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Glad to see the greens are helping. I'm guessing all of your greens have probably been organic. According to Rutgers University Study Comparing Organic versus Commercially Grown Foods organic produce is far superior to conventional in mineral content. For example spinach has twice as much calcium as conventional and 30 times as much iron. FYI, Kale seems to be a pretty good source of protein. Look up the RDA of protein / KG of weight for an average adult and multiply each Essential amino acid by 70 (for a 70 KG adult) and compare to the USDA nutrient content for 1 pound of raw kale. You get: Essential Amino -- mg/day RDA for 70KG Adult <==> mg/ one lb raw kale Histidine -- 560 <==> 313 Isoleucine -- 700 <==> 895 Leucine -- 980 <==> 1051 Lysine -- 840 <==> 895 Methionine + cystine -- 910 <==> 345 Phenylalanine +tyrosine -- 980 <==> 1298 Threonine -- 490 <==> 668 Tryptophan -- 245 <==> 182 Valine -- 700 <==> 820 The above references are from Green for Life by Victoria Boutenko.
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"Is it possible that the best way of eating is to stop assuming that food has any power over us except that which we give it via our beliefs?" For me, this is the most significant thing you have said since you started your month of raw eating. I'd love to see you do an experiment on this but how could you do it, I wonder? How can you experiment with what you're eating while not paying any attention to food or giving it any power? |
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Steve, You once said you'd reconsider a raw diet when you could afford to hire a chef to prepare it for you. Have you reached that stage now? Given the simplicity of your current raw diet, you probably wouldn't even need a full-fledged chef...
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Here are my (personal, not scientific) assumptions about food/eating: 1. Your body tells you what he needs. 2. Enjoy eating as often as you can. Take your time and worship your body by giving him, what he wants. 3. Why should some far away scientist know more about your needs, than you? 4. You won't die if you try something new once (at least this is true for most things Since I eat "this way", I feel better. I stopped worrying about what food could have negative effects on me and just try to enjoy eating. So if i want to eat raw, I eat raw. And if I need something cooked, so what? .... Believing all the scientific results about nutritions etc. would mean for me, that I also have to believe I have died several times. Obviously I didn't. (Or maybe I did, but I feel great anyway |
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Edit: I found some additional information, maybe this is about the research: A study conducted at Rutgers University (Bear et al., 1948) is frequently misquoted as evidence supporting the position that organically grown vegetables are significantly superior in minerals and trace elements to conventionally grown vegetables. In reviewing the original publication, one can clearly see that this was not the intention of the study nor does it give support to this premise. Variation in Mineral Composition of Vegetables.1 Soil Science Society of America Proceedings 1948, Volume 13. pp. 380-4, The Soil Science Society of America, Madison, Wisconsin, 1949. Last edited by Vantage72; 01-20-2008 at 10:18 AM. |
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Steve, I was also fascinated by your comment regarding the yogi. This is something that I have believed for a while - the ability we have to influence the effect upon ourselves of what we eat. My feeling is that probably when we reach that level of awareness, we no longer desire the foods that we previously longed for, but it does mean we could go for a slap up meal with our friends, drink them all under the table and feel fine, which has to be worth doing just once |
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A couple of months ago, I listened to a lecture collection by Ram Dass and he related that story (if I'm not mistaken). Here is an interview with Ram Dass: Interview with Ram Dass In it he talks about Neem Karoli Baba taking drugs... (search for the word "drug" to find the exact spot) |
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I read a similar story about a yogi who never ate anything at all; she just bathed herself in sunlight. I don't know about eyewitnesses, though. ;-)
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I too have asked myself similar questions while trying to optimise my vegan diet. I see that lots of people have certain opinions on what we should eat, what we shouldn't eat, etc. And then there are people who seem to do great on what, to me, doesn't seem like an "optimal" diet. Some people get very different results from different diets, and while you can put it down to a lot of things, I really wonder if there's more to it then meets the eye, much like I'm finding is the case with the rest of reality. I can look at what people eat and say, "You seem healthy, but from what I know about diet, you shouldn't be. Perhaps you'll have issues later on in life", but it didn't take me long to catch myself out there and notice that particular line of thinking was more about me trying to justify my notion of "what is healthy" and not about health itself and actual real world evidence. It's very easy to get caught up trying to justify your thinking such that you completely overlook real-world results, which is basically a form of ego identification and loss of awareness. Eckhart Tolle suggests that you should eat what your body feels drawn to -- what your body says "yes" to in a state of present moment awareness. Abraham (of Abraham-Hicks) says that you should not worry about what people say you should eat, but the beliefs you have about food, and eat what feels good to you (using your emotional guidance). If everything is energy anyway, it makes sense that being in alignment with your inner being/higher self is probably more important then the specific food you eat. (I could quote sources, but I really don't want to find them. Interestingly, I often use you, Steve, to fall back on when it comes to diet. I often think, "Steve's obviously done a lot of research, and he reports great results, so whatever he's doing must work on some level", and I go about optimising my results from there. But too often I think I get caught up in the specifics and I don't really consider all of the consequences. I've found that being too trusting of an info source can be detrimental. Not necessarily because the info you're reading is wrong (ie. the author is lying or misleading you), but because you don't have the big picture. What people write about is often only a snap shot of their experience, and they leave a lot of details out -- details that may be very important. Another things I've noticed is a pattern with a lot of your blog posts. A lot of what you write about simply doesn't work for me, but it seems to work great for you. It makes me wonder how much of what "you've found and discovered" works for you is more so about what you've created/manifested and it being a vibrational match for you. I see this often with other people as well. They claim certain things work for them, but then I try them and they don't work for me, and I wonder why there isn't some sort of universally applicable "thing that works". It would make sense, right? Sure, there are factors to consider, such as preferences, strengths, weaknesses, etc, but then I wonder how much of it is subjective -- how much of what people do "works" for them because (A) they believe it will, and (B) they've attracted that particular "tool" that works for them into their life via the LoA, etc? I tried to do this with career-type personal dev work, and I always come back to following my intuition, not going with what my intellect (and other people) tell me is intelligent. I've noticed that a lot of what you blog about is just the specifics of you playing around with certain beliefs you've had, etc. It took me a long time to correlate this info, but eventually I saw that at certain times (ie. certain months) you said you were experimenting with certain beliefs, and you got certain results because of it -- things that "worked" for you -- and then you reported the specifics without necessarily mentioning the "higher level" belief-orientated work you did (or at least, you didn't go into much detail about it, which is merely the issue of "blogging is good, but doesn't beat books when it comes to being holistic" coming up again). I have to question, did your experiments work because you believed they would? Do you get the results you do, not because specific, objective actions and methods, but because of your beliefs and what you are creating? If that's the case, it's more intelligent for me to "manifest" my own creations rather then try use yours to come into alignment with my desires, since that could very well be exactly what you're doing. I certainly don't have the answers here, but it sure is interesting territory. I've tried exploring it a bit, but I find I lack certain abilities (ie. ability to change beliefs efficiently -- I need to learn how still), and interestingly, while this all sounds good intellectually, my emotional guidance is telling me that it really isn't, and I should stick on the path I'm on. It's as if the question "to what degree do beliefs create reality?" seems to stem from an even deeper desire, such as maybe a desire for clarity, or a certain type of life experience, and my inner being/higher self is guiding me towards the more direct realisation of that, instead of me trying to go about it using "action" to compensate for vibration and the point of attraction I'm emanating. But then I have to wonder to what degree my experience of "I should follow my intuition" comes from my beliefs! I'm very much putting a lot of thought/attention on that type of mindset/beliefs right now, so perhaps I'm creating the results in alignment with my beliefs -- even when it comes to the notion of questioning if my beliefs create my experience! All very interesting stuff. Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.
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I was just further pondering what I wrote above, and thought, "hmm, that's all very high level. I bet, when it comes down to it, you couldn't just, say, bath in the light of the sun even if you believed that's all you needed -- you'd need at least some form of physical sustenance". But then I was reminded of a quote I got from my Abraham-Hicks quote of the day email subscription today: Quote:
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Are we just beginning to toy with our new "creation" powers, only to move beyond this silly "manifesting money" and other trivialities and more onto greater (and previously unquestioned) things? (I think I've been popping a few too many red pills today. I'll take a blue pill to help balance them out.
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Ie. If you focus on manifesting a feather, particularly one coloured blue, you might be looking on the ground for loose feathers from a bird. But perhaps the feather will manifest on a bird that flies past you. Perhaps it will manifest in an image, such as in an advertisement you see, or in a magazine you're reading. The basic premise is that you should loosen up your expectations when it comes to manifesting things and focus on the essence of the intention. Perhaps focusing on "what's important is not what we eat, but our beliefs about food" as an intention/belief to install might end up having very interesting, and unexpected results.
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@Bruce: You raise many interesting points, partly explaining why I decided to make a career out of this. Figuring out how reality truly works is so fascinating to me that I couldn't leave it to be a side hobby. You're right that I share what works for me and that it may not necessarily work for everyone else. Pretty much everything I share works for some people but not for others. I don't think it's wise to follow anyone's advice blindly, but the benefit of advice is that it can help you discover new ideas you may not have otherwise tried. Even when advice seems sound, it's still a trial and error process to apply it as individuals. The simple act of trying something new is an awareness-raising experience. I'm learning a great deal from this 30-day trial that I'd have otherwise remained blind to, and much of it has nothing to do with diet. And by sharing it and having the opportunity to get feedback from others, I'm learning even more. It's so important for us to be able to set our egos aside and just dive in and test something without being attached to outcomes or to a need to be right. Perhaps the greatest outcome of all is the personal experience of the journey and the inner growth we enjoy along the way, regardless of the objective results.
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Hi Steve. I haven't been going through all the forum posts, so I don't know if someone suggested this before. Why not get some nitrile gloves to wear while you're peeling fruits? I'm not sure which moisturizer you were planning to use, but I like the message behind Burt's Bees. I even posted about them in today's speed linking. The slogan is “Earth Friendly Natural Personal Care for The Greater Good.” I'm sure you can appreciate that.
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| I believe they are talking about the power food has over us, not drain cleaning products. Food in assuming things that humans can successfully eat. I doubt anybody here would want to do a 30 day trial on drinking a cleaning product.
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> So far my body fat has dropped 1.7 percentage points, which averages to about 1/10 of 1% per day. > Whatever else you might conclude about this diet, it does seem to be an effective way to lose extra body fat and boost energy levels. I guess that's why it's popular among certain athletes. > My weight dropped 0.6 pounds to 178.4. Net weight loss is 7.6 pounds in 18 days. You have lost 7.6 pounds in 18 days. You have lost between 3 - 3.2 pounds of fat and between 4.4 - 4.6 pounds of lean body mass. That is an approximate ratio of 2:3 body fat to lean body mass loss. This is what one would expect to see with a diet that has a dramatic reduction in calories. But this isn't a calorie reduced diet so your body is wasting / shedding lean mass in a caloric surplus environment - that goes against the traditional grain. Why is your body shedding lean body mass in this case? 1) It is possible that you are not feeding your body enough usable sugar. Fructose isn't a type of sugar that dramatically increase muscle stores of glycogen. If less glycogen is being stored in the muscles, the body will hold on to less water so there will be a decrease in lean mass. This is what we see with those individuals who go on a severely reduced carbohydrate diet. It may be that your a shedding wet lean mass and your overall muscle weight is remaining the same; so no cause for concern. 2) It is possible that the body is wasting muscle tissue in an attempt to get more amino acids to fuel gluconeogenesis. This is what we would expect to see in a diet that is made up of very nutrient dense foods that are low is usable energy - this is a possibility given that fructose is your primary source of energy. If this is the case, you are losing dry muscle mass and your metabolism is actually slowing down; something to keep your eye on. Your body temperature is a good indicator of this and your last reading had it down about 1 degree which translates into about a 10% slow down. I'm not surprised that your body fat is dropping. Your blood sugar level has probably been fairly stable for the last 19 days (as you reported in today's post) so there has been no spikes of insulin to promote fat storage. Assuming this *fact* your body is functioning in the here and now with no efforts being made to store ANYTHING for the future. Your euphoria is the emotional representation of your body's state to being. I have little doubt that this is a better way to live given the physical and mental demands of your life. I am going to continue to hold off on recommending a raw food diet to anyone who is attempting to increase their lean body mass because what I have read and what your trial is confirming is that raw food only choices do not increase lean mass. Keep at it Steve! I'm really enjoying your trial and I think the information it is uncovering is important. |
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A chunk of the weight loss was simply from emptying my digestive track. Cooked food stays in the body significantly longer than raw food. My greatest weight loss happened on the first day of this diet from going to the bathroom a lot. My strength and endurance have increased a little since the start of this trial, so if I'm losing muscle, what's left is apparently getting stronger.
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I have been following your blogs for a while, which has been exceedingly helpful to me. I have also been listening to Abraham-Hicks, which also helps. And....I have come to believe that at some level there are no limitations to anything. If I could get past my limiting beliefs, then "bathing in sunlight" for food, or manifesting a car out of thin air, must be possible. I have this visualization of an energy field, with my energetic self passing through (or being a part of) and that is where all manifestations occur. This is also a limiting belief, but it works for me for now. I too believe that we will move past the "little" manifestations of money and things, and start working on the level where all is possible. I just hope I can move through this quickly enough to do it in this lifetime. I do believe that there will come a time when we will look back on our humble beginnings of manifestation and pat our little past selves on the head and know that it was where we had to begin.....we couldn't have known the extent of our power. Thank you for sharing your self with all of us Steve. I may not agree with everything you do, but I am continuously inspired by your journeys! MgC |
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That's really a conundrum you brought up! I do suspect the Middle Way is wise. As I said on your Day 18 blog forum, I wouldn't want to risk permanent neurological damage to a child by being a vegan pregnant/nursing mother, and trusting Subjective Reality to make B12 for the baby out of the ethers. Also wouldn't feed a small child vegan today, even though I did that with my children. Just too risky, IMO. If B12 has to be supplemented, then that means the diet is inadequate. This is a no-brainer, even for vegan-brained me (these days). But, it's still a puzzle to me. My idealism longs for dietary purity, etc., etc., but I heavily suspect this part of myself of being flaky these days. Last edited by Megan; 01-20-2008 at 10:36 PM. |
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Hi, Steve. For our (including the children) favorite green smoothie, we put: bananas, frozen mangoes, pineapple and kale. I use fresh-squeezed orange juice instead of the water- that makes a big difference. The 3-year old always ask to add half an avocado, but I usually just hand her the whole avocado to gobble. |
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Personally I'd rather supplement with a pill than with a cow though. There are vegan B12 supplements available. To me it would be no big deal to take one if I thought I really needed it. One thing people overlook is that you can eat lots of meat and still have a B12 deficiency, so supplementing with animal products doesn't get you out of the woods. Meat eaters can run into B12 assimilation problems.
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Cattle are now given supplementary B12, because their modern-day feedlot diet is insufficient in that nutrient. So, yeah, eating meat for B12 makes no more sense than just supplementing directly with the B12, which is probably unnecessary for just about everyone, vegan or not. I may have posted this link before, but here's the best article I've read on B12. It does recommend supplementation, but also clearly explains why that's probably not needed: The McDougall Newsletter - Vitamin B12 Deficiency, The Meat Eaters' Last Stand |
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Hi Steve (and everyone), Thank you so much for your writing. I discovered your site a few months ago and thoroughly enjoy reading and listening to the wealth of ideas and experiences you are sharing. I have learned a lot and been greatly inspired and provoked by who you are and what you do. Your series on career fulfillment helped and supported me in making the decision to resign from my ‘slave job’ and I am very excited about starting a new and improved version of ‘working life’ in 2 weeks’ time! Thank you for sharing your journey and encouraging me to step out of my comfort zone towards freedom and fulfillment! This is my first post and what prompted it was your (what I consider) brilliant idea in ‘Raw Food Diet – Day 19’ about changing your beliefs about food rather than restricting your diet further and further. Yes! Yes! Yes! I would love to support you in exploring this idea! This is a perspective on food that makes the most sense to me from the ‘subjective reality/law of attraction/thoughts create reality’ point of view. How can there be any fixed ‘reality’ about food? How can a raw carrot be more healthy than a revolting piece of fried chicken? I am under the impression that the vast majority of people have very firm beliefs about the ‘healthiness of food’ (there is so much knowledge ‘out there’ about the effect of food on the body) – and I am currently among them. But I have already started opening myself to changing these beliefs and it makes sense to me that we could do this. Even the idea that someone could get sick from lead toxicity – or any, as you say, external cause. We could believe that our bodies are supremely healthy in all circumstances – that our body’s ability to be healthy is way more powerful than any little heavy metal toxin or rancid piece of chicken. [confusing alternate possibility: Or: If we are vibrating at the frequency of wellness do we just naturally attract other ‘high vibration’ objects into our reality via, for example, a natural desire to eat only ‘healthy’ food????? Do things really have a vibration other than those we assign them?] I have a belief that holds me back with this food idea – that I can’t just be there now. That I have to be far more ‘spiritually developed’ than I am now (like the yogis in the drugs and sunlight examples) – that ordinary people like me can’t achieve this level of belief change and the resulting positive manifestation. But seriously – that is crap, isn’t it – we can do it now! I don’t think it would work to deliberately eat food that you are not attracted to (like maybe deep fried chicken) – but maybe you could do 30 days of eating just whatever you like with no rules – anything and everything that attracts you and you get enjoyment from. This would need to be combined with a belief that you can be healthy, clear headed, energetic, your ideal weight, etc completely independent of what you eat. Whether you do or don’t go through with this I’m glad that you, me and others on this thread are intrigued with this idea! |
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In today's blog, you state "If I want to make an interesting and satisfying raw meal, it takes me a good 30-45 minutes. If I just want to satisfy my hunger quickly, I can whip up a green smoothie in a few minutes or just down a bunch of bananas. If I favor the efficiency side, I won’t go hungry, but I’ll end up eating virtually the same thing day after day. That gets monotonous really fast and seems to magnify cravings for something different. " Just a couple comments: I have a vitamix, too, and use it often, but I'm aware that sometimes it is a time waster rather than a time saver - I could actually eat the food faster without the blending time & vitamix cleaning time. I don't have a juicer, but suspect the same may be true for that. As for the worries about monotony - that passes very quickly. When you're used to stimulating yourself with food, you feel a need for that stimulation and crave it. But, like other forms of stimulation (spices, caffeine, television, etc.), it really doesn't take long to lose the desire for it. As long as the meals are good enough to taste good when you're hungry, that's all you need. Any more than that, and you're just asking for trouble (to paraphrase a line from the movie Defending Your Life). Or, at the very least, you are eating for purposes (entertainment, reliving boredom, stimulation) that can be satisfied by other activities. Really, there's plenty of variety just eating different fruits in season, even if you are primarily mono-mealing. And that reduces the prep time to just about zero. I think it's Dr. Graham who recommends meals utilizing 5 ingredients or less that take 5 minutes or less to prepare. |
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