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07-09-2007, 10:00 AM
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I read some of A Course In Miracles book and i became very confused...  Do A Course In Miracles tell that we are soul or we are God or we are children-sons of God?Or? If we are created souls,then how are we One with God? What are souls made of? Help this kid please...  Last edited by Jack; 07-09-2007 at 10:06 AM. |
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07-09-2007, 10:53 AM
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Hi Jack, I haven't read a Course in Miracles (yet) but am currently halfway through 'The Disappearance of The Universe' by Gary R Renard which explains in easier terms The Course. From what I've gleaned so far we are essentially at one with God but an aspect of our minds at some point asked 'what if' and we slipped into a dream or illusion, of our own creation, of all the 'what if' possibilities and lost our way. When we deny the illusion we've created, (which is this percieved reality of life on earth) forgive ourselves for creating the whole 'what if' scenario, and accept the love of God, we'll return back to the true reality which is atonement with God. Lallymac |
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07-09-2007, 11:40 PM
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Hi, I've read the text of the Course In Miracles twice and I'm currently about 1/4 way through the exercises. It's an incredible book, isn't it? Don't feel badly if you find yourself struggling. I had great difficulty finishing the book the first time, but the second time was much easier to get through and I kept getting hit with wave after wave of realizations and "aha" moments! Do you find yourself saying "I knew that" when you read certain passages? That happened to me. Lallymac said it very well, as far as my understanding of the course. Several years ago I found the website linked below and signed up for the online newsletter. You'll also find podcasts and study guides and all sorts of material to aid students of the Course. Good luck with the Course. Enjoy your journey Miracle Distribution Center - A Networking Center for A Course in Miracles Miracle Distribution Center - A Networking Center for A Course in Miracles Miracle Distribution Center - A Networking Center for A Course in Miracles Miracle Distribution Center - A Networking Center for A Course in Miracles Last edited by Ree; 07-09-2007 at 11:41 PM. Reason: Oops! I forgot to post the link. |
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07-10-2007, 09:02 AM
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I know of the book,but I haven't read it.It has an O.K. from the New Age community.I belive that it says that we are evolving sons of God,with potential of,one day,to manifest divinity fully.As a soul,we are divine already. You have to understand concept of God in the right way.Everything is his energy,so he is everywhere and nowhere at the same time.Material universe is the lowest vibrational manifestation of Spirit.Go to wikipedia and look for: Panentheism,Emanationism,Absolute Monism,and of course reincarnation (not transmigration).there's a lot more,write if you want. I'm Croatian Marko |
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07-10-2007, 09:44 AM
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I've given copies of ACIM to many people I love, and usually there is a struggle the first time through the book - to some it is like reading gibberish, to others just plain incomprehensible, but for those who continue to read, read a second or third time - it is like the book opens up to them and in each subsequent reading the message penetrates the psyche more and more until there is that "Aha" moment spoke of in the previous post - | |
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07-10-2007, 08:47 PM
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Thanks for answers people... "Marko: I know of the book,but I haven't read it.It has an O.K. from the New Age community.I belive that it says that we are evolving sons of God,with potential of,one day,to manifest divinity fully.As a soul,we are divine already. You have to understand concept of God in the right way.Everything is his energy,so he is everywhere and nowhere at the same time.Material universe is the lowest vibrational manifestation of Spirit.Go to wikipedia and look for: Panentheism,Emanationism,Absolute Monism,and of course reincarnation (not transmigration).there's a lot more,write if you want. I'm Croatian Marko" What is the relation between soul and energy? Also,what is the relation between spirit and soul? |
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07-10-2007, 08:55 PM
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In ACIM, it is defined something like this... SOURCE ENERGY (father) SON / SONSHIP (consciousness) EGO (projection of consciousness or consciousness in resistance) Reality/Truth - the underlying truth of the father Illusion - the outer world of ego projection the soul I guess would be the point of consciousness within your ego projection. oh, almost forgot: Christ (point of consciousness within the projection ego body, aware that it is consciousness) or I AM Last edited by torilink; 07-10-2007 at 09:07 PM. Reason: editing to add text |
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07-10-2007, 09:18 PM
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"19. Miracles make minds one in God. They depend on cooperation, because the Sonship is the sum of all the Souls God created. Miracles therefore rest on the laws of eternity, not of time." (from A Course in Miracles book) It says that Sonship is the sum of all the souls God created,so does it mean that we are souls which are created by God? |
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07-10-2007, 10:03 PM
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Thank you for your fast answer torilink We were God,then we started to think about ourself and this created consciousness.Then parts of this consciousness started to think that they are apart from this consciousness,and think that they are different parts... Is it something like this? |
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07-10-2007, 11:08 PM
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yes, you are on spot - Source reflected upon itself, creating an image of itself (like a reflection) within the Mind of God/Source that reflection was a creation therefor has the creative ability of the creator (made in the image of God). Now because we cannot know a reflection (think about looking at your own reflection) all we can know is the appearance of it - not the various attributes or inner workings, because it is only a reflection. Consciousness then is burst into infinate parts/points and each contained within ego, because without resistance or containment, all is one again. Consciousness projected Ego (not created - because creation is infinate and ego is temporal). each point is god within (I AM), the seed of consciousness - which when we diminish the ego shell of resistance is able to sprout and grow in this awareness. I think, but cannot prove that this is the figurative "ressurection" - or as it is better know "to awaken" from death. |
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07-12-2007, 02:02 PM
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What is the relation between soul and energy? Also,what is the relation between spirit and soul?[/QUOTE] I took a better nickname,it's still Marko. Everithing in the manifested universe is energy vibrating at different frequency. There is a trinity-Spirit,Soul,Matter or Life,Quality,Apearance and it's all energy coming from one source.I would again direct you to search for those terms I already gave you,plus you can try searching for unified field theory,and superstring theory and see how scientists support monism and extra dimensions.Matter and consciousness are all God's energy Last edited by Atma; 07-13-2007 at 04:13 PM. Reason: grammar |
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07-14-2007, 03:32 AM
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HI Jack: We are one, and we are part of the GOD's wholeness, I know that it's a difficult concept to understand, but don't worry... ACIM is not an easy reading, but everytime you'll find that the concepts become crystal-clear to you... just keep reading, because believe me, this is an essential reading for your soul. I strongly recommend you the Robert Perry's book= Path of Light: Stepping into Peace with "A Course in Miracles", this is a wounderful book that explains very well what is ACIM. At the beginning I have the same problem that you're facing now, but this book gave me the whole vision that I needed. I'm sure that it will be very helpful for your journey ! Blessings, AGUS |
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07-23-2007, 09:34 PM
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Thanks for answers,i realized that i didn't understand Acim right...Maybe if i had it in my language i might understand better,but it's in English.I am happy that i realized(with your help) that i understood it wrong. After reading random parts of Acim,i thought we were souls which were created by God and we were not one in God,God was different,we were not God or God was not in us... |
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07-24-2007, 01:13 AM
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This may help. This link was posted in another thread and I followed it from there. There is some discussion of ACIM on this website which clarifies a lot of things. Discover the Real Jesus Discover the Real Jesus |
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08-29-2007, 12:40 PM
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Hi everybody, I am new here. Discovered this forum just by coincidence. I am reading A Course in Miracles right now, getting almost to the 2/3 of the text part. It is not easy reading at all. Although I read the Disappearance of the Universe twice. I’ve read most of Wayne Dyers books before and trying to get the same ideas from all of them, however some things don't seem to make sense to me. In ACIM or Disappearance of the Universe nothing around us is real and GOD has pretty much nothing to do with the world around us. In many Dyers books I have the feeling it is all gods creations around us.What confuses me is the fact, that Dyer is inspired by ACIM , or at least is mentioning it in many of his books. Does anybody have similar experience? Thank you Luk |
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08-29-2007, 02:06 PM
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09-07-2007, 05:27 AM
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Hi Jack, If you can, seek out a copy of ACIM in your native language. The Workbook for Students alone advises the training period is meant to be one year. If you draw out your reading and also join a study group (or an on-line one), you may find you understand differently. Each time you read the text, you can get more out of it.  |
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10-22-2007, 10:45 PM
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According to David Hawkins, ACIM calibrates around 600+, making it very factual, and quite enlightening. Here is what Hawkins says about the Bible: Quote:
So at least according to Hawkins, ACIM is very important and highly relevant work. I believe "The Secret" calibrates at around 125 (pure crap). Hawkins own books calibrate from 850-999.5 range themselves, with 1000 being maximum for humanity - that is what Jesus was when he was walking the earth. Hawkins further says that in his calibration studies, students of ACIM at lesson 75 become "Immune" to negative stimuli. He says that this seems to be the critical point in the studies, but that they must be followed from 1-75 before it all really clicks for people. | |
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10-22-2007, 10:59 PM
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Hawkins has a measurement to determine universal truth of anything. A system anyone can use, he explains it in detail in his books. Basically, with the system you can calibrate whether anything is enriching or energy draining, truth or false, whatever. It is like tapping into the Akaskic Records or something. Pretty interesting stuff. Especially when you use it to find truth vs false stuff in your life. Any book, magazine, TV show, Food, Product, politician, phrase, sentence, object, whatever can be "Calibrated". 1 Is dead, 1000 is true enlightenment(Jesus), there are numerous levels between 1 and 1000. Anything under 200 is considered life draining or negative, and not a very good thing to become wrapped up in. In essence, he discovered the currently only known method to detect actual truth in anything. If people used his method, the losers of the world and their illusions would become very obvious, this is why many view his work as some of the most important in our century. |
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10-23-2007, 12:26 AM
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| A Course In Miracles A Biblical Evaluation Hawkins still rates ACIM well below the Bible. So I would stick to biblical studies for the ultimately truth personally. I am still processing a lot of info, these new agey type texts don't resonate very well with me, Jesus on the other hand, resonates well with me as the ultimate truth. But that is my opinion. As always, I think this is a journey we all eventually take, and it is up to us to decipher the truth. Channeled Material automatically raises a red light for me, too many points of distortion are able to penetrate any channeled work. |
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10-23-2007, 05:40 AM
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I find much value and both the old/new testements, I see no inconsistencies whatsoever between them and ACIM. As far as "Channeled" material ... wasn't the entire old testament "Channeled" by prophets? same thing in my eyes. | |
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10-23-2007, 02:55 PM
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01-28-2008, 01:57 AM
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| Clarifying Hawkins Calibration
Hawkins admits in his second or third book, that although his calibrations always work for him, the calibration process doesn't necessarily work for others. If either the calibrator or the calibratee have a low calibration themselves, information received via his muscle testing method can be untrue. According to ACIM it doesn't really matter, because it isn't real anyway. Always follow your heart. My heart told me when I read his first book that the muscle testing method was not reliable. So I never even considered that part of his writings important. I do find him helpful, but again, always follow your heart. ACIM is a good path for me because, and I can't quite explain it, it resonnates for me. Yours truly, Belle  |
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03-23-2008, 11:37 PM
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untless they are able to perform miracles, than im not gonna buy their interpretation of A Course in Miracles. Theres alot of ACIM students that disgree with 'The Disappearance of The Universe' and if you dig deeper their right, if you dont understand it that ok But never ever let anybody else mislead you. Path of Light by Robert Perry - at least this is to with the course Last edited by supertom; 03-23-2008 at 11:42 PM. |
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