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| wow my first ever post. i'm getting so many ideas from this raw food diet to incorporate into my own diet. now i bought okra yesterday, but was suprised by the hairy outer which, if you run your fingers up the fruit, is actually kind of sharp, like there are hidden prickles in the skin. is this ok? i was too scared to munch into it, in case it was like artichoke where you couldn't eat certain parts. do i need to do something to prepare it before eating it (raw)?? steve - love your work. thanks |
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| Hi Steve, as the above post say, I think too that 30 % of fat intake is quite okay. I am studying "Oecotrophologie" in Germany and my opinion is based on the Standards of the "DGE" (let's say "German Associatioin of Nutrition"). I second that the composition of the fat is important. I wrote a few articles about sport and nutrition on my blog, you can see that sportsmen who should go for a maximum of carbs, still should eat 20% fat: Ernährung bei Kraft- und Ausdauersportarten | fitfuttern There are some numbers in it, based on a german science book (Citation is in it. I just want to point out, that there are other organisations which are claiming the 30% and have nothing to do with US-Business. Moreover I think that the DGE is not biased recommending businessfriendly standards. In Germany nutrition-related diseases are costing so much money that it is a burden for the whole health-system. |
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| I'm a little late suggesting this, I know, but do you have a blood sugar testing device, Steve? I think it would be interesting, and important, to see how your blood sugar is responding to all this fruit.
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__________________ The fact is that scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge are already married. --Muktananda Last edited by Megan : 01-19-2008 at 12:16 PM. |
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A healthy, fit human will get most of their ATP from fat metabolism. There's literally tons of studies to support these statements. Just hit google and put aside the afternoon to read and learn. |
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__________________ The fact is that scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge are already married. --Muktananda Last edited by Megan : 01-19-2008 at 12:56 PM. |
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| Hi Steve, regarding dry and cracking skin after more frequent hand washing, make sure you aren't using "liquid soap", don't know what you call it in the USA, but anything that you pump from a dispenser. It isn't soap in the chemical sense and I know from experience it's a lot more harsh. It doesn't normally matter but if you suddenly have to start washing your hands more frequently, these skin problems appear. Switch to a bar of soap, real chemical soap. It's a lot more gentle. I developed bleeding cracked skin over the knuckles and it gets very sore, with the skin tearing open repeatedly. Switching to soap made it disappear quickly. |
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| Wow, steve you opened a flood gate. I think that you just can't argue with people who think that they are right even though they have never tried it for themselves. I prefer to listen to people who've been low fat raw vegan for many years and see what they think about tooth loss, and energy levels. But it''s interesting to see how enraged and closed minded people get when you question some of their base beliefs. |
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| Enraged and closed-minded? Question my basic beliefs? Are you serious? As I said, I'm mostly vegan (& eat a lot of raw food), and have been vegetarian most all my life. I'd say I'm pretty open-minded to question what I've been doing for most of my life. Maybe it has something to do with my low energy and broken teeth...but I'm still not open-minded enough to start eating meat again. I'd probably try the 80/10/10 diet, if I hadn't read about the dental problems associated with high-fruit diets, and if I didn't already have dental problems, and if I weren't concerned about high blood insulin levels possibly resulting from high carb diets. (That's why I hope Steve starts monitoring his blood sugar.) I have no idea where you got the idea that I was "enraged." I don't see Steve as some sort of guru who can't be questioned, and I don't think he sees himself that way at all. He learns from other people all the time. That's what intelligent people do. I'll bet he comes back with thoughtful answers to the questions I've posed.
__________________ The fact is that scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge are already married. --Muktananda Last edited by Megan : 01-19-2008 at 02:18 PM. |
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| Hi Steve! Many rawfoodists don't appreciate greens that much. A good way to like them is to incorporate your greens (kale, romaine, spinach, etc.) in the smoothies. No more big saladds then! Very good! (Try to add banana in the smoothies and it will be a delight!) Karine |
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| That's what I do--fill half the blender with raw greens, add 6 oz. of pineapple juice, a banana, some acerola cherry powder--yum!
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| Well, I've been busy & haven't been keeping up on the blogs, much less on the forums discussing this 30-day trial. I see that others, not surprisingly, have raised the blood sugar issues, and that Steve answered them: http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/s...-too-high.html Still haven't seen any "enraged" posts, but I'm glad you didn't think I was enraged. But, in the name of science, and 30-day trials, and Megan's curiosity
__________________ The fact is that scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge are already married. --Muktananda Last edited by Megan : 01-19-2008 at 03:02 PM. |
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| It hasn't had any adverse effect on my blood sugar as far as I can measure. The numbers have stayed in a very narrow and consistent range. I haven't seen a single spike. I think my highest reading so far was 91, which is still on the medium-low side. No matter how much fruit I eat, it just doesn't spike my blood sugar in any measurable way.
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| Thanks, Steve--I had just come back to post this quote of yours from the other thread: Quote:
Just had my blood glucose tested free at the mall yesterday--89--and I didn't eat 8 bananas Just want to hold on to my teeth though.
__________________ The fact is that scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge are already married. --Muktananda Last edited by Megan : 01-19-2008 at 03:41 PM. |
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| One of the big challenges with seeking truth via external sources is that you tend to find evidence of whatever you're looking for. For example, on the dental problem issue, I have read stories about dental problems caused by a largely fruitarian diet, but I've also read reasonable explanations of why this happens. Many raw foodists eat a lot of dried fruits and dehydrated foods which stick to the teeth and feed the bacteria which causes tooth decay. These aren't technically "whole foods" anymore because the water has been removed. It's almost like eating candy, and some raw foodists consume a great deal of such foods. That's one of the reasons I'm avoiding dried fruits and dehydrated foods on this diet. I knew about this potential problem before I started my trial and decided to play it safe. Personally I have not read about tooth problems from people who shun dried fruits and dehydrated foods -- I'm not saying there aren't any, just that I haven't seen any yet. Then there's the other side, where people report dental improvements while on the raw food diet (not always fruitarian though). In the book Raw Family, the author reports that one of her kids saw a major improvement in his teeth after going raw, including having his fillings pop out. Another problem is that when people encounter health problems on a raw diet (or even a vegan diet), they will often jump to the conclusion that it's caused by the diet, an assumption they don't always make when heath problems occur during more common diets. Ultimately, truth is a matter of prediction. There are plenty of reasonable predictions for what will happen on a high-fat SAD diet. The predictions for the particular diet I'm on seem to be all over the place though, so I need some direct experience to fill in the gaps as much as possible.
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| Steve, as mentioned before, your claims about fat intakes on day 18 of your website are not in line with the majority of research that I am familiar with. For example: "30% is well into the range of serious long-term health problems. " Can you explain that? If you would be refering to saturated fats it would be correct, in reference to polyunsaturated fats it's incorrect. Quote:
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| A mandoline could help you add diversity to your salads. Slice carrots and radishes in small sticks or long thin slices and serve with lemon juice and/or other greens. Tomatos and fresh basilic make a great salad too. Fresh herbs are a must. You should also start making your own sprouts. It's easy to do and does not take much time when you include them in your routine. They add so much taste, freshness and crunchy to everything! Sprouted Broccolis and mung beans are my favorites so far. |


