Subjective Reality vs. Solipsism (Blog)

[Savage]

Use this thread to discuss the following entry from Steve Pavlina's blog:

Subjective Reality vs. Solipsism

[ethereal]

Thank you so so so much for this article It helped cleared up so many things for me, and for many other readers I bet.

I agree that it's a hard switch to make -- you have to know where to "look" to see into that SR lens. For me, it's kind of feels like falling backwards, into the Witness Consciousness that is allowing this whole drama of the world to take place. The consciousness that is watching everything if you kick your ego out of the way, when you pretend that your mind and body isn't even there.

Another way to perhaps see into it is when you drop all thought/mentalization, and see everything without labels, without objectifying things. To see things as they are, without your mind there to think about it.

What seems to really help for me slip into that state, is to see an object, and then pretend that my body-mind wasn't there to observe it -- what awareness is left? Then try applying it to your own body-mind, pretend you aren't there to be aware of yourself. It's an interesting experience

I think this is what the zen koan, "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" is referring to

Would love to hear other people's stories and techniques on how to see through SR.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by ethereal

What seems to really help for me slip into that state, is to see an object, and then pretend that my body-mind wasn't there to observe it -- what awareness is left? Then try applying it to your own body-mind, pretend you aren't there to be aware of yourself. It's an interesting experience

That's an awesome way of thinking about it IMO. There are many paths that can take us there, but the key element is being able to release the ego perspective at some point. The ego can take us as far as solipsism, but that's where it gets stuck.

Letting go of our ego identities can be both terrifying and fascinating at the same time, but when that part of the dream story starts to unfold, it's really hard not to turn the next page, if for no other reason that sheer curiosity.

[cdn2wheeler]

Steve, I'd like you to take a quick look at something for me. See this thread, specifically post 11 regarding subjective/objective reality.

[Michael Chui]

Allegory of the Cave, much?

[Jesse E]

Very cool post and it clears things up a lot.

One thing I disagree with though is the last section. How is subjective reality any more accurate than any other lens?

Isn't believing in objective reality just as accurate as believing in subjective?

Because after all, there's not any real way for us to know the true nature of consciousness, so it's more a personal preference rather than a choice based on accuracy.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by Jesse E

Isn't believing in objective reality just as accurate as believing in subjective?

Not believing in subjective reality is less accurate than believing in it.

[Jesse E]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Not believing in subjective reality is less accurate than believing in it.

Why?

There's no possible way to show whether or not subjective reality is the true nature of reality, therefore it's equally accurate to either believe in it or to not believe in it.

[songwriter]

Or The Matrix.
Neo first don't "dreams lucid while awake"... till... he starts to believe after the Morpheus talk (The Red Pill) and he alters the wall... then into the Future World... he fights into the simulators and fails the big jump... then he starts to master it... then he becomes better and better... till he's able to fly and such... that's the end of Matrix 1.

The very fun thing that many people realizes is that continues in Matrix 2. When he touches the Squids without fear (Because "There's no Squids" ), they vanish away. He gives life to Trinity just because he thinks it's possible to do it.

And then comes Matrix 3. The harder to understand.... He has freed his mind such... that notices that "The Real World" is like The Matrix too... or like a lucid dream... he can alter all the laws. He's blind but he can see. And he notices that the "threating machines" are shining gold creatures... or maybe he just... alters it... he mades them friendly instead of dangerous. He believes in love instead of hate, so his Spirit don't fight back to him (the 300000 squids and such). And he ends just wanting "Peace" believing it can happen and "Let there Peace". The Spirit don't fight back cause he's in peace with himself...

He's the one... but there are more people. He's the one because he has the hability to master subjective reality more than any other. Sometimes he doubts a lot he's "the one" or that he's been able to "lucid dream awake" but he keeps trying anyway... mostly for Love or Gratitude for Morpheo or Trinity.
Trinity has some "the one-powers too"... he refuses to admit Neo is dead and she kisses him to resurrection. Like Neo Refuses to die in front of the Smith and then sees the Matrix as green codes and nothing more that he can alter.

Neo refuses the war is gonna destroy all the humans... and seen the things as they really are, open to manipulation in the very end of Matrix Revolutions too.

"You are God"... and everyone's God too. Some more than others... for me "subjective reality" are confusing words. :-/ I would say "mentally changeable universe".

Very big words I know.

[Savage]

Coincidentally (or not?), the title of the next post is "Accuracy." That post addresses the accuracy issue in terms of subjective vs. objective reality. It's queued to post in about 10 hours.

[impaul99]

To me, if subjective reality is explained from the point of view of there actually being 7 Billion people on a planet called earth, and yes at some spiritual level of energy they are connected to one consciousness, this version of "subjective reality" means nothing to me.

For some reason I think I'm the only ONE.

Think about lucid dreams. Do we have dreams with other people in them? Like do you go to bed and have a dream with your wife in it and then you wake up and your wife shared that dream with you? NO. It was just you. The other characters were "fake".

I think realite is more like that.

I have had lucid dreams that were so real and the people inside the dreams seemed SOOOOO REALLLLL , even though I knew damn well that they were fake figments of my imagination. They talked to me, seemed to have their own agendas, conversations, even had their own little ego's. They sometimes want to hurt me, take something away from me, other times they want to help me, teach me, or whatever. Even when I *KNOW* it's a lucid dream, they continue to exist. Yet, when I wake up they disappear.

That's what I think life is like. I don't know how else to explain it.

[Savage]

@Paul: You're basically describing solipsism. And that's fine... nothing wrong with that at all. But here's a suggestion as to how to get from there to the perspective of subjective reality.

These directions may sound a bit strange, but it's the nature of the beast.

1. Consider that you may in fact be just as fake as the other dream characters. You're all just phony projections, and none of you are real. Consider this both for your dreams and your waking reality.
2. Now consider that the other characters may be just as real, conscious, and independent as you are, both while you're dreaming and awake.
3. Finally, consider that both possibilities can exist simultaneously without being in conflict, both in the dream world and the waking world. Each is simply a lower order projection of a higher order, multi-dimensional reality.

[Jesse E]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

Coincidentally (or not?), the title of the next post is "Accuracy." That post addresses the accuracy issue in terms of subjective vs. objective reality. It's queued to post in about 10 hours.

Cool, looking forward to it .

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

@Paul: You're basically describing solipsism. And that's fine... nothing wrong with that at all. But here's a suggestion as to how to get from there to the perspective of subjective reality.

These directions may sound a bit strange, but it's the nature of the beast.

1. Consider that you may in fact be just as fake as the other dream characters. You're all just phony projections, and none of you are real. Consider this both for your dreams and your waking reality.
2. Now consider that the other characters may be just as real, conscious, and independent as you are, both while you're dreaming and awake.
3. Finally, consider that both possibilities can exist simultaneously without being in conflict, both in the dream world and the waking world. Each is simply a lower order projection of a higher order, multi-dimensional reality.

Would you mean that when I have a lucid dream, the "other characters" are just as real and conscious as me? Or do you mean only in "reality" when I'm awake the "others" are real, but in my lucid dreams they are not?

What I don't get is if my ego (Paul) can have a dream, and inside that dream the other characters are capable of acting totally convincingly like other people each with their own agenda's, yet are all just projections of my Paul ego, why couldn't all of life be like that?

Why can YOU and everyone not just be a projection of my ego? I've had times when I thought of writing a PD article, and then I get on my computer, go to your site and you've already written that article a few hours earlier. I've had times when I solve an issue in my life and in a weird way all the people around me have kind of solved that same issue in their lives too. I've had instances where I come up with a phrase or saying, such as "Manifestation without Devastation" and I think of that phrase, and then I don't say it to anyone and they say the exact same phrase to me.

It's like there are all these little hints that I keep seeing that others are actually just me. Almost like "different versions" of me.

I have no doubt that at the primal level, my ego is fake. I am just a "single-misguided thought" trying to return to truth, however I think that MY ego is the ONLY ego, perhaps projected onto many many multiple characters, but ONLY experienced through this one EGO named PAUL in this very moment. I cannot experience consciousness from any other EGO's out there, including you, or anyone else on this forum or the other 7 billion people out there, so I can only assume that I am the only conscious one.

Sure, in the next nano-second maybe Paul VWOOPS out of existance to be replaced with Steve Pavlina and I experience this forum from your point of view or someone else, but then I would only experience consciousness from your point of view ONLY and Paul would no longer exist but the next moment he might exist again. It is only the fact that me as consciousness doesn't take my memories with me when I travel from Steve to Paul and back that the illusion is that there is more than 1 of me.

Maybe we're saying the same thing. ???

Here's a question. If I get on an airplane, fly down to vegas to see you, and I sit in your living room and we have an arm wrestle. I would experience that arm wrestle only from my point of view. Are you saying that there would be two consciousnesses in that room arm wrestling at that time? Or are you saying that 1 consciousness would be arm wrestling with itself using 2 avatars?

And if it is 1 consciousness experiencing itself through 2 avatars, would the purpose of that be simply so that it can experience what it's like to be both the person that wins and the person that loses the arm wrestle?

If so, as consciousness version Paul wouldn't it be in the best interest of ALL consciousness for Paul to be as selfish as possible - in this particular case to try to win the armwrestle, so that consciousness ALL could experience winning? Or would it become pointless because whether Paul wins or Steve wins, consciousness ALL experiences both a win/loss at the same time?

I dont' know. I just keep coming back to the same thing. If I think that there are 7 billion people, my thinking is like "Crap people have a lot of problems out there.". Instead, when I think that *I* am the only Ego out there, when I see someone act negatively I think "What is this person's negativity trying to teach me? Why would I create this example for myself?" and when I see someone angry I seek anger inside me (my ego).

With my SINGLE EGO view, there IS only one ego, MY EGO, and I am 100% responsible for it. Everything I see out there is MY EGO showing itself to itself.

With your MULTIPLE EGO view, there is multiple ego's out there like STEVE EGO and PAUL EGO and we are all one consciousness (egoless) but it's split amongst multiple EGO's. In your example when I see STEVE EGO do something stupid, I don't try to correct it inside me (PAUL EGO), because STEVE EGO is seperate from PAUL EGO.

See how your view of multiple ego's gives away responsibility?

What am I missing?

[Michael Chui]

You're equating ego with consciousness. Steve is not: he's explicitly separating them.

[emf]

"Subjective reality, on the other hand, sees ALL the dream characters (including yours) as equal projections of the outer dreamer, and no character is more or less valid or conscious than any other character; they’re all just projections of a larger consciousness."

Unity?

[Andwan]

Thanks Steve...Once again...I had a question-e-mail that question to you and got an answer from one of your blogs...Subjective Reality is a very hard perspective to comprehend...However, you do make it a lot easier to understand...Thanks

[Tigerlilly]

Interesting. Like all others I guess I've had experiences of seeing myself reflected in thought or feeling in ensuing experiences more than enough times to believe it to be coincidental.

But that doesn't mean that there's just me around. I imagine it like sending out a beacon and the whole responding to it in whatever ways. If you believe that all is God incarnated and connected, having the universe around responding to you seems pretty natural. It's just a question of how aware you are of that fact.

Solipsism on the other hand taken to extremes results in feelings of undiluted horror. I passed through it briefly and it was the worst moments of my life. It's definitely not the path to truth cause only ego could inspire such utter dread and despair.

[munish]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Would you mean that when I have a lucid dream, the "other characters" are just as real and conscious as me? Or do you mean only in "reality" when I'm awake the "others" are real, but in my lucid dreams they are not?
?

I feel you are using objective lens to study subjectivity.That's why these doubts.

Whenver i use logic to understand subjectiviy,i find it difficult to grasp it.

Originally Posted by impaul99

What I don't get is if my ego (Paul) can have a dream, and inside that dream the other characters are capable of acting totally convincingly like other people each with their own agenda's, yet are all just projections of my Paul ego, why couldn't all of life be like that?

Why can YOU and everyone not just be a projection of my ego?


I have no doubt that at the primal level, my ego is fake. I am just a "single-misguided thought" trying to return to truth, however I think that MY ego is the ONLY ego, perhaps projected onto many many multiple characters, but ONLY experienced through this one EGO named PAUL in this very moment. I cannot experience consciousness from any other EGO's out there, including you, or anyone else on this forum or the other 7 billion people out there, so I can only assume that I am the only conscious one.

Sure, in the next nano-second maybe Paul VWOOPS out of existance to be replaced with Steve Pavlina and I experience this forum from your point of view or someone else, but then I would only experience consciousness from your point of view ONLY and Paul would no longer exist but the next moment he might exist again. It is only the fact that me as consciousness doesn't take my memories with me when I travel from Steve to Paul and back that the illusion is that there is more than 1 of me.



Here's a question. If I get on an airplane, fly down to vegas to see you, and I sit in your living room and we have an arm wrestle. I would experience that arm wrestle only from my point of view. Are you saying that there would be two consciousnesses in that room arm wrestling at that time? Or are you saying that 1 consciousness would be arm wrestling with itself using 2 avatars?

And if it is 1 consciousness experiencing itself through 2 avatars, would the purpose of that be simply so that it can experience what it's like to be both the person that wins and the person that loses the arm wrestle?

If so, as consciousness version Paul wouldn't it be in the best interest of ALL consciousness for Paul to be as selfish as possible - in this particular case to try to win the armwrestle, so that consciousness ALL could experience winning? Or would it become pointless because whether Paul wins or Steve wins, consciousness ALL experiences both a win/loss at the same time?

I dont' know. I just keep coming back to the same thing. If I think that there are 7 billion people, my thinking is like "Crap people have a lot of problems out there.". Instead, when I think that *I* am the only Ego out there, when I see someone act negatively I think "What is this person's negativity trying to teach me? Why would I create this example for myself?" and when I see someone angry I seek anger inside me (my ego).

With my SINGLE EGO view, there IS only one ego, MY EGO, and I am 100% responsible for it. Everything I see out there is MY EGO showing itself to itself.

With your MULTIPLE EGO view, there is multiple ego's out there like STEVE EGO and PAUL EGO and we are all one consciousness (egoless) but it's split amongst multiple EGO's. In your example when I see STEVE EGO do something stupid, I don't try to correct it inside me (PAUL EGO), because STEVE EGO is seperate from PAUL EGO.

See how your view of multiple ego's gives away responsibility?

What am I missing?

You are using ego to understand,which is beyond that.Ego is only a perspective,it is an illusion.
Thoughts come from the consciousness,and it is the consciousness which is experiencing, not your ego.

[ExploringTheMatrix]

I thought that the way Steve normally looked at things was that he was the container. Then everything in present moment awareness is you - the sky, the trees, the people, your avatar, etc. That's how most of the gurus describe it, everything around you is a reflection of the beliefs/imagination of the dreamer and the world is an expression of the dreamer's desire to create and share love with others.

So only the dreamer is conscious and has a mind, then he identifies with the avatar and creates a self/other polarity. What your avatar considers your mind is in fact just "the mind" and your consciousness is "the consciousness".

In some sense, all possibilities exist in the now, so you've had countless moments where you were each of the 6 billion human avatars. But that also means you are in an infinite number of dreams, with an infinite number of characters, in an infinite number of universes. Most of those universes we'll never become aware of in this lifetime. I don't see how that helps with our waking dream here on planet Earth since all of those possibilities do and always will exist and we're experiencing just one of those possibilities moment to moment and calling it our life.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

You're equating ego with consciousness. Steve is not: he's explicitly separating them.

Yes, you're right. I think it all boils down to one thing. Whether or not you believe CONSCIOUSNESS is the domain of the EGO. If you believe that to be true, than there *IS* only one consciousness and one ego. That ego is me.

If you believe that consciousness is pure (absolutely no ego) and then there are 7 billion ego's out there, each one seperate with it's own "problems", all connected to consciousness then there really is 7 billion people "out there".

I am more inclined to believe that there is only one ego. Joe Vitale's book "Zero Limits" talks about a Hawaiian psychologist who teaches a method for helping you with your problems by "clearing" the problem within yourself. For example when a womans asks him "My husband does _______ and _______ all the time, how do I fix that?" he doesn't try to "fix" the husband. He doesn't even try to eliminate the habit of blaming her husband in the woman either. He works on eliminating the habit of blaming IN HIMSELF.

It's kind of wacked, but it totally makes sense to me. If you "see a problem", you're seeing YOUR EGO's problem, because YOUR EGO is the only EGO "out there".

On page 8 of the book Joe Vitale lists the following:

"I operate my life and my relationships according to the following insights:

1. The physical universe is an actualization of my thoughts.
2. If my thoughts are cancerous, they create a cancerous physical reality.
3. If my thoughts are perfect, they create a physical reality brimming with LOVE.
4. I am 100 percent responsible for creating my physical universe the way it is.
5. I am 100 percent responsible for correcting the cancerous thoughts that create a diseased reality.
6. There is no such thing as out there. Everything exists as thoughts in my mind."

To me that totally makes sense. Not to say that I am there yet, accepting 100% responsibility for "out there", but every day I see more and more evidence that it is so. I pay attention to "what's bugging me out there" and very often find that it is actually a problem within rather than a problem without.

[Michael Chui]

But Steve's idea is that there is ONE consciousness and MANY egos. Consciousness is a container, as ExploringTheMatrix alludes, and the ego is something inside it. The ego of Paul is inside it, as is the ego of Steve, and the ego of Michael Chui.

Identification with your own ego is solipsism. Identification with consciousness is subjective reality.

[Andrew Brunelle]

This is so weird. These are the exact realizations I had today while in one of my college classes. These last two articles have really resonated with me. The whole idea of using both objective and subjective lenses and the whole lucid dream analogy was something I really "get" now. I love the use of the word "daft" as well. You don't see that word anymore. Maybe Steve is starting a comeback of one of my favorite words.

[ethereal]

The nature of the ego itself is such that it is only capable of sensing itself as separate from everything else. The ego is the "I" thought (or dualistic mind), basically. In true subjective reality, the "I" thought does not even exist, because to be an "I" you have to be separate from All That Is, no matter whether you identify "I" to be your body, mind, consciousness, awareness, or even God.

Your true nature is that which senses the "I", that which is aware of "I". It is not the "I", which is the ego. And at that level, which is consciousness itself, indeed we are all connected and One.

There is no way to prove whether other people have egos or not, because by definition your ego is only capable of knowing itself. To sense what is beyond, the ego has to give itself up (which it fights and resists to the death, literally). But I think it's highly egocentric () to think that you're the only one with an ego

Though I do want to ask, why do you think a reality with only you as "real" is more empowering than a reality where everyone else is as real as you are? Is that motivation fear-based or love-based? I ask that because I used to feel the same way, and it was really because I was afraid of being hurt.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Here's a question. If I get on an airplane, fly down to vegas to see you, and I sit in your living room and we have an arm wrestle. I would experience that arm wrestle only from my point of view. Are you saying that there would be two consciousnesses in that room arm wrestling at that time? Or are you saying that 1 consciousness would be arm wrestling with itself using 2 avatars?

What am I missing?

I consider the whole idea of speration is fear. Why as god couldn't you be just playing the ultimate game. One god, one consiousness, no other people, places, events, but only ever you with yourself 24/7 that only seems lonely if you thjink you're a human being having a conscious experience. When it's not lonely, you know you're closer to the truth.

Did you ever wonder why you can never get away from yourself? People come and go, things change, but there you always are. To consider that there are multiple egos/people/beings, seems to stem from a fear of a possible truth that it's you and all you. How can a person exist their whole life and you never know of them? They can't and don't, to think they do is fear again of a truth that is based on SR.

Also, why do you have to give to receive? Sure it feels good, but the sheer fact you're alive means you're in a state of constant giving, so all the gurus who share information about reap and sow etc is again all based on fear.

If you and I meet and talk about who is conscious, the truth and answer will always be the one who is left behind when the other leaves. Steve said it and it's true.........."we both know who is the concious being here don't we"

That seems to imply both of us, but that's not true is it.

As god/consciousness creates dense physical matter from formlessness, then I'm pretty sure it can conjur up a few other human bodies to enjoy and marvel about, same with environment, the stars and everything in awareness.

I like the phrase....."this is all happening inside my consciousness".....say it and it should allow you to let go of the human body you're centering on. It's okay to say my consciousness, because there is an ownership of sorts. To think it's shared, is again based on fear.

It's more than acceptable to be comfortable being God. People want to identify and be closer to god, but everyone is afraid of actually being god......why?........responsibility.

Max

[SecretSeven]

Hi Max,

Steve has created a blog (subjective reality vs solipsism) which explicitly states that you are not the only conscious being. He says that we are all conscious, but our real identity is the the container in which every thing exists. In other words, there is only one consiousness but we are all the consciousness. Why do you still continue to believe that you are the only ego concsiousness?

In steve's words: "Subjective reality, on the other hand, sees ALL the dream characters (including yours) as equal projections of the outer dreamer, and no character is more or less valid or conscious than any other character; they’re all just projections of a larger consciousness.

[absvan]

Paul,

To experience nonduality or SR as they call it here, you have to rise above your mind. You can read tons of books and articles but to experience it, takes time......well at least from my experience.

If you still find it hard to understand, I ask you to refer books written by - Nisargdatta, Sri Ramana Maharishi, Mouni Sadhu.......probably any books on Buddhism, Hinduism..etc.

I have found this link which explains in simple words.

Nonduality - A Practical and Experimental Approach

As mentioned before, its the practice of concentration and meditation that bring you closer to experiencing nonduality. Let go of all previous beliefs and let your practice guide you.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by SecretSeven

Why do you still continue to believe that you are the only ego concsiousness?

Because I choose to...........also ego and consciousness are not the same thing. Ego is the human body emotions and human body perceptions, consciousness is where everything in awareness is created and maintained including the ego.

In steve's words: "Subjective reality, on the other hand, sees ALL the dream characters (including yours) as equal projections of the outer dreamer, and no character is more or less valid or conscious than any other character; they’re all just projections of a larger consciousness.

Steve is starting to change his definition or SR, which only confuses people more. This means that all bodies including yours are in the dream, but what it fails to say is that the dreamer is the real you. The dreamer is not a shared state and you can assume this because when all the other bodies leave the dream, there is always still one observation point, always one observer left and that one observer can never leave because that one observer is consciousness's single point of reference for the entire dream.

Consciousness creates all the dream characters including the observer, but there is only one observation. The entire existance is a game of perceived seperation and consciousness creates people to allude seperation, but it ultimately is one thing, not 7 billion things.

Max

[songwriter]

as there's a song for everything... change for "Love" for believing in something that can make believe in subjective reality or altering the universe a la lucid dream... like Bono said they Beatles didn't mean romantic love but believing in things before they happen. Hard to put so much worlds in a chorus... all you need is.... love?

The Beatles-All You Need Is Love
YouTube - The Beatles-All You Need Is Love

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Max Power

I consider the whole idea of speration is fear. Why as god couldn't you be just playing the ultimate game. One god, one consiousness, no other people, places, events, but only ever you with yourself 24/7 that only seems lonely if you thjink you're a human being having a conscious experience. When it's not lonely, you know you're closer to the truth.

I totally agree. The idea of there only being me doesn't make me feel lonely at all.

Did you ever wonder why you can never get away from yourself? People come and go, things change, but there you always are. To consider that there are multiple egos/people/beings, seems to stem from a fear of a possible truth that it's you and all you. How can a person exist their whole life and you never know of them? They can't and don't, to think they do is fear again of a truth that is based on SR.

Yes! Finally I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this!

Also, why do you have to give to receive? Sure it feels good, but the sheer fact you're alive means you're in a state of constant giving, so all the gurus who share information about reap and sow etc is again all based on fear.

Yes, this is exactly what I'm starting realize myself too!

If you and I meet and talk about who is conscious, the truth and answer will always be the one who is left behind when the other leaves. Steve said it and it's true.........."we both know who is the concious being here don't we"

Yes, Steve "said". Seems like he's not saying that anymore nowadays. It's like he's moved backwards for some reason.

It's more than acceptable to be comfortable being God. People want to identify and be closer to god, but everyone is afraid of actually being god......why?........responsibility.

EXACTLY!

This is what I mean by the fact that I think there is only ONE Ego, which is MY ego. It empowers me more because I can no longer blame ANY problem out there on ANYONE ELSE because EVERYONE else is actually ME!

It's kind of like "NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO..... THERE YOU ARE!"

Except that I'm not talking about my physical body being everywhere, I'm talking about EVERYTHING "out there" being me. My dog, is me. My wife, is me. You are me. Steve is me. etc. etc. You are all just projections of my ego.