Getting over One consciousness/solipism/SR..

[DaveTyler]

Seriously has anyone EVER recovered? Im seriously on the verge of giving up life all together...
Please if someone disagree with this and got good arguements pleases come forward.

NOT you MaxPower:P byt he way someone had ur nameon a depersonalization / dereallizaton board..Was that you?

[Groundless]

I am already dead myself. I have "given up" without terminating the flesh, we will get back to what we really are soon enough. Might as well act out our role here as best we can and experience every now moment we can.

If you are using any substances (alcohol, drugs, etc) I suggest stopping.

I care and wish you the best.

[DaveTyler]

SO you are real and conscoius like me? Im not alone or what is your belief?

[Groundless]

I believe I am one dividual of the One and not an individual.

I believe everything is perfectly perfect the way it is right now.

I believe we suffer due to desire.

I believe we can overcome suffering by letting go desire.

Letting go through being in the now every moment we can. Getting back to now eliminates the fourth dimension of time, we are timeless.

I believe there is no reality here, these words, this so-called life.

I believe, we will get back to what I really am soon enough.

I believe being in this very moment, this point, spot, is where I need to focus and just be. Sometimes this is difficult, sometimes this is easy.

I can feel your anxiety and edginess. I understand this suffering. The only advice I can give is to lean into the pain, the suffering. Feel the feeling. Meditate. Know you are not the body, not the mind, you are a dividual. You have unicity with all of creation. Focus on the meaning of "I am" and what you were (are) before you were here on this stage of life and what you will be (again, are) when you leave this so-called life.

I wish I had more to help you with. I hope there was something there to help you help yourself. I am not adept at these matters yet and am ignorant in many things.

Know that I care.

[Maguru]

Maybe the question of recovery could be, 'will we ever change'?
My experience of mental illness has brought awareness of harmful, almost sub-conscious beliefs that I held of myself and the world around me. This awareness has given me opportunity to change, and it is still a work in progress, but I can honestly say that the intensity of agony has greatly reduced.
I have been working on awareness of self for several years and without a doubt it is the road less travelled and if I had been wise before the fact, I would have taken the medication. ha ha
I have to believe my suffering is for a reason. I believe the desire for emotional connection to others is achieved through suffering. Empathy and understanding are born through suffering. Many of you have suffered the loss of a loved one as I myself have. Could it be the loss that opens up our hearts to others? Could we use our open hearts to end our own suffering? To feel for ourselves what we feel for others with compassion and understanding.
We are not crazy. We are hurting. We need to be heard!

[Maguru]

I feel that some of your comments negate the human experience i.e you are not your body and not your mind, this so called life, the before and after life. These are not based in the reality of the human experience. To view this one and only life (that we are aware of) as 'unreal' is crazy.

The knowledge of a better afterlife does nothing to improve this one. Burying ones head in the sand doesn't either. Be honest. Be real. We are all in this together. We all need to take responsibilty for that which we can change and not waste energy on that which we cannot.

I do suffer from desire but desire for the human family to unite. Without this global desire followed by action it just won't happen. Don't knock desire, it is a powerful emotion that creates anew.

Originally Posted by Groundless

I believe I am one dividual of the One and not an individual.

I believe everything is perfectly perfect the way it is right now.

I believe we suffer due to desire.

I believe we can overcome suffering by letting go desire.

Letting go through being in the now every moment we can. Getting back to now eliminates the fourth dimension of time, we are timeless.

I believe there is no reality here, these words, this so-called life.

I believe, we will get back to what I really am soon enough.

I believe being in this very moment, this point, spot, is where I need to focus and just be. Sometimes this is difficult, sometimes this is easy.

I can feel your anxiety and edginess. I understand this suffering. The only advice I can give is to lean into the pain, the suffering. Feel the feeling. Meditate. Know you are not the body, not the mind, you are a dividual. You have unicity with all of creation. Focus on the meaning of "I am" and what you were (are) before you were here on this stage of life and what you will be (again, are) when you leave this so-called life.

I wish I had more to help you with. I hope there was something there to help you help yourself. I am not adept at these matters yet and am ignorant in many things.

Know that I care.

[DaveTyler]

Thanks, the thing is I hope I am just m physical... Cause that means we are all real...
Do you believe u are the only one in existance?
See I chased spirituality in a hope of meaning with life stubmled upon Subective Reality and has been fuced ever since.
Jyust turned 18 and life is over by SOME ************D philosophy.
Trut me when I say there is no god. I KNOW
Trut me when I say there is no god. I KNOW no being would let his child suffer like I do... Going from being a hopeful compassionate teenager to a suicidal narcissist

[Groundless]

Do you believe u are the only one in existance?

I am the only existence. I includes you. So yes. Just not this world. There is no "I" Groundless and "I" DaveTyler. There is only I.

I would suggest asking for some help in your local community for this.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Maguru

I feel that some of your comments negate the human experience i.e you are not your body and not your mind, this so called life, the before and after life. These are not based in the reality of the human experience. To view this one and only life (that we are aware of) as 'unreal' is crazy.

You correctly understood me. There is no you, no I (named Maguru and Groundless). This is not reality. It is crazy to believe otherwise indeed.

[unicorn]

There is a saying that goes: "Be in this world but not of it". I think it is very descriptive of how to handle SR. SR really only makes sense when you have yourself had a direct inner experience of what it is. Much of the information on it is very intellectualised, using words that only makes sense to those that have the inner realisation, but just confuses those who do not. I subscribe very much to the statemenst Groundless wrote, but I do not believe that just having those as beliefs will do any good unless you have a direct inner realisation of who you really are.

The reason is that no matter what beliefs one subscribe to every person down here has innate knowledge that they exist and are consciously aware. Until one have a direct inner realisation that this ordinary everyday awareness of the fact that one exists is the same awareness/consiousness that makes everybody else aware that they exist - the direct EXPERIENCE of being one with all of it, any attempt to place one's identity with this all-pervading awareness becomes just an intellectual exercise that does not make sense.

So my advice is - drop thinking about the possibility of you not existing, because you know you do. Actually that is the only thing you know for sure! Then move on to discover who you really are on the inside, go on a search for you true self. That will get you there and let you have an interesting road to travel. If somebody else tells you that you don't exist then they are not talking to you, rather making assumptions that you do not know who you are and they are trying to help you discover the real you. They have the best of intentions, but if it only makes you feel bad, ignore it and find a path that makes sense to you from your current point of awarenss. Do not allow yourself to be confused by someone elses inadequate descriptions, the words are not the truth, just like the menu is not the food.

[Akashic_Librarian]

DaveTyler. You do not seek answers to your questions. You do not seek a good counter argument. You seek solice. You yearn for acceptance of your idea. I know this...because you ask Max not to reply, because you know he could argue better than any of us and give you a good reason why you should believe it.

Just think about it DaveTyler...when you are ready for answers, you will find them.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Seriously has anyone EVER recovered? Im seriously on the verge of giving up life all together...

Dave, do not believe anything or consider anything that makes you feel depressed or bad. You control how you feel and all the ideas in the world, while interesting, should never be adopted if they pose any kind of harm on any level to yourself or others. People (including me) on this forum post their opinions based on their own personal beliefs, we fight, we argue, we disgree, but in the end we try to aid those help seek assistance including you.

Please if someone disagree with this and got good arguements pleases come forward.

Only you can decide what works for you, if it doesn't fit, don't let others make you adopt something that doesn't work for you.

NOT you MaxPower:P byt he way someone had ur nameon a depersonalization / dereallizaton board..Was that you?

I respond for it is important that I assure you, that I believe you are important and while you are very intensive of your questioning of me, that is a wonderful thing for you actually aid myself to understand everything better, we cannot afford to loss you, you are very important.

The only Max Power I know of resides here on this forum, I do not post anywhere else, so rest assured I'm here for you

Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

You yearn for acceptance of your idea. I know this...because you ask Max not to reply, because you know he could argue better than any of us and give you a good reason why you should believe it.

The questioning of self is vital to realise self.

I am no expert, I am on the same journey as everyone else. I post ideas and concepts that I find helpful, I post replies to help others for those replies help self. All of this I see as helpful to self, to you, to Dave, to AL, to me.

I fight with self, I dispise self, I love self, Self drives me nuts!

Thanks self, I can't do it without you

Max

[Maguru]

Yes there is a me. Yes there is a you. We may very well exist at the same energy level as one, but we are physical human beings who think, feel and experience as individuals. This is reality. This is the human experience of the one life of which we are fully aware of.
Your phylosophy does nothing to change the human experience but everything to avoid it. It may make you feel better to think in this way but is that a good enough motive for the removal of common sense?


QUOTE=Groundless;86392]You correctly understood me. There is no you, no I (named Maguru and Groundless). This is not reality. It is crazy to believe otherwise indeed.[/QUOTE]

[Maguru]

I am forty years older than you and I became a suicidal narcissus at 48 and I really wish it had come 40yrs sooner. I would have led a completely different life.
I do believe we are real but I also believe we are capable of so much more. Your suffering has come much earlier than mine and I can assure you that you will change for the better.
If you were happy with your life now, you would not make the changes that are absolutely necessary for your evolution. The pain and suffering is the only force that demands attention. Do not ignore it. Allow it to guide you, one step at a time. Be kind to yourself and acknowledge your strengths in the endurance of your suffering. You are not alone.

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Thanks, the thing is I hope I am just m physical... Cause that means we are all real...
Do you believe u are the only one in existance?
See I chased spirituality in a hope of meaning with life stubmled upon Subective Reality and has been fuced ever since.
Jyust turned 18 and life is over by SOME ************D philosophy.
Trut me when I say there is no god. I KNOW
Trut me when I say there is no god. I KNOW no being would let his child suffer like I do... Going from being a hopeful compassionate teenager to a suicidal narcissist

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by unicorn

SR really only makes sense when you have yourself had a direct inner experience of what it is. I subscribe very much to the statemenst Groundless wrote, but I do not believe that just having those as beliefs will do any good unless you have a direct inner realisation of who you really are.

That is perfectly true. Most people will look at you like you have a screw loose and totally wont get it unless they have experienced it.

Originally Posted by unicorn

Do not allow yourself to be confused by someone elses inadequate descriptions, the words are not the truth, just like the menu is not the food.

I agree. If I made your situation worse DaveTyler rather than better I am sorry for that. I seem to suck at this and trying can hurt others....hmmm.

As before, I do care and wish you the best.

[DaveTyler]

Thanks
Im starting to thin that all the philosophy, religion and spiritualit is the cause of all suffering in the world. WE ARE NOT IMPORTANT.
Evolution theor is not a theor its a fact...
The frightenes of death has created dleusions lie SR/Buddhism/Hinduism and 34232 more religions They hae one thing in common he are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...
I used to be afraid of the factthat we are our human brain, now after a delusional trip I see that escaping facs like death etc will only lead o dlesion.
There is no "One consciousness" Maybe UG Krishnamurti was true, here is no consciousness.
I stronglyadvice everyone to put their delusions down and face raeliy bfor eu mess ur brain up wih solipism...Goodluck
By the way LoA and all ha is jus psychological games, its not a Law or whatever in reality.

Im not saying this to put u down or anyhing. But I sought spirituality tyo become loving, found this site became suicidal narcissist.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

face raeliy

The face you see in reality is only yours.
(When I say "face", I don't mean the face of your physical body.)

You'll get it.

[DaveTyler]

IFT u ar still normal because u dont belive in SR Thats good
See deep down u all know this is delusions, otherwise Max why the ************k would u care if I died? It would be ur consciousness killing me.

[DaveTyler]

So humans are special and survive death? Proof?
Lets for a second follow LOGIC and evidence... consciousness is in our brain...
Our brain will eventually die... immortal where?

[Akashic_Librarian]

Actually Dave there is no proof Consciousness is in our brains.

Just a test, are you aware of a thought? Can you feel it? Move it? Can you...sense it? No. You can only see the effect.

Plus Dave you don't really mean Logic, you mean Science. You mean Skepticisim. Its perfectly logical that, if consciousness is outside of the mind in a "Soul" form, then humans are immortal. Why is that not logical? It makes perfect sense.

[DaveTyler]

theres like 23532523 things concluding that the consciousness is in the brain... NONE of soul

[Akashic_Librarian]

Care to share a couple of facts that prove consciousness is in the brain then?

[DaveTyler]

Take some drugs man

If there was a soul it would control the mind not the other way around, so why then when ur drunk etc ur consciousness is affected?


Either way if U can live with being he only conscios bein in the world GO ahead

[Akashic_Librarian]

NO its not consciousness that is affected. Its mental ability. Consciousness and mental ability are too different things. The brain is like my computer terminal, my consciousness is like my user. If the terminal gets a virus, the user isn't affected, but he still finds it hard to get the terminal to do what he wants.

[DaveTyler]

So ur saying ur consciousness creates me?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

So ur saying ur consciousness creates me?

Dave,

I can understand and appreciate why subjective reality disturbs you. I don't think the manner in which most people portray subjective reality is correct either. Let me express my perspective in as few words as I possibly can:

Nothingness does not exist, for it is nothingness -- it is an idea created to describe a hypothetical state of infinite lack. It can't exist, because it is nothingness and if nothingness existed, it would then be somethingness and cease to be nothingness anymore. Because of that little metaphysical conundrum, everythingness DOES exist. This is balance. This thing we call "consciousness" or "awareness" is the same as what I have just called "everythingness". Observation is the backbone of existence -- the foundation for knowing. If there were no consciousness, how would you ever come to know if anything existed? Furthermore, would it matter if it did exist? My intuition, experiences, and personal meditations have led me to understand that consciousness is the realm of knowing itself. It is existence itself, and as such, it contains all probabilities. Consciousness is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. If calling the backbone of existence "God" makes you happy, more power to you -- you may relate to your essential essence in anyway you please, though some try to make others feel bad for doing so.

What is the one thing an all knowing being does not know? And yes, this is a trick question. If one were continously aware of all things, of all probabilities, all the time, one cannot know what it is like to understand a state of NOT knowing, of not being completely aware. Because consciousness is the continuum of knowing, it HAS to know this probability, and births realities to accomodate this. Some people believe consciousness creates imperfection to appreciate itself, and maybe that is their take on that, but I don't feel that is a completely accurate statement (though, understand, no statement of words is). The reality we live in, a reality where the concept of "Lack" and "Separation" are real exists in order for Existence to be complete. In otherwords, realities like this exist to maintain and enrich perfection. It doesn't mean our reality is imperfect -- it is actually an integral part of perfection. You have to understand that all definitions of perfection are simply that: definitions. They are standards that we design and apply to reality, and are simply more examples of the thoughtform of separation playing out.

It is often said that All is a Grand Illusion. Physical reality is said to be a dream. What is the difference between the perfect illusion of a tree and a real tree? The distinction is arbitrary and meaningless. The value is what you assign it. If all is an illusion, then illusion is real. In a vivid dream, I can still sit under the tree, touch it, smell it, see it, taste the apples growing on it, and hear the birds chirping in it.

On subjective reality: Because everything already exists in the realm of consciousness, nothing was ever created and nothing will ever be destroyed. Things appear to have a beginning and an end in our reality because it is the playout of the thoughtform of Separation, and that involves linear time. The people you see on a day to day basis are you, but not in a solipsistic way. They are not unconscious robots walking around just to jack around with you. I'm real, you're real, we're all real, but we are all the same and yet we are different pieces of the whole. Imagine if you could skip to the end of this story called the universe and since you have all the time in the world on your hands (since it doesn't exist anyhow), you have the oppurtunity to go back and live each and every life ever lived. And while you are in those lives, all the people you come into contact with are YOU. You are interacting with yourself either in the future or the past, and they are real, but they are YOU.

Every single shred of consciousness is an immeasurably important piece of the whole. If one iota of consciousness were to discreate (but don't worry, it can't), the whole realm of existence would also. For me, all subjective reality has ever meant to me is that the Oberserver is not separate from the Observed. It's an important realization. Understand that your personal human ego is not the real you. That is you day dreaming you are someone with limitations. But you are also daydreaming that you are an infinite number of other people right now too, and they are all just as real as the ego you think are right now as well. And don't think the name of this game is to just wake up and realize you are god and be superman suddenly. It doesn't work that way. Maybe it does for some people, but each conscious incarnation is slightly different. You could be in this reality of limitation, for an entirely different purpose from the person you are standing next to.

Finding out what that purpose is will lead you to your path towards spiritual evolution. You are thinking are so many levels right now that you aren't aware of physically. You have many so called higher selves, and each one is just one more more cognizant self that has not yet expanded into All That Is. Your higher self's free will can overide your own, and the reason for that is awareness. You give up awareness when you incarnate into this reality. Most of the time the reason for this is that it is easier to learn from a blank state rather than working through the conditioning of inummerable past incarnations. Manifestion, and ideas like the law of attraction will work insofar as what you want does not interfere with what your higher self wants for you. There are lessons to be learned and if what you want interferes with those lessons it will set up road blocks, because having everything you ever wanted isn't always the reason you incarnated, believe it or not.

I basically just wanted to let you know there is more to this subjective reality stuff then most people let on. Or so, that's my opinion. People like to couch things in mysterious terms and concepts that just confuse people who don't already possess a certain understanding and it causes more insanity than enlightenment.

If you are ever interested in books that brought me alot of sanity over my spiritual path thus far, let me know. I used to have no belief in life after death either, and it took alot of reading and meditating to convince me otherwise.

Cheers.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

IFT u ar still normal because u dont belive in SR Thats good
See deep down u all know this is delusions, otherwise Max why the ************k would u care if I died? It would be ur consciousness killing me.

Caring about death is not very significant from the SR POV. That's why it doesn't really affect me when the 150,000 people a day die. If someone close to me dies, someone I know, interact with, then it's slightly more significant, for its more of a significant creation. If you died I would have to consider why that part of consciousness was no longer required.

SR is all about believing that people and physical reality are creations of consciousness, it also places identity with consciousness as the primary source of everything in awareness. Some people wrongly believe that this makes you god and that is incorrect, for thinking you are god is an ego/mind/body concept.

The fate of people (including me) as physical beings is of limited importance, that's why so many people die everyday, it's not really about physical avatars, what is important is the state of consciousness, the state of the game, the state of the perception. From the SR POV, interacting with people in a positive manner is beneficial to the overall state of consciousness and of course it feels good from a avatar/person POV.

This is how I see Consciousness, this is how I see SR

Max

[Groundless]

Row, row row your boat
gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.

[ExploringTheMatrix]

Originally Posted by Groundless

Row, row row your boat
gently down the stream
Merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.

Shucks I was just thinking about that song a few days ago, and how I never looked at it as more than a simple song when I was a child. Funny how raising your awareness makes you look at things differently.