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Old 01-30-2008, 01:21 PM
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I just heard podcast on 'nature of reality' and it tells that 'I' am the consciousness itself and all other things are included in it. Seems interesting. But it raised some questions in me and those i like to share,

If reality is so, why improve? You can be a part of consciousness as everyone and let go as it is.. What is the need for improvement or personal development? What is 'personal development' in that context? What to improve? Other than enjoy the consciousness and live. Why improve?

If you describe ‘Improvement’ as the improvement of the entire consciousness itself, and describe personal development as the development of entire consciousness, how can you (or I) know the consciousness needs improvement? Or development?

And Steve tells future is a projection, and does any 'improvement' happen in present? Or it’s the things we do to make a better tomorrow. Isn’t? If future is not there, why goto gym today for personal development?

I think the personal development as a business of ego in the basic. Steve, can you show some light into this? Please describe about the ego and its role in personal development.

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I just heard podcast on 'nature of reality' and it tells that 'I' am the consciousness itself and all other things are included in it. Seems interesting. But it raised some questions in me and those i like to share,

If reality is so, why improve? You can be a part of consciousness as everyone and let go as it is.. What is the need for improvement or personal development? What is 'personal development' in that context? What to improve? Other than enjoy the consciousness and live. Why improve?

If you describe ‘Improvement’ as the improvement of the entire consciousness itself, and describe personal development as the development of entire consciousness, how can you (or I) know the consciousness needs improvement? Or development?

And Steve tells future is a projection, and does any 'improvement' happen in present? Or it’s the things we do to make a better tomorrow. Isn’t? If future is not there, why goto gym today for personal development?

I think the personal development as a business of ego in the basic. Steve, can you show some light into this? Please describe about the ego and its role in personal development.
I'm not Steve (thank god) but I'll try to answer nonentheless from my own viewpoint.

First of all lets define the first mistake most people make; namely that they are only the ego yet and no more.
The ego is a part of you.
That which is you is much larger.

Personal Development is both recreating the ego into a vision that serves you and discovering that you are not the ego.

Both are tied together.

To change the ego, to mold it in the shape you want, you need to realize that you are not the ego.
If you are the ego it would be like ripping of a arm for the sake of becoming stronger. To the ego all of its parts are equally important, the bad and the good.
To the real you, the ego is a tool to be used, something you can change based on a vision you wish to achieve.

The ego is a marvelous tool, truly great but not incredibly conscious (or smart in that way).



This is where you get to the distinction of lightworker or darkworker (me thinks).

The darkworker will fashion the ego towards hailing is own greatness, that which he truly is. He'll mold it in the shape of himself, in the shape of the things he wishes to aquire. He enjoys the sensation of expanding his ego without becoming the ego. The size of your ego is never the problem, the problem is you defining yourself as the ego trapping yourself inside it.
On the inside his motivations are 'selfish' to celebrate his own greatness, on the outside (his actions) who knows. That depends on each particular darkworker.

The lightworker on the other hand will fashion the ego towards hailing the greatness of the whole. That which he truly is. He'll mold it in the shape of god and put it to use in his name. The ego becomes a tool to celebrate the glory of god and aid others in realizing the same.
The only way for the lightworker to be free is to be free from ego and free as in not attached to it, not identified with it.
On the inside his motivations are 'selfless' to celebrate the greatness of the whole, on the outside (his actions) who knows. That depends on each particular lightworker.



Both are free and both are incredibly motivated.





Ps. Note that I completely disagree with Steve that darkworker means fear. Perhaps in the lower regions when he's still identified with the ego however the same goes for the lightworker only for different reasons.
PPs. I don't particulary like defining both at all. The ones who are destined (I hate this word) to become light or darkworkers will do so out of there own free will when they are ready for it and they will find the tools they need.
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All consciousness is evolving. Personal development is a means of evolving.
It's as simple as that.
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All consciousness is evolving. Personal development is a means of evolving.
It's as simple as that.
Forget what I wrote above, this is it.
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:35 PM
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Let me explain bit more,

I have tried 30 day trials as Steve suggested, few were success and few were failures. When i get success, My ego gets success, i feel great because the need for personal development arose from the basic animal nature of us. We are animals basically and we do have fears as animals do and we like new sensations(as animals). So to survive and enjoying newer sensations we all feel a need, and personal development addresses that need. This is purely ego driven IMO.

As i know subjective reality, there is NO possibility of 'improvement' or 'development' or 'growth', The subjective reality is purely out of ego, if there is no ego, What is the thing which needs growth? consciousness? why consciousness need growth?? to grow from what to what? Do we want to eliminate all the earthquakes that concisenesses brings to us? we want to avoid thunder? life will improve without these? If we need any improvement, that is only for our ego. which compares and feels inferior and superior.

I read Steve posts about lightworkers and darkworkers. But i doesn't found answer to my question in that. IMO, lightworkers are also ego driven and animalistic in nature(maybe altruistic). For example. 'I feel great when i donated $100 to charity', in this case what is the entity which feels great? instead of ego?

The topic is 'Ego in personal development and SR'. I think many must be having the same question as mine.

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