Subjective Reality how-to?

[Holden McNeil]

I'd really like to try it out, because it sounds awesome to say the least (overcoming fears!). I've been reading Steve's posts again and again, and most of the threads here associated with it, but still finding it quite difficult to comprehend. Most questions I come up against, i've now realised, are when I look at it from an objective perspective. But still I find it difficult, like my mind is really set on objectivity, and shifts to it by default. And i'm quite skeptical of the whole thing, too - i've got lotsa questions

So to all of you out there who are well into the whole perspective, how did you end up doing it? Is there a certain order you took, like breaking objective reality beliefs first? If so, how did you do that? I haven't really experimented with IM/LOA much at all (although i found $10 on the ground a few days after intending $3mil, lol). Would experimenting with that help out? Can you believe in subjective reality and not be experienced with IM/LOA?

So far i've just been feeling kinda weird/crazy trying to really "feel" it. I also get caught up in being solipsismic/egoic (imagining you're all hallucinations from my brain). Basically i don't exactly feel like i'm progressing, just going around in circles, and really kind of forcing/deluding myself - which doesn't feel right. The closest i've felt is a nice peaceful feeling for about 20 seconds or so, but my thoughts then set in and ruin the moment. Or the phone rings, etc.

Would love some advice!

[Lotus]

Have you watched What the Bleep do we Know? That link is Amazon, so you can read reviews. See also the IMDB's page on the Bleep.

It gained a the popularity of cult-movie almost as soon it came it out (2004). You should be able to find it in any rental place that carries popular indie.

Yes, it's got some quirky stuff in it, and watch out for psuedo-science and mock philosophy. But, it can really help you open your mind up to subjectivity, because of the excellent presentation.

[cedc]

Originally Posted by Holden McNeil

I'd really like to try it out, because it sounds awesome to say the least (overcoming fears!).

Just curious, how do you plan to "try it out"? I assume you're talking about subjective reality. And how are you expecting subjective reality to help with your fears?

Originally Posted by Holden McNeil

Can you believe in subjective reality and not be experienced with IM/LOA?

Believing in subjective reality will not serve you much. You could believe in Santa Claus but I doubt that'll get you a visit to your house on Christmas However believing in the concept may entice you to experience it. As for the Law of Attraction, LOA implies an objective viewpoint by its very nature so has little to do with experiencing a subjective viewpoint. From a subjective viewpoint you would be best served by contemplating the law of creation instead. I just made up that term to distinguish between attraction and creation. I should probably explain the difference. In simple terms, LOA is where you think of something and then somehow the universe creates it for you. This is objective, it implies that all you create is the thought or intent and the physical result is created outside of you by something else. LOC on the other hand would simply say that you think of something and that creates it, in other words, you're responsible for it all. The difference may be subtle but it's a key to understanding subjective reality. As most people live objectively they are using the law of attraction consciously or not for better or for worse. Those few people who truly live subjectively create on demand consciously and with full awareness.

All the best.

[Jill]

I may not have this quite right and have simplified it too much, but my feeling is that subjective reality is very similar to believing that the world you live in, is basically all created by you, just like the dreams you have at night are all created by you.

When you're dreaming, unless you are able to have lucid dreams, you generally don't realize you're dreaming, and it's also quite hard to believe that your mind can come up with the crazy stories that happen during them.

So what if life is basically one big dream? Eventually, you will wake up (at death I guess?) and see that.

I think there's a lot more to it than this, but if you start there, the other stuff starts to fall into place. I was able to start wrapping my head around this when I read "The Disappearance of the Universe" by Gary Renaud. I can't say as I really liked the book completely as it actually gave me some nightmares and was somewhat disturbing to me as I read it. I might try to read it again now (it's been close to a year) as I've learned a lot in that time.

But even without "liking" the book, there were some very interesting ideas in it, such as the whole life being similar to a dream. It sure does explain a lot, especially the power of intention.

[cedc]

Originally Posted by Jill

So what if life is basically one big dream? Eventually, you will wake up (at death I guess?) and see that.

It's more of a game than a dream but on "awakening" it will certainly seem like waking up from a dream. Death however is part of the game and is used to transfer your focus to a different point of view.

[Holden McNeil]

Originally Posted by cedc

Just curious, how do you plan to "try it out"? I assume you're talking about subjective reality. And how are you expecting subjective reality to help with your fears?

Basically what Steve says in the "overcoming fear" podcast; talking about nonduality and how not viewing everything/one as distinct and seperate from you, and instead feeling at one/connected to everything, would naturally cause a whole bunch of fears to dissipate. It seems cool and empowering simply from reading his experiences with it (eg: "soulful relationships"), so i'm willing to give it a go. why not, right? I'm very curious. I'm simply not sure exactly how to go about it, since it's such a fundamental belief, and my attempts so far make me feel like i'm missing something. So in answering your question, i've got no idea how i plan to try it out.

Believing in subjective reality will not serve you much. You could believe in Santa Claus but I doubt that'll get you a visit to your house on Christmas

Oh, the way subjective reality sounds to me is if you actually believe that it's a more accurate view of reality (& that your beliefs therefore create your reality) - then you truly believe that santa claus exists and visits you every Christmas (for one reason or another), then shouldn't that be true?

As for the Law of Attraction, LOA implies an objective viewpoint by its very nature so has little to do with experiencing a subjective viewpoint. From a subjective viewpoint you would be best served by contemplating the law of creation instead.

The way i've been interpreting it so far - to really believe/get results in the LOA/IM, a subjective reality viewpoint is basically mandatory. Otherwise there seems to be inconsistencies that the LOA can't explain (again, this is what Steve says in "the nature of reality" podcast) That's why i'm wondering whether experience with IM/LOA would help in breaking my beliefs about objective reality, and help shape subjective beliefs to be put in their place.

I'll have to read the rest of your post slowly cedc, the first time it just went over my head Thanks for the feedback.

And Jill - that is quite simple, but it does make a lot of sense to me. Although when I think/fantasize about this really being the case, I find it difficult to hold onto (really, honestly believe). Maybe I need some more resources/reading. At the moment I feel like i'm just "oh yeah, probably" but not really saying "no, it's actually more accurate".

[cedc]

It is true that if you were to experience life subjectively you would have no fears however you cannot experience life subjectively while you have fears. Fears are objective in nature, they imply that you hold something outside of yourself as being worthy of being feared. And just believing in it won't help you with your biggest fears. I know some people who believe to their very core that their God is always there to protect them but remain afraid during storms or fear death despite believing that they will go to a better place.

True reality is not created (it just is, always has been and always will be) however the physical world (the illusionary reality) is created and it is not beliefs that creates it, it's intent through thought. And it is not the self that you identify yourself to be that creates but the being that created you in order to experience it's own creation. Physical reality is what you as the being created and only within the realms of subjective reality can you, the self you identify with, get in touch with the being that is really you.

If you continue your quest to understand subjective reality you will see that saying something like "holding a subjective belief" makes no sense. You cannot "hold on" to such a concept because as soon as you try to "grab it" (metaphorically speaking) the concept will vanish. As you have already experienced it seems. What's more, to fully understand it, the last thing you will need to do will be to lose the desire to understand it because the desire to "get it" will stop you getting it. A catch-22 perhaps

As I said in my previous post, the law of attraction as understood by most people, is objective in nature. Because of this it appears to have inconsistencies. These inconsistencies are a product of perceptions which in turn are a product of filters that you have created through your life experiences. Lose the filters and the inconsistencies disappear. Subjective reality doesn't so much explain the inconsistencies but rather it reveals the true essence of the law of attraction: it's not "attraction", it's "creation".

Steve's explanation is a good starting point but if I may, I would suggest that Steve does not live subjectively. Steve does live a good and very purposeful life and has much to offer many people who are wanting to better themselves and their lives. But he is not subjective in his approach to life. His post (among others) about travelling with his children shows this clearly. Understand that this is by no means a criticism of Steve. This is not a case of subjective reality is better than objective reality. In both cases it's what you make of it and Steve is a shining example of how one can live one's life. People would do well to follow his lead.

You need to know why you seek to "believe" in subjective reality. Because it's not a pre-requisite to a good life if that is what you are after.

Unfortunately there's no red pill/blue pill here to help you out but I wish you well.