thoroughly confused

[limbogirl]

help,

am thoroughly and utterly confused. From what I have been reading on Steves site and on these forums, it seems that people think that humans are a manifestation of our higher self. We come to this earth to learn lessons.......I dont get it.....if our higher self is so wise and our consiousness is aaready part of the divine, then why do we need to learn lessons?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by limbogirl

.I dont get it.....if our higher self is so wise and our consiousness is already part of the divine, then why do we need to learn lessons?

I'm not all that hot on metaphysic... but maybe what they meant to say is that our experience on earth is to bring to the conscious what has already been implanted into our unconscious...

I have read somewhere that the root of education which is educare means to draw out and which is the opposite of to bring in... that is, we already know... but we are not aware of everything that we already know... so, what we have to do it to bring it out to the conscious...

Hopes this helps...

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[Billy]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I'm not all that hot on metaphysic... but maybe what they meant to say is that our experience on earth is to bring to the conscious what has already been implanted into our unconscious...

I have read somewhere that the root of education which is educare means to draw out and which is the opposite of to bring in... that is, we already know... but we are not aware of everything that we already know... so, what we have to do it to bring it out to the conscious...

Hopes this helps...

.

Thus creating awareness, nicely summed up.

[Matthew Shea]

Hi Limbogirl. I'll offer my $.02 and hopefully something will click:

The "higher self" is a new age idea that has its roots in Eastern religious tradition, which typically involves the idea that humans are reincarnated repeatedly until we "get it right". At that point, you achieve Nirvana, which is comparable to heaven, but is described as more of a place of perfect and eternal peace and interconnectedness with the universe. The higher self is basically your eternal soul or the "real you", which always has existed and will never die. That soul is incarnated in human form as part of its journey and search for Nirvana.

I'm sure that I'll get corrected on what I've said, as I personally subscribe to the Western tradition of heaven, hell and only one shot at this life, but hopefully this will help.

Also, I found this Wikipedia article that may clarify things.

[ShiningLight]

Limbogirl, I know where you're coming from. I had a hard time grasping these concepts as well - to the point where I felt like my head was going to blow up from all the "crazy" ideas.

Here's my take anyways:

...humans are a manifestation of our higher self.

I get the feeling that much of your confusion has to do with the word manifestation and what it implies. It implies separateness, as in I am "here" I manifest something that is separate from me over "there". This is what confused me too, because I was seeing a "manifestation" as something separate, something distinct. (in a way it is-forget I said that for now) Rather, think of it as we are both our "physical self" and our "higher self" simultaneously.

We come to this earth to learn lessons

You did not "come to earth." You are both a "part" of earth and a "part" of the "divine" as you put it, in this very instant. There is no distinction of time and space between the two. Time and space is a product of the physical realm.

...then why do we need to learn lessons?

To say we need to learn lessons, implies that our higher self is trying to teach us something - it isn't. In fact, I'm not sure it even cares what you do. Shamou, said it well. We are not learning in a sense that we are "discovering" something, "bringing something in." Yet, the truth (all the knowledge we need) is "uncovered," it is exposed - we are remembering.

Why? Because like you said the higher self knows everything. We are a part of the higher self so we should know everything too, right? RIGHT - But why is it that we don't? Why does it have to be difficult? Well, what put it into perspective for me is this: The higher self knows everything and so it HAS to know what it is to NOT know. Thus we are "manifested" - NOT knowing. And since we are, at this very moment, both our higher self and our physical self - we both KNOW and NOT know at the same instance.

Just to clarify. I am no expert in "metaphysics," "new-age," "SR" or whatever you want to call it. In fact, I hardly know what those terms mean. Can all those labels fit into my view? Yes, and so can every other religion. My belief - "It just is."

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by ShiningLight

To say we need to learn lessons, implies that our higher self is trying to teach us something - it isn't. In fact, I'm not sure it even cares what you do. Shamou, said it well. We are not learning in a sense that we are "discovering" something, "bringing something in." Yet, the truth (all the knowledge we need) is "uncovered," it is exposed - we are remembering.

Why? Because like you said the higher self knows everything. We are a part of the higher self so we should know everything too, right? RIGHT - But why is it that we don't? Why does it have to be difficult? Well, what put it into perspective for me is this: The higher self knows everything and so it HAS to know what it is to NOT know. Thus we are "manifested" - NOT knowing. And since we are, at this very moment, both our higher self and our physical self - we both KNOW and NOT know at the same instance.

Just to clarify. I am no expert in "metaphysics," "new-age," "SR" or whatever you want to call it. In fact, I hardly know what those terms mean. Can all those labels fit into my view? Yes, and so can every other religion. My belief - "It just is."

I'm gonna have to agree with Shining Light on this one.

Consciousness is all that exists. It is existence itself. Conversely, nothingness has never existed and never will. The domain of consciousness is knowing, and as per its nature, it sits on top of all knowledge. At this level, probability and actuality are the same thing, and this curious thing called consciousness explores all logical and illogical probability/actualities (lets just call them existences or realities). So.....it must also know what it is like to NOT know everything, or as Max Power put it:

Originally Posted by Max Power

I see consciousness as perfect, but laking an understanding of self and that physical reality is the imperfection that consciousness creates to experience itself. How can perfection know it's perfection without sensing imperfection, hence this existance.

Separation provides an additional dimension of experience. The duality allows us to appreciate the positives and negatives in reality. If you have a Christian bent, you can consider this separation to be the Fall of the bible. Those who have fallen must learn the hard way, so to speak. Or you could just look at it as us being the portion of The One that needed to experience separation. It really is just balance, but it is symbolically represented by Lucifer "rebelling" against God and taking many souls with him out of heaven. We are the Luciferian consciousness -- all who are separated. And this thing called separation involves "lessons".

Your infinite awareness has been broken up into "objects" and "form" that symbolically represent the knowledge you left behind. That knowledge is unconscious at the moment, for us on this side of the looking glass.

And, as Shining Light said, we are not aquiring new lessons, just remembering what we already know unconsciously. And it really bakes your noodle when you consider that this all (is/has/always will be) happening instaneously. Time is an illusion.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by limbogirl

help,

am thoroughly and utterly confused. From what I have been reading on Steves site and on these forums, it seems that people think that humans are a manifestation of our higher self. We come to this earth to learn lessons.......I dont get it.....if our higher self is so wise and our consiousness is aaready part of the divine, then why do we need to learn lessons?

I see consciousness as perfect, but laking an understanding of self and that physical reality is the imperfection that consciousness creates to experience itself. How can perfection know it's perfection without sensing imperfection, hence this existance.

Max

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by limbogirl

help,

am thoroughly and utterly confused. From what I have been reading on Steves site and on these forums, it seems that people think that humans are a manifestation of our higher self. We come to this earth to learn lessons.......I dont get it.....if our higher self is so wise and our consiousness is aaready part of the divine, then why do we need to learn lessons?

You dont need to digest all this new agey stuff.... just incorporate the beliefs that will help you improve in your like.

If you feel like believing you're actually a goddess in a human form just believe it, as long as it helps you achieve your goals. I wouldnt suggest that you should believe what some people in this forum believe in; that they alone can make anything happen just by sitting and willing it to happen.

[Steven Moros]

Keep questioning Limbogirl the answers are inside you. Whenever something doesn't make sense it is usually nonsensical (absurd) to begin with.

All the best
Steven

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by limbogirl

help,

am thoroughly and utterly confused. From what I have been reading on Steves site and on these forums, it seems that people think that humans are a manifestation of our higher self. We come to this earth to learn lessons.......I dont get it.....if our higher self is so wise and our consiousness is aaready part of the divine, then why do we need to learn lessons?

Humans are an manifestation of 'self', not the higher self, but the whole self. Take what you are as consciousness and see it through the lens of physicality and you've got your body and your world.

The world is here to make you more conscious. If you learn lessons along the way, that's fine.

The stuff outside your ego consciousness is not wiser than you. I know everyone thinks that, but it's not true. Self is currently lost in a quagmire of denial, searching for a way out. And it uses all it's resources to do it.

Some describe our consciousness as a 3-level system: soul/monad/ego. One would think that the soul has it all and the ego just flails around on Earth making dreadful mistakes waiting for the soul to enlighten it. Nope.

All three levels work together. Sometimes soul can't figure something out so it pushes the problem down to the ego level (and into physicality). Why ego? Ego, right now, lives in the physical plane, that's where it is focused. Physicality has a high degree of reflection that other modes of reality do not have. It's the in-your-face dimension. It, quite literally, reflects you back to you all the time. (Pretend you're looking into a mirror all day long except the mirror distorts what you see to look like other people and objects.) You don't really have to pretend; that's what is going on. Other planes of existence don't have the same mirroring effect, ie. you can fool yourself and not see the denial right away... or at all.

Physicality will stick it in your face, usually to the tune of "ouch!"

In our little corner of the galaxy, consciousness is playing with denial. It's finishing up it's experience with it and moving back to conscious creatorship.

[ahimel]

Originally Posted by Dharma

All three levels work together. Sometimes soul can't figure something out so it pushes the problem down to the ego level (and into physicality). Why ego? Ego, right now, lives in the physical plane, that's where it is focused. Physicality has a high degree of reflection that other modes of reality do not have. It's the in-your-face dimension. It, quite literally, reflects you back to you all the time. (Pretend you're looking into a mirror all day long except the mirror distorts what you see to look like other people and objects.) You don't really have to pretend; that's what is going on. Other planes of existence don't have the same mirroring effect, ie. you can fool yourself and not see the denial right away... or at all.

Physicality will stick it in your face, usually to the tune of "ouch!"

In our little corner of the galaxy, consciousness is playing with denial. It's finishing up it's experience with it and moving back to conscious creatorship.

This reminds me of spending time with my brother. Whereas I'm good at and enjoy academics (majored in Applied Mathematics with a focus on Quantum Mechancis, and a less practical set of classes would be difficult to imagine), Ian prefers to just work with his hands, and became a diesel mechanic. I'm still more comfortable in the academic spheres, and fortunately for my self-esteem academic-types like to think themselves superior to mere physical laborers. But when faced with a problem, the academics do things like Review The Theory or Form a Committee or Discuss In A Panel. The mechanics do things like Figure Out What's Not Working And Fix It.

I love hanging out at the bus garage with my brother, because when the light goes out, they don't moan and design longer-lasting lightbulbs and demand government reparations - they replace the damn bulb!