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09-21-2007, 03:08 PM
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 I think that events like these more solidify the LOA rather than contradicts it. If you are in it just for the money you will attract similar circumstances (hungry and desperate media, gullible people). I am not saying who is right or wroung in this case, all I am saying that all of these events seemed to be sprung from the same seed, GREED. Also, some people mistakingly equates riches and wealth which can be very dangerous.      |
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09-21-2007, 04:09 PM
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| I doubt that there would be multiple people speaking out against Schirmer if there wasn't some validity to the claims. There were several people on the ACA programs, and Schirmer did agree to refund their money on camera. Then he didn't. Here's a blog about it that goes into a few more specifics. David Schirmer Exposed - The Secret I guess the court system will figure it out in the end.
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09-21-2007, 04:28 PM
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 Who the heck would watch that?! "Actor ______ cought with a hooker in a bathroom stall, recorded on cell phone camera, tune it at 7:00 for exclusive footage!" <---- People will setup their PVR to record that! BTW, there *IS* this site: HappyNews.com - All The News That's Fun To Print
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09-21-2007, 04:31 PM
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09-21-2007, 04:45 PM
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| That's classic!
__________________ We are continually faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. - John W. Gardner |
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09-21-2007, 04:53 PM
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I'm curious, how do you reconcile the idea of unconditional love and acceptance vesus giving silent approval?
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09-21-2007, 06:05 PM
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| Unconditional love and acceptance is really about loving the person for who they really are and accepting them all the way through for their humanity, flaws and all. To love that person you would honour them and what you see as their very best and if their actions don't reflect their best then, with love, you do what you can to better them. This could be guidance, help, talking or even punishment, as long as it is centered in caring. Silent Approval is lack of love, often covered by fear. Too scared or unwilling to step in and shake things up. Letting stuff slide and ignoring problems in fear of something awful happening. That's how I see it. |
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09-21-2007, 07:14 PM
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| The video makes it look like David screwed his own customers/students. Yet David in his letter claims it was former employees and business associate that are were making the claims. Which is it? Not that it really matters anyway since I don't know this guy. However he did say he would pay those people back...and if he truly was innocent, why would he say something like that? On the other hand, he answered "yes" when he responded that he knew the people - that makes it more likely those people were his former employees/business associates. |
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09-21-2007, 08:02 PM
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Of course David is lying. Do you think that if those people in the videos really were his former employees/business associates he wouldn't have said so when he was confronted by the interviewer? Why did he squirm so much without knowing what (lie) to say if those people really were his business associates/employees? If they really were what he says, we would have easily defended himself on that video where he is massacred by the interviewer.
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09-21-2007, 08:54 PM
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| Just remember the interviewer and his company edited and presented that footage. Not saying the man is guilty and not saying he isn't, but I don't think what we saw was the whole story. Where are the impartial investigators? And what do they say?
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09-21-2007, 09:21 PM
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| Its interesting to me that Abraham-Hicks dropped out of the Secret and it had to be re-edited before it went on Oprah. They cited "aggressive marketing" as the reason and that it was not their style. Maybe they saw all this coming? |
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09-21-2007, 09:41 PM
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David completely lost his composure, he was squirming a lot. Even if they did edit the video, if David wasn't lying he wouldn't squirm so much. As someone who is used to this kind of stuff (media/public speaking) he wouldn't "freak out" for no reason as he did on this video. No amount of editing can do that. By the way, David should take some lessons from brazilian politicians on how to lie convincingly 
__________________ All that matters is results. Last edited by Sam988 : 09-21-2007 at 09:44 PM. |
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09-21-2007, 11:55 PM
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Obviously they're the ones cutting it together - so they can do that for maximum impact. All they need is for him to squirm once and they can work that in. And they're also the ones asking the questions (and the cameras are rolling on him the whole time, even when they're doing the asking). So they can cut off his answers, interrupt him, ask questions forcefully and repeatedly. So if he ever looks slightly annoyed of flabbergasted at this - bam - they've got the footage. And they're well practiced at it. Even before the interview they've pretty much decided what the final segment will look like - so they know what to aim for. So he could have easily spent 4 hours looking cool and collected. And three minutes looking shocked. Those are the three minutes they'll be using. Once more - I can't say that he's a saint - but I know for sure that ACA is not. There's really no way to tell without seeing the uncut interview footage. Indeed, if I were going to be interviewed on a subject like that, I'd insist on bringing my own camera to capture everything. But there's not much opportunity for that with this kind of nonsense ambush journalism. |
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09-22-2007, 03:50 AM
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| "Coming up next on A Current Affair .. 'The Tenants from Hell!!!', a family of 4 destroyed this old mans home by leaving it messy when he rented it to them! And after that 'The Landlord from Hell' .. a cranky old man who kicked out a poor family of 4 after they did nothing wrong!" I really dislike Today Tonight and A Current Affair because they are nothing but a twisting of the truth in order to sensationalise an issue and to make you think a certain way, which lowers awareness for no good reason. They don't outright lie of course, because that would be bad, they just use the essence of lying to edit a story to meet their own agenda. I do see this is a good opportunity to raise our own awareness however, by looking at the story in multiple perspectives. Did he wrongly trick people into giving him money? Probably. Was it something controversial that could be used by the media to sensationalise an issue? Definately. Should be believe the media outright about this issue? Hell no. Does his actions diminish the worth you can get from The Secret? Nopes. Can we learn something from it? Of course. And the last question would be, in all of what's happened, what can we learn from it that would raise our awareness? If you agree or disagree with the story or the way it's presented, you missed the opportunity. |
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09-22-2007, 05:17 AM
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| a few things: first, what aspect of David Schirmer and his business is being exposed? it seems that this guy has a lot of business ventures under his umbrella, how many of his total business dealings involve this type of transaction? is it possible that these dealings were an administrative oversight? second, this blog post is surprisingly unlike Steve to post! he doesn't seem like one to point fingers. sure we can learn from some what not to do, but that is often better achieved by focusing our energies on what is the right thing to do. |
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09-22-2007, 08:43 AM
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| Personally, this wasn't of any value to me. Not because the majority of news is brainwash; not because 'The Secret' was kinda weak; but because I didn't learn about LoA through that video. Right after watching 'The Secret' my friends and I googled 'law of attraction' and found Steve's website. I watched 'The Secret' once and only once. You could say it was sort of like a path. I'm aware of how popular 'The Secret' has gotten. I realized it was mainstream when I saw the book at the mall. I've even heard some kids talk about it in class. And now this. The amount of hype 'The Secret' has been receiving makes me feel a little uneasy. From what I can remember 'The Secret' only skims the surface of LoA and leaves much to the imagination. I hope that people out there are curious enough to do a little research and don't just accept or reject what is given to them. Question everything and find out the truth for yourself. Just my 2 cents! One love  |
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09-22-2007, 08:54 AM
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| Off topic 2 cents: As someone who is from Continental Europe, I think the goal of being a millionaire sounds SO Anglo Saxon (US especially). Not saying this is not a great goal though. Just that I am sure there's some social conditionning in it. |
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09-22-2007, 10:27 AM
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| I don't know if he is guilty or not. If I really wanted to know, I would like some personal experience with him, or much more info than a media hit up. Here's an actual experience of mine with the media. Its your choice to believe me or not, but I could prove every detail beyond the slightest doubt. When I was around 21, I had a pretty radical period, and I had lost my drivers license for 12 months, having lost it twice before. There was a couple of days to go, before getting it back. A good work mate had left his E Type jag with another good workmate and I who rented together. He wanted it driven to keep it running well. This night it was pouring, I was stuffed from surfing, and was supposed to take a girl to some work ball of hers. I was going to get a bus, then a taxi from her place. My mate starts on about just taking the jag, we are having a joint, its only a couple of days, I'd got away with driving it a bit, so... As soon as I've pulled onto the main road, I passed a police car, in the pouring rain, which did a u turn and started following me. Disaster. I figure its okay, I'm driving well and slowly, and drive around for 15-20 minutes hoping they would drop off. Nup, next thing, flashing lights and they pulled me over. I blew it and said it was my mates car, and in panic, gave the name of the guy I was living with. As they were going to check, I corrected it, and started explaining the real story, about the other mate. That got them really fired up, and they put me in the back of their car, while they checked out the jag, which I agreed to allow them to search. Admittedly, I wasn't real good to deal with, as back then, I despised authority and was pretty agro. The back of the police car was full of empty drink cans (alcohol) so, I started stirring them up, suggesting that both the officers pudginess was due to drinking, and that the lady officer had to get smashed to look at him... So they were frothing. The guy searches and comes back with a paper bag full of dope. 'Is this yours?' 'No.' You are coming with us.' And I got my own back on the way into the watchhouse, as they stirred the #### out of me. And it wasn't my dope, or my mates, we never kept it in the car, ever. At the watchouse, unbeknowns to me, Dick Wordley a reporter who wrote for the Sunday paper, was sniffing around for anything for his column. I came in with this story about not my dope, and not my car, borrowed car. They had asked me if I smoked cigarettes and I said no, because I didn't. Meanwhile, I am wearing a jacket of my father's I had grabbed a few days earlier, to get into the ball. They emptied the pockets, and out dropped strands of tobacco, as my father was a chain smoker. Not my coat, I borrowed it, not my tobacco. All totally true. I got let out early next morning after being fingerprinted, and having given my brothers details as mine, so they knew nothing about my suspended license. I bolted to a mate who was a lawyer, who was spewing at me, and who told me we had to turn myself in, that they would soon discover the truth. In the meantime, the Sunday paper comes out with a beat up of my story plastered all over it. They called it 'Jobless Harry borrows his troubles'. Although they couldn't use my real name, they tried hard to make it known who I was. I was portrayed as an unemployed drug dealer, car thief, who assaulted police, and who made a joke of the law with my cocky lies. Plenty of people figured out it was me from the article, and I got plenty of flack. The end result...thankfully I had a deluxe lawyer, who, for free, after he, having spoken to the officers and prosecuter, in his own words decided he was, 'gonna get these lying scumbags'. He investigated and exposed that the officers lied, falsified evidence, collaborated stories, and had a string of identical arrests, as they were aiming to get promotion to the drug squad. I was found completely innocent of those charges, but guilty of driving without a license, and given leniancy for giving a false name, considering what was happening. The police had to pay me damages, the guilty officers were both demoted and transferred to the country, and the case set a precident. Nothing, not one word in the paper or anywhere, absolutely nothing. Before that, I honestly never would have really believed that the police and press would lie, be corrupt, and deliberately twist the truth. A few years Later, I witnessed another, similar experience with the media, described in this thread; TED Talks | Dan Dennett: Can we know our own minds? in the Spirituality, Consciousness, & Awareness forum. The guy has made counter claims, so lets see them followed up, and the reaction of the accusers under thorough investigation and scrutiny, and the same tactics. I find it hard that a futures trader doesn't know the full details of any positions he is holding, but, then again, don't find it hard to see why someone wouldn't want their financial details totally aired in public. I also find it hard to fathom that someone able to be involved in the production of something like the secret can't get it together to air counter claims, but can fathom that he may not want others dragged into the firing line of the biased, corrupt media. Having said the above, in my experience, you can't trust the media version and construction without further investigation. Personally, I don't have much time for the current state of advertising and its power and role in our society. |
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09-22-2007, 11:18 AM
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| Wow, this is pretty sick. But at the same time it motivates me to give even more free stuff and be even more genuine to my visitors. This David Schirmer guy is the exact opposite of what I want to be. It kinda saddens me how many are pursuing monetary goals and doing everything to get it. I know I have been conditioned to some extent because these thoughts creep into my mind. My first website was aimed at selling instantly and it felt wrong ever since I put the website up. Luckily I listened to my inner demons and started a new one, which feels a lot better. I'm a rambler, what are you going to do? Cheers |
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09-22-2007, 01:05 PM
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| ACA always uses those tactics - I never watch it because it's so dodgy. David Schirmer hired a PR company? They let him put that fumbling video on youtube? I can't understand how this guy even made money. I could understerstand if he actually sounded convincing in what he was teaching, but he doesn't. That video was posted in may on youtube, but I don't see his subsequent "stay tuned" videos. It's funny Bob Proctor came across in the secret as a caring individual, but he came acoss in a very different light on that video. |
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09-22-2007, 02:33 PM
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| The people who gave David Schrimer the money were attracted to him. Like attracts like and all parties had the same thing on their mind MONEY. Both the winners and the losers playing victim when the truth came out. The real winners are the people who did not invest. Here's some Adolf Hitler Quotes: 'All propganda has to be popular and has to accomodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.' Another Adolf Hitler Quote: Make the lie big, make it simple , keep saying it and eventually people will believe it. Today marketing has become so manipulative that the game is to outsmart the consumer. A new breed of marketing videos drive the global market. There's another one out there called the Wellness Revolution. It's the same formula - mix a universal truth with a product and watch the money role in. In many ways consumers were primed to buy more than the product that was the DVD they also primed to buy the investment services and the aspirational lifestyle dream. As regards the secret the only true part is the 'atitude of gratitude' I see this happening in the UK there is so much phoney branding with nearly every person with a website using the word passionate to describe themselves and the stuff that they are selling. Everybody needs to pay the bills but integrity does not need to go out the window. I see this site as authentic and that's why I am here. There's a book called Never Be Lied To Again by David Lieberman, PH.D it's really good as regards lie detection. |
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09-23-2007, 06:17 AM
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