Diet Update (Blog)

[patrickq]

Originally Posted by Bruce Achterberg

Darn right. Man those things are sharp! And heavy, too!

Ahhh, but there is always the Jackfruit, surely one of the heaviest fruit that could just fall onto your head ... stinky as well, though nothing to match the durian!

[escapee]

Maybe you're the one who should do the experiment for everyone else to watch

I'm doing a non-raw ~30-40-30 it works great for me. There is just no way i'm going to do a raw experiment for 30 days. I have had enough of ultra low fat vegan trial in the past. I would pass this to Steve the brave PD guru.

BTW, The following are some great topics about fatty acids that may be of your interest ( I have a feeling that many ppl here still do not understand the importance of essential fatty acids - good fats in promoting excellent health )

Udo's Choice™ FOOD PYRAMID for Healthy People!

Fatty acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Joeschmoe]

Seems like we've had the EFA discussion before.

[nownow]

Originally Posted by patrickq

now now, nownow!

I did make a very uncontroversial post (No.22) in reply to KT (No.15), which was never responded to. KT then made a further post (No.45) again showing a complete lack of understanding about protein, so I replied (No.46).

Unlike KT, I’m not claiming to be a nutrition professional, so pointing out the fact that he doesn’t seem to understand some of the basics of nutrition is surely valid?

For some reason you seem to have taken exception to this, which is fine, but why not actually respond to the issues I was discussing? So how about a relevant comment from you, or are you only able to go for me personally and not discuss, for example, the protein issue?

By the way, my comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek, sorry it mis-fired … I have eaten a raw/vegan diet at various times, only ever for short periods, and apart from sometimes having initial energy lack have always felt noticeably better … did I hear ‘willpower’ to stay on it :-)

I have read KT's posts I don't understand how you can say he does not understand the basics of nutrition. He did not say anything about protein that would suggest this. Maybe you just disagree with him?

Some people have accepted the idea that you don't need the 9 essential aminos at the same time; that some are pooled and can be made available when needed. This is an unproven and risky assumption IMO.
I will play it safe and make sure I get all my essential aminos at once.

Nobody knows how much protein an indivdual needs. 10% seems low and a little extra will not hurt you. Your mind may tell you sooner than your body.
Amino acids are the building blocks for neurotransmitters.
A high carb diet like 80-10-10 may lead to high of serotonin levels in the brain as the amino tryptophan will more readily be converted into serotonin.
Euphoria and sleepiness are symptoms of excess serotonin. A high protein diet may make someone manic as the stimulating aminos such as phenylalanine will block tryptophan conversion and will themselves be converted into dopamine. Our food choices are our drug choices.

[patrickq]

Originally Posted by nownow

I have read KT's posts I don't understand how you can say he does not understand the basics of nutrition. He did not say anything about protein that would suggest this. Maybe you just disagree with him?

Some people have accepted the idea that you don't need the 9 essential aminos at the same time; that some are pooled and can be made available when needed. This is an unproven and risky assumption IMO.
I will play it safe and make sure I get all my essential aminos at once.

Nobody knows how much protein an indivdual needs. 10% seems low and a little extra will not hurt you. Your mind may tell you sooner than your body.
Amino acids are the building blocks for neurotransmitters.
A high carb diet like 80-10-10 may lead to high of serotonin levels in the brain as the amino tryptophan will more readily be converted into serotonin.
Euphoria and sleepiness are symptoms of excess serotonin. A high protein diet may make someone manic as the stimulating aminos such as phenylalanine will block tryptophan conversion and will themselves be converted into dopamine. Our food choices are our drug choices.

I said that KT does not understand ‘some’ of the basics of nutrition.

KT made comments that display unawareness about protein, which I’ve already raised, for example … “The concern I have is the raw fruit/veggie diet is very, very restrictive and quite frankly too low in protein”, if you want me to put it more clearly this is absolute rubbish.

If you read my reply to KT’s first post I was purely offering information, because I genuinely believed KT was unaware of much of what was happening outside of the SAD nutrition field. Because I thought some real life examples might help, I added links to a couple of individuals who show that it is perfectly possible to survive, building muscle as an athlete even, without consuming animal sourced complete protein. There are thousands of people living vibrantly (many athletes/body-builders) who do not get complete protein from animal sources, so it is palpably wrong to state that protein is a problem.

If you choose to believe this is wrong, even though examples are clearly visible, then fine, continue to eat meat/dairy or whatever it is you choose to access your complete protein. You’ll find plenty of studies to support your view that we must eat animal protein and you can ignore those that contradict that view, it still doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t supported by evidence of those thriving on a plant based diet.

We've probably reached the end of any useful discussion on this topic, I don't want to start getting into tedious posts quoting various studies to support our views and the way each amino acid works within our bodies etc. So, can we agree to disagree and for protein you eat something non-veggie and I'll chomp on a few green leaves

[Joeschmoe]

Originally Posted by nownow

I have read KT's posts I don't understand how you can say he does not understand the basics of nutrition. He did not say anything about protein that would suggest this. Maybe you just disagree with him?

Some people have accepted the idea that you don't need the 9 essential aminos at the same time; that some are pooled and can be made available when needed. This is an unproven and risky assumption IMO.
I will play it safe and make sure I get all my essential aminos at once.

Nobody knows how much protein an indivdual needs. 10% seems low and a little extra will not hurt you. Your mind may tell you sooner than your body.
Amino acids are the building blocks for neurotransmitters.
A high carb diet like 80-10-10 may lead to high of serotonin levels in the brain as the amino tryptophan will more readily be converted into serotonin.
Euphoria and sleepiness are symptoms of excess serotonin. A high protein diet may make someone manic as the stimulating aminos such as phenylalanine will block tryptophan conversion and will themselves be converted into dopamine. Our food choices are our drug choices.

This is my last post on the subject too, but i just wanted to say that the people who have been doing the 80/10/10 diet long term know for sure that they don't even need 10% calories from protein.

[AgentSully]

I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there is any downside to blending a lot of the raw food into smoothies?

Thanks

[{aspiring_to_clarity}]

I don't think so. It's not like cooking or adding preservatives or changing the nature of the food through processing. It's still considered whole food I would imagine.

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by AgentSully

I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there is any downside to blending a lot of the raw food into smoothies?

Yup. Having to clean the blenders.

[hatsoff2halford]

And if you only rely on blended foods then you can run into digestive problems. You need to keep eating solid foods as well.

[Gene]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

That's nothing compared to getting hit by a durian.

I like durian and am fortunate to have been living in Davao City Philippines which proclaims itself "Durian City" for the past seven years. In season the fragrant fruit is inexpensive and plentiful.

For me durian had a terrible smell before I tasted it for the first time. I took one bite and never found the smell oppressive again. It was much like eating garlic or onions after taking a bite the odor was unremarkable to me and the taste was wonderful.

I expect to move back to the U.S. in the next few months and the wide variety of exotic, fresh and value priced fruits are one of the many things I will miss after I leave.

[Jacko Green]

sorry to hear but not surprised that the raw food diet made you so sick. I hope you didn't do any serious damage to your health with all that sugar. Just make yourself a nice big stack of vegan pancakes and get well. keep up the good work.