Free Will, and Cause for Registering in these Forums

[Alex2007]

This thread is about the known Philosophical argument between "Free Will" Vs "Determinism".

There are some ruminations here:

• 1. Is our decision and action to register in these forums and involve in Personal Development Field caused consiously by our "Free Will" or caused by pre-determined agents.
  
• 2. Is it possible that our involvement in these forums and Personal Development Field change the course of our life?

In my opinion there is no such a thing as a concious "Free Will". It is all an illusion. So, it is possible that new things we learn from these forums and Personal Development Field, can be the cause for a change in the course of our life, but nothing is caused by our free will.

I am still confused though.

[Sunnybayes]

Quantum Mechanics = Deterministic Probability.

Oh the irony.

Set the initial conditions, and the probability wave function evolves deterministically through time, until wave collapsed by an "outside observer".

Information is what happens when a wave collapses. If you get more information about your environment then you will be able to control it better.

An outside observer "wave collapses" you.
If you are not concious enough then you will be controlled by the higher concious person. This is why high concious people are usually good leaders. Learn how to be a high concious person.

What he/she observes "collapses" your probability that you will do certain things. You will still act randomly according to him/her, because of your free will, but with greater confidence that you will do certain things.

2. Is it possible that our involvement in these forums and Personal Development Field change the course of our life?

By observation you wrote down your question = information. I read your information. You just caused/controlled me to write this response.

If every "now" is part of your life then you've just changed the course of your life. You've just observed this response, you read my information, I controlled/am controlling you. See you are reading this. You can't choose to not pronounce these words. I'm making you say "hehe" in your mind, hehe... see I made you just do it again. I'm powerful eh?? Lol. j/k.

I just set your initial conditions to your Schroedinger equation, now there's a damn good chance that you will help us to save the world. have fun

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

I just set your initial conditions to your Schroedinger equation, now there's a damn good chance that you will help us to save the world. have fun

I just wanted to point out that it is the "Schrodinger equation" and not the Schroedinger equation."

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[jsot]

I agree with TC, all events, including our own thoughts and actions are pre-determined by the laws of the universe. Free will is an illusion.

There's a French proverb that goes like this: To understand all is to forgive all.

[Alex2007]

Thanks People

I think you Sunnybayes will change the course of my life with your post. From what I understand you believe that "Free Will" is an illusion.

But I don't understand quite well background behind the notion of "High Conscious Personlality".

It sounds like High Conscious Personality and "Consious Will" = "Free Will" have many in common.

Thanks

Alex

[Brutha]

Information is what happens when a wave collapses. If you get more information about your environment then you will be able to control it better.

Information always needs somebody to be informed or it is simply data that doesn't matter.

The question is "Free" from what? From a God who dictates what happens to you?
From physical laws?
From being judged by other people for your actions?

I think I am free from having a God dictated destiny. But I'm not free in the sense that I can break physical laws or that I am immune to being judged by other people.

1. Is our decision and action to register in these forums and involve in Personal Development Field caused consiously by our "Free Will" or caused by pre-determined agents.

That question is flawed because it presupposes that we have a "Free Will".
Entering the discussion about "Free Will" Vs "Determinism" is pointless when you start with a the presumption that "Free Will" exist.

2. Is it possible that our involvement in these forums and Personal Development Field change the course of our life?

What does "course of our life?" mean? Is it something that exist at the moment?

I just wanted to point out that it is the "Schrodinger equation" and not the Schroedinger equation."

Wrong.
The guy's name is Erwin Schrödinger. Their is a convention that you use oe instead of ö when you can't write ö (because your keyboard lacks the key) [added bonus: ü and ä gets also replaced by ue and ae].
Both Schrödinger and Schroedinger are right but Schrodinger is wrong.

In addition that claim is off-topic, the forum has a PM-function for a reason.

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Information always needs somebody to be informed or it is simply data that doesn't matter.

Can anything be information if there is a system that "reads" it and takes some kind of action because of it?

[Freelancer]

Perhaps a better to ask is if it matters at all to know if you have a free will or not. After all it doesn't really change the situation, if you figure out the answer and it turns out there is no free will than it was supposed to be that way. If there is free will than you just spend a lot of mental energy worrying about something that ultimately doesn't matter (although its still your choice ).

Either way your not making any progress and its only confusing you right now.
Oh and if you want to continue asking this question; if you figure out the answer don't hesitate to tell us it ! Saves me a ton of headache

[Alex2007]

Another point here is that, your future depends on whether you believe in Free Will or not. Your actions can be affected by your already established ideas. One of those ideas concerns the Notions of Free-Will

Thanks and take care
Alex

[Ihavenoidea]

My question of free will is does it exist? If so, is there a way to give up that free will?

[Steven Moros]

By stating that free will is an illusion, you're saying that we have the inability to choose to act. That things and events happen to us. This is nonsensical to me.

No offense intended, just stating my opinion.

All the best
Steven.

[Power]

Let's think outside of the box for a moment. If given the question:is it black or white?... why can't the answer be gray.

So as a suggestion, can free will and pre-destined co-exist at the same time? and I dont mean that 50% of our life we get to choose and the other 50% is pre-destined. What I mean is that 100% of our life we choose and 100% of our life is pre-destined.

Here let me illustrate this:
Physicists suggests that we don't live in a 3 dimensional world. They suggest that we live in 10 dimensions and probably more. In this 10 dimension or more are made up of Multiverse or multi-universe happening at the same time. In one universe you are a doctor, in the other universe you are a singer, in the other universe you an average joe, and so on...
In this 10 dimension or more, Time is not linear where it moves in one direction. Time is 3 dimensional. Our limited senses/perception of the objective world is limited to this notion that time is moving in one direction but rather the past, present and future is actually occuring at the same time.

Free will of choices is a weak argument when you counter-argue it with "the choices you made are pre-destined before you even made the choice". Pre-destined is an absolute argument, you can pick a point in time when you think you made a choice, but then my argument would be that "you were pre-destined to make that choice already" thus, it is easily accepted that free will is an illusion.

There is this consciousness that exist, lets call it the observer. Since we live in this multi-universe, what does the observer observe?... You see, with the endless potential possiblities (multi-universe) the moment we make a decision (observer collapse the wave function), the choice we made has a pre-destined outcome already. Hence, life is 100% free will and 100% pre-destined. So when we make a choice Left or Right?... it will bring us to a pre-destined future... Once we are at that pre-destined future and look back at our choices, we can only say that it was pre-destined that we made that choice.

In a 3 dimensional world, free will and pre-destiny can only exist and occupy a certain space (50% free will and 50% destiny). In a 10 dimensional world where time is 3 dimensional, 100% free will and 100% destiny co-exist simultaneously.