Conversations With God

[Liara Covert]

I sense you get out of a book exactly what you need to at a given time. It came into your hands based on your vibration, based on your state of mind, and based on someone or something discerning it would be useful to you.

[A.K.Light]

A book with an answer for everything seems a little too made up to me. I agree that there are good insights in it and stuff like that, but in the end, it's just a book. I can learn from it without actually believing that it was a conversation with God, but I think that's sort of the point.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by jsam

The human mind is truly amazing! It can create all sorts of mental experiences to respond to the ego's wishes... and people have been having vocal and "channelled" messages from gods, daemons, departed spirits, devils, arch angels, saints, etc. for thousands of years. Some of the messages are positive and helpful, some are evil, some just "kooky". I have had teachings from "higher consciousness" and channelled poetry pop into my head. I find it is best to regard these phenomena as products of the Self, rather than "other entities". Unity is found only when separation of self and "other" is totally forgotten. Thinking about "other" prolongs our experience as "ego".

So why am I writing this to "others"? Because I am enjoying this ego trip; no longer trapped in it.
Namaste

and what are you beliefs. and where did you learn them

[krisking911]

Hello everyone!
I'm a new member here, and just thought I'd share my thoughts.

Conversations with God was an incredible personal experience for me. I've read all 3 books (the trilogy) and Friendship with God as well. I personally was lead to it by the universe in a rather unique way. The story is basically about Neale (The Author) being fed up with his life and getting to the point where he was homeless and down and out. Then one night in the wee hrs--he demands some anwers from the man upstairs about why his life turned out the way it has.....of course this leads to him writting down a series of questions on a pad...then, he eventually gets clear answers.

I too had a very simular experience....almost identical actually. I was fed up with my life as well, which led to my own "angry" conversation with god in my hallway. Then, when I didnt get a response right away, I started writting an angry book/letter to God venting all my frustrations. I was about 5 chapters in when a friend recommended (after reading my book) that I should read CWG.

I tell you what---I cried for at least 3 hours after the 1st chapter---simply bcus it was a replica of my story. The point: I loved the book and I recommend it to anyone who has had any "up in the air" questions about God, the after life (Book 3), Love, Relationships, You, and how You are everyone. Yes...it was Neale's personal experience, but I tell you what, you can place any character (including you) in this scene. Its a wonderful read---However, it is not for everyone. If you intend it, your own book, answers, ppl, and scenarios will come perfectly for you!

I LOVE YOU ALL.

[jsam]

Supertom,

I seem to have been a born skeptic; I always had a thirst for knowlege, but never completely "bought" any "belief". I found the sciences to be the most believeable information for me, but was not satisfied with the atheistic, materialistic views of some scientists. My path finally brought me to the point of liberation from the belief that any intellectual idea would bring "truth" or meaning; and I found that what I had sought was an experiential "Knowing"
which comes in moments of clear awareness, when thinking is suspended. This inner core of "knowing" has brought me peace of mind and freedom from fear. Life after death, once a big concern of mine, no longer matters. AWARENESS IS!

Namaste..sam

[supertom]

awareness and knowing, aren't terms that you came up with, so where did you learn those words and there meanings

[jsam]

Awareness, knowing, consciousness, are terms that try to describe subjective experience- and these words have different meanings for different people, so are not precise. They are usually used to refer to experiences we have when we are fully awake and giving complete attention to something. When we are startled or surprised, we are more aware.
Knowing is certainty about something- when you know you are awake, you don't have to reason about it and decide if you are awake- you just know.
When someone realizes that the person they had believed they were, is only images and descriptions in the mind, and that thinking cannot tell them who they really are, they then realise that awareness is what is real, and eternal.
(I think)
Namaste!

[jsam]

Supertom,

Perhaps a more direct answer to your questions is that I learned the terms from other people whose books, lectures, and workshops, I studied. There are a great many teachings that give similar meanings to these words, and directions for discovering the experiences that these terms describe. I recommend the books of Eckhart Tolle, Depak Chopra, and Wayne Dwyer.

Sam

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Betrade

Then , I just allowed myself to become more open minded, and I really no longer believe that God is a Jewish man in the sky.

Yeah it is amazing what people believe, Betrade.

Here's a little fun below.

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I dunno. Time magazine just told me he's really a Nairobian. They even found out where he lives.

[robertanthony]

A few authors write about the same stuff - YouTube - theloveguru's Channel

[supertom]

Originally Posted by jsam

Supertom,

Perhaps a more direct answer to your questions is that I learned the terms from other people whose books, lectures, and workshops, I studied. There are a great many teachings that give similar meanings to these words, and directions for discovering the experiences that these terms describe. I recommend the books of Eckhart Tolle, Depak Chopra, and Wayne Dwyer.

Sam

those are the same books i like, but thats the thing they all get their info from esther- abraham and ACIM, both of them are channelled teachings, so they cant be from ego.

[jsam]

Originally Posted by supertom

those are the same books i like, but thats the thing they all get their info from esther- abraham and ACIM, both of them are channelled teachings, so they cant be from ego.

SUPERTOM,

You brought up an important point; channelling cannot be from ego. The urge to write, I believe, comes from Will, then Ego decides to do it, for its reasons like admiration, fame, wealth, or just plain self respect. And it likes to take credit for it. The info comes from...a mystery to me. From the whole we are a part of? Collective consciousness? I don't know. I'm not ready to believe that it comes from discarnate entities even if it names itself like Seth, Esther, Jesus, or Boris Lesnorsnorffells. But who knows?

Namaste......sam

[supertom]

ramana maharishi is also i very good teacher, it wasnt until a traveller met him by accident that people knew about him..

[Justin Aluzian]

I feel that in the past two years that I have graduated to a more advanced level of metaphysical and consciousness studies.

Until recently, my beliefs have been shaped by philosophies encountered within the writings of Richard Bach, Jane Roberts, Robert Monroe, and several other authors whose books describe a universe based on reincarnation and karma.

As of late, I've been investigating the idea of Subjective Reality -- a philosophy much touted on this very site, I've found -- and I must say that I am definitely becoming a strong advocate of this emerging theory of existence.

My newfound interest in this theory has led me to three authors previously unknown to me: David Hawkins, Neale Donald Walsh, and Gary Renard (The Disappearance of the Universe).

I've read all three CWG books, and Renard's first book mentioned above, and am now engrossed in all six volumes of Hawkins' manifesto. Most interesting to me is the apparent dichotomy between Renard's take on SR versus Walsh's. And this is an extremely important distinction between the two.

The Disappearance of the Universe is actually a primer of sorts on ACIM (A Course In Miracles), a work I have heard about, but never read, though I intend to. According to Renard -- and ACIM -- the physical Universe that we inhabit is completely illusory, and in fact, a false construct of the ego, which was created when the "Christ Mind" created by God had a separate thought for just a nanosecond of what it might be like to exist within a dualistic universe as opposed to its present existence within the Oneness of God.

Renard explains that this thought of the Christ Mind (aka Son of God) led to additional ideas on duality, and out of this, a new consciousness was created (the ego) which quickly forgot who it really was and, reacting from fear of God's wrath for separating from Him, (a false illusion of the ego as no such separation is possible), created duality in the form of the physical universe within which the ego could, supposedly, hide from God's anger.

Allegedly, we (this ego consciousness), cannot return to God until we realize our "mistake" and awaken to our true Reality of Oneness with God. Renard goes on to say and to specifically point out that God did not create the physical Universe because said Universe is imperfect, and it is not possible for God to create anything that is not perfect. Therefore, the Universe must be an illusion, and also a mistake, created by this false entity that believes it has reality -- the ego. This philosophy claims that all of human existence -- in fact, all of duality itself, is nothing more than a "nightmare," from which we must awaken, and when we do, all of this will be forgotten as if it never happened.

In Conversations With God, quite the opposite theory is given, at least as far as the purpose of the physical Universe. According to Walsh's "God," human consciousness has much purpose indeed. In fact, it has the ultimate purpose, which is to make it possible for God to experience Himself as God by experiencing infinite ways of being not God. And that through choosing to continuously remake ourselves into higher and higher versions of who we believe ourselves to be, we are able to experience what it is like to become God.

Of course, both of these philosophies fall under the umbrella of subjective reality, and both purport that All Things Are One and that Duality is illusory. Personally, I have a problem accepting that this Universe we find ourselves inhabiting -- illusory or not -- is little more than a mistaken nano-thought of an "extension" of the Mind of God, and that nothing that has happened in all the experience of all who have ever lived is worth retaining in God's Infinite Memory. For all of the dark and negative experiences we continually face, there is just as much light and beauty here within this illusion of duality, and I believe it must have the Greatest Purpose indeed.

I therefore have to ally my heart -- for now -- with the philosophy within CWG. It does give great purpose and logic to even the illusion of duality. As to the question of whether or not Walsh is actually speaking to God...

Well, if one believes that Existence is, at its core, dualistic in nature, then it's understandable to be skeptical of such a claim.

However, when one believes, as I now do, that the true nature of Existence is Oneness at its core, then the question as to whom Walsh is speaking is academic. Of course he's speaking to God because he is God. We are all God. That is the basic tenet of SR! If you truly are a disciple of SR and question this claim, you are then doubting your own belief system.

I am God myself, writing this post. You are yet another perspective of God reading it. Yet even Walsh himself often doubts the source of the material he writes because he, like all of us, is immersed within this dualistic Universe that constantly tells his physical senses that he is separate from every other thing he perceives. That's okay because it's designed that way by the Creator for a perfect purpose.

Anway, if you haven't read CWG, and you believe in SR, or are interested in the concept, run don't walk to your nearest bookstore and read all three books immediately. Within its pages you will find the God you always wanted to believe in. It's just an observation.

JA

[nightdiamond]

One thing to point out; when Neal asks about past lives, he gets a specific answer of how many lives Neal had and who he has been, but when Neal asks about the future, God refuses to answer..

If this god says there is no such thing as evil, and psychic powers are natural, use them, why the sudden restriction in knowing the future... the past gets an immediate full answer, the future gets a no...

The idea that God only speaks to certain people in a certain way is interesting... I once posted that I once listened to a radio show where a woman told the host that she left organized religion because she didn't get any feedback... Although she was born into it and practiced and tried, she felt empty...so she moved to buddhism and said she felt much better and felt she got something from it...

Does the concept in C.W.G throw people right back into the 'god only talks with certain people' idea, and does it also throw people back into the ' you can't do that' idea?..

I would love to see other people's view on this....

[supertom]

maybe the infinte universes part comes in, so god cant talk about it.

[nightdiamond]

supertom: maybe the infinte universes part comes in, so god cant talk about it.

Maybe you're right supertom, but then that brings up the problem of why other people receive predictions that do come true?


I think the people who do have a problem with C.W.G is that even though god is to be though of as a higher force or something, in the end, it is still portrayed as individual being that practices favortism by speaking like that to Neal...

For example remember the story of Elijah the prophet? He was taken into heaven in a flaming chariot.. I'm sure at times people must have wondered why god seem to do that for this person....

[Bene]

FWIW I remember once Abraham (of Abraham-Hicks) saying that both ACIM and CWG and themselves are from the same source but coming through different filters.

[yossarian]

Originally Posted by nightdiamond

One thing to point out; when Neal asks about past lives, he gets a specific answer of how many lives Neal had and who he has been, but when Neal asks about the future, God refuses to answer..

If this god says there is no such thing as evil, and psychic powers are natural, use them, why the sudden restriction in knowing the future... the past gets an immediate full answer, the future gets a no...

God doesn't know the future, because we are pieces of God, and we haven't decided what the future will be yet.

If you believe in free will, then that directly requires that the future cannot be predicted with absolute certainty.

The fundamental thing to realize is that All Is One. In the beginning, there was Oneness. Oneness then voluntarily split into manyness, and each piece was given free will.

The spiritual beings that exist outside of our physical world will provide us with information if we are ready for it and if they think it will be helpful to us. Like a loving mother, they won't give put rat poison on our breakfast plate just because we ask for it.

This is why certain people at certain times can be told about certain past lives. The spirits who are watching over us and trying to help us will only give us that kind of information if they think it will benefit us.

Likewise, Spirit (and God itself) has an overview of the entire world and can process much more information than we can. So they can make very very good predictions about the world -- but no prediction is 100% because we DO indeed have true free will. We CAN change the future. That is the essence of free will - We can change the future.

Metaphysically speaking this is the simplest way to explain it, however what I have stated is not precisely true. It's almost impossible to state the true truth in English... the truth looks like a paradox to us humans. The paradoxes are such:

1. Not only are we a piece of God, but we are God himself, fully whole, and the entire universe exists within us.

2. Free will does exist, but at the same time it is an illusion as are all things. There is only one truth and that is Oneness. Light is an illusion. Love is an illusion. Free will is an illusion. There is no good, no evil, no thought, no sense, no consciousness, no existence. There is just Oneness.

This is my own personal best answer to the questions you ask, which are questions I have asked many, many times.

The idea that God only speaks to certain people in a certain way is interesting... I once posted that I once listened to a radio show where a woman told the host that she left organized religion because she didn't get any feedback... Although she was born into it and practiced and tried, she felt empty...so she moved to buddhism and said she felt much better and felt she got something from it...

It's very helpful to realize that the Earth plane is a nursury. We choose to incarnate here to learn specific lessons for ourselves and to serve the world. We have a mission, and the missions that most people have undertaken require a certain amount of blindness. You know all those ego-involved people who seem so unenlightened? That is their path. They chose to be that way because there is a lesson they must learn.

God is not going to interfere with our own personally chosen lessons, unless his interference actually helps our lessons. The Earth plane is unique because of our ignorance, so violating that ignorance is kind of ruining the point of the Earth plane.

While it may seem that people like Neale or Erin Pavlina are blessed and it would be great to be them, in truth they have less opportunity for growth than those they serve. Their connection with the spirit world dulls the impact of the Earth plane - it helps them to render a certain important service, but it also makes spiritual growth slower because the illusion is designed to help us grow and when you dissolve away the illusion, you stagnate.

It's very easy for a meditator for instance to slow his progress down. If he spends all his time enjoying the bliss of the spirit and neglects to work through the dense pain of Earth, he is actually selling himself short. This is why the Earth illusion is so closely guarded - we curse it for the pain it causes but paradoxically this pain is the very strength and blessing of the Earth.

[supertom]

BENE i would like to see the proof

[Maguru]

Originally Posted by brandi

oh yes, he does, for each one of us.
Praying is talking to god and meditation is god talking to you.
some people just aren't still enough to hear god.

god talks to us, all day in different experiences,
devine appointments, in our thoughts, what other people say to us.
how we experience our lives.
the problem is mitote and doubt.
we cannot hear.

i am in personal contact with god all day long, in the way i experience, love, reach out, faithe for courage, .
everytime i express gratitude. i am in contact and in a position to listen
i am very grateful for my god experience and earth adventure.

Good god, do you never get time alone in the real world?

[Bene]

Originally Posted by supertom

BENE i would like to see the proof

Do you mean you want a reference? or are you talking about proof of Abraham being authentic?

If its the former, this is the DVD I saw it on: Abraham-Hicks Publications: Alaska Well-Being Cruise 7/3/04 . Under CruiseCD4 it has the question: Is Neal another "voice of God"?

From what I remember vaguely (I saw this 2 years back) Abraham says that the three sources (ACIM, CWG and themselves) are from the same source but coming through different filters for different parts of the population. So some people may identify more easily with one source than others.