Reason For Being Vegan/Vegetarian

[ArthurHung]

I remember an instance where I was talking to a Christian friend about (we were both prideful at the time, me being a steadfast Atheist, her being a fearful Sunday school teacher... of an existence of hell) about one of the reasons why I believed God did not exist.

I claimed that early on in the New Testamant Bible (can't remember the names) there were two brothers, one who plowed the field who grew veggies and another who raised cattle. The one who gave the meat offering to God was given a great reward and the other brother was given nothing, although he gave veggies to God. The veggie brother who received nothing killed the rewarded brother... and God ended up giving him (the murdering veggie man) a beautiful wife, money etc... which made no sense to me at the time, because it was a direct contradiction to Thou Shalt Not Kill... thereby making God a huge hypocrite.

I claimed something along the lines of... how is this proof of God's love? Love is not violence/killing. She could not answer, and she was going to teach a Sunday school class about that exact part the next day.

Now I realized that that part of the bible was there to help me, today, at this moment. Today, I suddenly remember this instance and I connected it with something I read from Jiddu Krishnamurti --> one does not need to meditate or not eat meat (for enlightenment). If you are already there unconditional love or peace or trancendence, it doesn't matter. It's not about that. It's about Choiceless Awareness, which is what Steve hopes to bring to everyone with his posts.

The reason for this post is that to understand for myself perhaps, that the reason why we should become vegetarians as highly conscious people is not for ourselves but for others --> it helps others raise their consciousness because it raises the energy levels tremendously when the diet is right. Since we already have that kind of energy, we don't necessarily need it, but the more we take in, the more we can give out... PLUS, the most important point is that we are all one consciousness and we influence the entire world to do the same by doing so ourselves. "Change others by changing yourself". Unconscious people NEED that burst of energy to take them up to unconditional love.

Thanks for taking the time to read this

Arthur

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Just to clarify, Cain (the murderer) was cursed to being a fugitive and vagabond who would no longer be able to produce crops from the land. He did have a wife and kids and God also put a mark on him so that no one would kill him, but I don't think it says anywhere that his wife was beautiful or that he had money.

[carenkh]

I am not now vegetarian, but I believe what you're saying is true. I did a reading for someone this weekend, and I could "feel" her deceased husband trying to get through. I'm not a medium, and have never had an experience like that before, but I knew I wasn't able to raise my energy level enough to connect with him. I believe if I was vegetarian/vegan, I would eventually be able to do that - but I'm not ready! I'm taking things by baby steps - at some point, it will be time.

I can sense the difference in energy of those who are vegetarian - I used to do a little trick at some of the catering events I worked for, and guess which people at the table were vegetarian. (There usually weren't many!) There was one lady, who when I asked her tablemate if he wanted the vegetarian entree, asked "Do you think I'm vegetarian?" I answered honestly - I think you want to be vegetarian, but you're not there yet. That was exactly where she was! I think I could "pick up" on those different energy levels.

Does this mean I owe a big "thank you" to those who are vegetarian or vegan, for holding that higher consciousness? If so -

THANKS!

[Erin Pavlina]

For years my guides told me that if I wanted the psychic abilities I claimed to desire that I needed to remove animal flesh from my diet. I told them to take a flying leap, no way I was giving up my Big Macs! But they knew I wasn't ready. When I finally did go vegetarian and then vegan I felt a huge shift in my awareness and my vibration got higher. I don't think a person needs to be vegetarian or vegan to be a good psychic/medium but I know in my case it helped me tremendously.

[Chinese Dragon]

Originally Posted by ArthurHung

and God ended up giving him (the murdering veggie man) a beautiful wife, money etc...

Where does it say this??? Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by The Book of Genesis, Chapter 4

8: And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9: And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10: And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11: And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12: When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13: And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15: And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16: And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17: And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18: And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19: And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

It doesn't say anything about God rewarding him.

[ArthurHung]

Oh, I was in a manipulative phase back then, still at a low level and had not yet understood that communication is really all about co-operation. This post really was a wonderful gift for me to get past that tough life lesson -->

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...relationships/

At the time I was heavily into reading: Russell's Teapot - Home, I had actually lied about remembering that part of the bible and simply used what I read there to try to get her out of believing in God. That site doesn't have the same attraction to me as it did when I heavily identified myself as an Atheist. One consciousness is all that makes sense to me now, and no matter how many perspectives I use, intuitively, this way of thought keeps coming back to me, the one consciousness way of being/thinking.

Also, thanks Carenhk for this: "I think you want to be vegetarian, but you're not there yet."--> that describes me right now.

[ArthurHung]

I know I"ve read this from Steve's articles about more mental clarity from eating less/no meat but it's something else to experience it yourself. Weeks ago I experimented with 1 week of a pure vegan diet with poor results (because I was lacking a certain vitamin/food had no variety/not sufficient research).

So, I came back to eating meat. Weeks after...the day of the previous post, a not-so-ordinary-night occured as I was about to put a piece of pork into my mouth, I felt a jolt of sudden revulsion and had to put it down. Every fiber of my being was against eating that and even though there was a lot of chicken and pork, both of which I formerly enjoyed with a passion, I just ate rice and soup that night.

I still eat 1 or 2 pieces of meat to be polite right now, but it's more to be polite than anything, and intuitively I feel it's wrong. Quite a different standpoint than my first post on this thread. I feel to have a spontaneous new perspective/understanding about not wanting to hurt animals in the makings of my own diet. It feels rather unnecessary.

I wonder if anyone else had an experience of a similar sort?