of-attraction/
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...lf-discipline/

I am fairly new to this site. Anyway, I read the above after reading the article on self-discipline. Steve, you placed a premium on taking action and sticking to the plan in the 2nd article. However, in the 1st it seems like all you need to do is change your thoughts and the rest fall into place. Any input on this?

I have definitely made life changes via LOA, but I also took ACTION.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by LOA9

it seems like all you need to do is change your thoughts

Yes. That requires tremendous discipline.

[MrLawofAttraction]

Yes it does require a focused discipline . Almost to what would normally be considered obsessive , but not quite. The process is to concentrate on what you want , be able to actually see yourself receiving it and then allowing it to happen. IE: Let go of the outcome emotionally.

Using visualization techniques are very helpful in helping you to keep your focus.

for example this one on wealth


Law Of Attraction Powerful Wealth Manifestation Affirmation

[Jonathan Mead]

I agree, keeping your mind focused on what you want, instead of what you don't want requires a lot of discipline. It also requires a lot of determination and wisdom to discern how to intend the future without living in denial (which will actually attract denial, not real change).

[MrLawofAttraction]

Your right .

It's important to understand though that reality both yours and mine is subjective to our own unique experience and how we choose to see that world based upon your upbringing and social conditioning (modeling). Visualization techniques allow a person to consciously select how they desire to see reality.
For example ..... there is no real difference in Donald Trump and you per say except that the Donald see's things in a different way because of how he was raised and the associations he made about money and what was possible in life.
If you could adopt his model of reality and therefore see things the same way that he does, then you would have a similar experience .
Denial comes in when a person fails to recognize "what is" and aren't able to accurately predicting the desired results of their actions ( EI-ineffective model )

[Jonathan Mead]

I think when we're really able to use the law of attraction most effectively, we're able to move the direction of our identity and inner reality as well as our outer reality toward our goals, or toward our intentions.

[MrLawofAttraction]

Definitely, the less we derive our Identities from externals the better we become at effectively setting our intentions and creating the experiences that we prefer to have.

[Jennihul]

Originally Posted by LOA9

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...of-attraction/
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...lf-discipline/

Steve, you placed a premium on taking action and sticking to the plan in the 2nd article. However, in the 1st it seems like all you need to do is change your thoughts and the rest fall into place. Any input on this?

I bolded and italicized this phrase because I believe it is one of the most misunderstood parts of manifesting.

The "rest falling into place" does imply, to the uninitiated, that you just sit back and let the riches flow to you. But that is not what that means.

The 'rest falling into place' is a specific stage of manifestation that includes receiving messages, phone calls, information, dreams, intuitions, synchronicities, random information finding it's way to you, etc....so that you can then take actions based on the opportunities the universe is actively sending your way.

Jennifer

[MrLawofAttraction]

Just Allow it to happen, you know get out of your own way. Ester Hicks really had a great analogy .... she likened resistance to paddling upstream in a canoe or going against the flow. We do this by over thinking things an introducing anxiety into the situation, or we get over invested with our ego's by trying to control things or other people . Just relax... set your intention , ask for and expect a positive outcome . Combine that with right thinking and action and there's nothing you cant do! Look at this website for example : It began as little more than Idea that Steve had and now here we are!

[joesugar]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

The "rest falling into place" does imply, to the uninitiated, that you just sit back and let the riches flow to you. But that is not what that means.

Jennifer

I find this discussion fascinating, primarily because you all are hitting on some of the things I find most frustrating when the Law of Attraction is discussed.

Jennihul, while you may not believe the sentiment in the quote above, there are plenty of people who will insist this is exactly how it works.

I'm supposed to desire the object but wanting is bad since that focuses me on the fact that I don't have it. I'm supposed to truly believe what I want has already taken place but if I truly believe that, why would I have take action for it to happen? After all, it's already taken place. I'm supposed to emotionally divorce myself from the outcome. Quite frankly, if I'm able to do that I have to question whether I really wanted the object in the first place.

Guys, don't get me wrong. I have used the LOA in my own life and am devoted to figuring out just how it works. While it can be hit or miss, I have had some things happen to me that I just can't explain otherwise. However, I have heard too much contradictory information to believe anyone has the last word at this point.

[pharmboy]

Originally Posted by Jennihul

I bolded and italicized this phrase because I believe it is one of the most misunderstood parts of manifesting.

The "rest falling into place" does imply, to the uninitiated, that you just sit back and let the riches flow to you. But that is not what that means.

The 'rest falling into place' is a specific stage of manifestation that includes receiving messages, phone calls, information, dreams, intuitions, synchronicities, random information finding it's way to you, etc....so that you can then take actions based on the opportunities the universe is actively sending your way.

Jennifer

Right on Jenni! The more you do, the luckier you become. So-called luck is the law of attraction in action.

[MrLawofAttraction]

Joesugar make a great point, it's where everyone hits the wall and meets resistance. In buddist and vedic traditions desire in the source of all your suffering the desire gets in the way of things because for many it introduces the component of lack into the mindset of a person , you have to focus the intention on the outcome and "allow it " by not trying to control everything instead of trying to figure it all out just observe ,and jenni you've got all the answers already all you need to do is pose the question.

[evelynlim]

Originally Posted by LOA9

However, in the 1st it seems like all you need to do is change your thoughts and the rest fall into place. Any input on this?

I have definitely made life changes via LOA, but I also took ACTION.

Hi, just because you intend for things to happen, does not mean that you do not take action. A crude example is this: if your focused intent is to win a lottery, how can you not even buy the ticket first that entitles you to a win?

By taking actions, you are also believing that what you intended for is going to manifest. When you believe that things are going to fall into place, there is no need to worry.

[Acting Like Godot]

Now, folks. I shall explain this again.

1. Your thoughts create your reality.

2. All your thoughts create all your reality.

3. All your actions are merely an expression of your thoughts.

4. Not all your thoughts are expressed as your actions.

If you follow me this far, you will understand that action is not always necessary.

As a matter of fact, there may be many occasions where you would like to take certain actions towards fulfilling your goal, but even before you could take those actions, the universe has already taken them for you.

[joyful1]

Originally Posted by joesugar

I find this discussion fascinating, primarily because you all are hitting on some of the things I find most frustrating when the Law of Attraction is discussed.

Jennihul, while you may not believe the sentiment in the quote above, there are plenty of people who will insist this is exactly how it works.

I'm supposed to desire the object but wanting is bad since that focuses me on the fact that I don't have it. I'm supposed to truly believe what I want has already taken place but if I truly believe that, why would I have take action for it to happen? After all, it's already taken place. I'm supposed to emotionally divorce myself from the outcome. Quite frankly, if I'm able to do that I have to question whether I really wanted the object in the first place.

Guys, don't get me wrong. I have used the LOA in my own life and am devoted to figuring out just how it works. While it can be hit or miss, I have had some things happen to me that I just can't explain otherwise. However, I have heard too much contradictory information to believe anyone has the last word at this point.

I totally understand your frustration and excitement. I went through a long process and read many books on this subject - I wanted to find out how to actually put this law into action and MAKE it work for me. One of the books that really helped me through the process was: Excuse Me Your Life Is Waiting by Lynn Grabhorn.

Here she discusses that it's not necessarily what you are thinking and desiring, but how you FEEL about what you are thinking. She has a 30 day plan that gets you to be more conscious of how you feel throughout the day. After doing this for a few days, I realized that I was such a negative "FEELER". I wanted good things to happen, but I was experiencing negative feelings most of the day.

In "Excuse Me Your Life is Now" another author expanded on Lynn's work. She discussed that its not the tangible things that we are after (that will make us happy), it is how we feel about those things - in essence we crave FEELING GOOD. Think about it, if you wanted a Mercedes Benz because you thought it would make you feel important, look good, etc., but when you bought it, it didn't make you feel important, would you still want it? Probably not.

The reason many gurus advocate visualization is because you can have everything you "want" just by closing your eyes and feeling it. The only thing left is for the manifestation of it. But, if you can experience those feelings, then you've already gotten what you wanted. This will allow you to let go of worrying about why it hasn't shown up yet and wondering if the Law really works.

I could go on and on...but I won't bore you. I'm just so passionate about this subject and have so many wonderful things to share about my experiences.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by evelynlim

Hi, just because you intend for things to happen, does not mean that you do not take action. A crude example is this: if your focused intent is to win a lottery, how can you not even buy the ticket first that entitles you to a win?

By taking actions, you are also believing that what you intended for is going to manifest. When you believe that things are going to fall into place, there is no need to worry.

Pure law of attraction would indicate that you can win the lottery without buying a ticket.