If subjective reality is true, where does objective reality come from?
 

Hello All/Steve/Consciousness

I have only recently stumbled onto this site, where I found the 'light' personal development articles (the articles with tips on goals, decision making, etc...) extremely helpful and invigorating. With this in mind I decided to delve into the idea of subjective reality (as opposed to blanketing myself in ignorance as per usual), and am now adrift in a big sea of confusion.

Here are some of the problems my mind keeps getting stuck on:

1. If subjective reality is the true nature of reality, then why are we viewing an objective reality? Where did this view come from? From my understanding of subjective reality, there are no external influences. so while you can attribute objective reality to factors like social conditioning, the media, etc... these are manifestations, created from intentions, but why would these intentions exist? I guess what I'm really asking is where do the bad intentions come from that require the subjective view to transcend?

2. How can you teach someone else to view reality subjectively if you believe in a subjective reality? It seems if you want to teach others to view subjectively, you are accepting that they have a consciousness, which directly interferes with the idea of your own subjective reality. Steve, how do you hold both these ideas in tandem?

If anyone with a better SR lens on than me could shed some light on these points I would be very grateful, but please, only rip them to shreds if you plan on re-using them to make something better.

Thanks

Some people believe in a version of SR where everyone is a reflection of themselves and they are the only point of observation in the universe. I don't exactly agree with that view (at least the part about there being only one point of observation sitting here on Earth). The way I see the world is that consciousness is the only thing that is real. All separation is ultimately an illusion.

All subjective reality really means in my opinion is that the observer and the observed are ultimately the same. Objective reality is the result of consensus perception. Imagine you are god. You dream up a reality and place yourself as an observer inside. You say, "Hmmmm...this perspective is interesting. I'll think i'll make another..." So you make another self or "eye" for your consciousness. Then you make another, and another, and another... Each one of these "eyes" is seeing the subjective reality from a slightly different perspective, and it is this difference/similarity in perspective between these subjective realities which gives rise to this thing called objectivity.

From the position of "solipsistic SR" (where you are the only point of observation), the teaching of someone else is purely for your own benefit and no one else. So the desire to teach would be there simply to gratify your personal ego's desire to teach.

Objective reality is contained within subjective reality, just like a video game runs inside a computer. The objective world perceived by your senses is the simulation -- the game -- within the larger box. Why create the simulation? Because it has the potential to be an absolutely fascinating growth experience. Your lower, objective self may not always perceive it that way, but your higher, subjective self is soaking it all up. And ultimately all these physical beings walking around are part of the same higher self.

My understanding is that by objectifying aspects of itself and allowing those parts to interact, the higher self gets to experience contents of its own being in a whole new way.

I believe subjective reality exists within objective reality on this plane of existence. The subjective perception changes objective reality to an extent - depending on how flexible it is - according to each person. The basic foundation on which subjective reality is formed remains unchanged.

Thanks for the replies everyone, it's certainly given my mind something to chew on. I quite like Anagogy's ideas, they seem to resonate a bit more with what I believe. I'm still in the sea of confusion but it feels like there might be a slight current pulling me towards something.

Well personally I dont believe in subjective reality as such, I believe in fluid reality Or as Talbot put it "Hologram Universe", basically that while yes, there is indeed the reality we see objectively and it isnt "false" per se, it actually exists it isnt a hard solid reality, more like a program that can be bend. In this model consiousness is understood to originate from the "implicate" order which is basically the place from where the programa of objective reality originated.

Consiousness as such, would be just 1 thing, only viewed from different perspectives. Basically yes every person has a consiousness, because is consiousness and linked to it. The world we experience is just a product of the consiousness, and while it may look solid and hard to our bodies which are made from the materials of this objective reality, is no harder than an illussion to the consiousness which is where this reality come from.

Just a heads up that this thread is 4 years old.

Time is no obstacle for Luciddd. ;)