The Matrix Thread

[Max Power]

Great movie with some very cool themes, thought I'd start a thread about it and how there might be some clues to help us get a better grip on creation

I'm moving right away from LoA and IM and finding conscious choice is the creator of everything, the more I let go of intention and desire, the level and speed of creation seems to be enhanced

In the Matrix the issue for Neo is one of choice, why he keeps fighting, why he keeps searching, because he's choosing to on a conscious level, he denys much of his choice and that's where the Oracle steps in, to aid him.

Some Oracle quotes.

"You've already made the choice, you're here to understand it"

and

"We can never see past the choices we can't understand"

I see Neo, the character as consciousness finding his way back to perfection through the imperfection of reality and the Matrix, his power grows as he makes a better connection with conscious choice. Another thing I notice is he doesn't need to emote much to create, some would say that's because the journey seems depressing, but it's because he realises you don't need to emote on high levels or any levels to create. You can emote as a validator of creation, but it's not creative.

If you have any (positive) thoughts about the concept/ideas/charaters of the Matrix Movie(s) jump right in, the goo in the pod is warm

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Great movie with some very cool themes, thought I'd start a thread about it and how there might be some clues to help us get a better grip on creation

I'm moving right away from LoA and IM and finding conscious choice is the creator of everything, the more I let go of intention and desire, the level and speed of creation seems to be enhanced

In the Matrix the issue for Neo is one of choice, why he keeps fighting, why he keeps searching, because he's choosing to on a conscious level, he denys much of his choice and that's where the Oracle steps in, to aid him.

Some Oracle quotes.

"You've already made the choice, you're here to understand it"

and

"We can never see past the choices we can't understand"

I see Neo, the character as consciousness finding his way back to perfection through the imperfection of reality and the Matrix, his power grows as he makes a better connection with conscious choice. Another thing I notice is he doesn't need to emote much to create, some would say that's because the journey seems depressing, but it's because he realises you don't need to emote on high levels or any levels to create. You can emote as a validator of creation, but it's not creative.

If you have any (positive) thoughts about the concept/ideas/charaters of the Matrix Movie(s) jump right in, the goo in the pod is warm

There is no spoon.

Pretty well sums it all up.

The part where Morphius talks about how people in the matrix do not want to wake up yet it is their mission to help them wake up is one point I got the last time I watched it.

the more I let go of intention and desire, the level and speed of creation seems to be enhanced

The more I let go the happier I am. Right now, letting go of sexual desire is my hurdle. I am having "trouble" with that. I think the best I will get to here is just to observe the emotion/desire and to be able to just let it be (so to speak).

[AndreaHess]

I love this thread! I always think of the Matrix as a very spiritual movie.

I think the most important thing is to bring our choices forward into consciousness. To not allow ourselves to remain unconscious, living reactively rather than as Creators.

But that brings with it huge amounts of responsibility, which is why most people don't want to "wake up" in the Matrix.

The second movie left me a little disappointed, but I liked the ending of the trilogy, which circles back around to Oneness and Wholeness - that all separation is illusion. At least, that was my take on it!

[Akashic_Librarian]

For me The Matrix is about a way of relating to reality and its inhabitants, how we should live and what we should do.

It is also about choices, the Whys of living, the Hows of living...all the fiddly bits most people need help with.

Its a movie of life. Purpose. And Reason.

Thats how I see it.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Groundless

The part where Morphius talks about how people in the matrix do not want to wake up yet it is their mission to help them wake up is one point I got the last time I watched it.

Groundless just a couple of comments, I hope you don't mind?


Try to see it this way;
all us unlimited beings are here to play in this Psychological reality that we call "earth" that we've created.
They'll "wake up" when they're done. (On the other side of Eternity.)

From this perspective, is there the need to "wake" the world up?

Originally Posted by Groundless

Right now, letting go of sexual desire is my hurdle. I am having "trouble" with that.

We've created this "playground" for us unlimited beings to play in.
I'm curious why you would want to get rid of sexual desire?

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

We've created this "playground" for us unlimited beings to play in.
I'm curious why you would want to get rid of sexual desire?

I also wonder about this, why is it that virtually every "belief system" out there does it's best to demonize sexuality? I can understand why a religion that thrives on fear and guilt such as Christianity would, but other than using it to "hook" everyone who isn't a fan of murdering or stealing into the "guilty and going to hell!" side, what's the idea of getting rid of sexual desire? What is the positive effect?

[Akashic_Librarian]

Sex pfft. When I've had it, I will have a better argument but here is how i See it from the Virgin Perspective:

Its good, its make you healthier. Its stress relief. And if you do it hard enough, good exercise.

[DaveTyler]

There is no sin in sex, its like Buddha said "having sex will never kill the DESIRE for sex, if you have sex 1000 times u want it 1001.

Getting rid of the desire doesnt mean u cant have sex again

[mlc82]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Sex pfft. When I've had it, I will have a better argument but here is how i See it from the Virgin Perspective:

Its good, its make you healthier. Its stress relief. And if you do it hard enough, good exercise.

A non virgin agrees 100%

[Max Power]

Neo's sheer lack of much emotion (of course we could blame KR's acting ) and yet as he realises the truth of his situation his power grows, but he doesn't need to emote more.

This is why I drone on about the requirement for emotion and even thought. If we use the Neo/Matrix example and how power can be attained from just realisation of truth, then we don't need emotion to create. The requirement for emotion is to enjoy creation, not to create.

He has many guides and teachers, oracle, morpheous, trinity, even smith, but he has to walk the path himself. Along the way without much emotion, he makes choices that create circumstance, that aid in his further realisation of the truth.

There is no spoon, interesting the explanation that to bend the spoon is impossible, to bend the spoon you have to bend, you have to change, alot like the real world, everything changes when you change, even spoons

[Akashic_Librarian]

The Spoon bending being impossible made me wonder for a while...i thought, why is it impossible, how can it be, he is doing it...! Hes contradicting himself by his own actions.

Then I realised, its not that the spoon bends. Its the He bends his belief about the spoon. Thus, it too, bends.


Its like a microcosm for Reality, reality is rigid only because you say it is.

[DaveTyler]

If it really is like this though anyone know any real spoonbenders?

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

There is no sin in sex, its like Buddha said "having sex will never kill the DESIRE for sex, if you have sex 1000 times u want it 1001.

Getting rid of the desire doesnt mean u cant have sex again

This was the essence of what I was getting at. I will still have it, just when/if it happens it will be enjoyed in the moment. I do not believe in sin much less sin relating to sex with my wife.

Since we are not the body or the mind or anything in this consciousness we are the original, the primordial One. Moving beyond duality requires removing desire or at least not responding to it.

[Groundless]

We've created this "playground" for us unlimited beings to play in.
I'm curious why you would want to get rid of sexual desire?

It is the attachment to the desire that is the issue for me, the hunger, the addiction. I believe sex itself is ourselves merging with ourselves (which is what will happen when we die)....basically, all "good" there.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Neo's sheer lack of much emotion (of course we could blame KR's acting ) and yet as he realises the truth of his situation his power grows, but he doesn't need to emote more.

This is why I drone on about the requirement for emotion and even thought. If we use the Neo/Matrix example and how power can be attained from just realisation of truth, then we don't need emotion to create. The requirement for emotion is to enjoy creation, not to create.

He has many guides and teachers, oracle, morpheous, trinity, even smith, but he has to walk the path himself. Along the way without much emotion, he makes choices that create circumstance, that aid in his further realisation of the truth.

There is no spoon, interesting the explanation that to bend the spoon is impossible, to bend the spoon you have to bend, you have to change, alot like the real world, everything changes when you change, even spoons

emotion is reactive and based upon perception/belief.

Neo is no longer re-acting to the "reality" in the matrix, therefor no longer needing to emote. Knowing is powerful.

[Groundless]

Neo is no longer re-acting to the "reality" in the matrix

Just like once this reality of no-reality is accepted that we are not the body and not the mind - why react to anything in this made up existence.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by torilink

emotion is reactive and based upon perception/belief.

Neo is no longer re-acting to the "reality" in the matrix, therefor no longer needing to emote. Knowing is powerful.

True, but he is very emotionless from the very begining, although now I think about it, he suffers from doubt big time, which is more thought than emotion albeit displayed as fear. So as he accepts the true nature of reality, he lets go of doubt, accepts and drops much fear.

Knowing is extremely powerful

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Groundless

why react to anything in this made up existence.

Exactly, why bother envoking made up reactions to something of your own creation. Observe for sure, see the observation, but it's hardly worth emoting on a grand scale other than to sense growth. The only problem with this is that you move closer (back) to perfection and that was the whole point of the created reality, to experience imperfection.

It's a fine line between knowing the truth, accepting the truth and dealing with the truth.

When Neo goes to the machine city, he knows how it's going to end, he's on his way back to perfection (physical death probably after finishing with the machines) and has chosen the path to end the experience. Everytime he choose not to go to the machine city and restart the matrix when with the architect, he wanted to continue the experience of imperfection, most probably because he had not found true love.

[ExploringTheMatrix]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Exactly, why bother envoking made up reactions to something of your own creation. Observe for sure, see the observation, but it's hardly worth emoting on a grand scale other than to sense growth. The only problem with this is that you move closer (back) to perfection and that was the whole point of the created reality, to experience imperfection.

Just a few questions here. Would you react because anything spoken is you speaking? I'm starting to look at things through the lens that when you or I speak, either way it's me speaking. Or should I just disregard everything said and only listen to the voice that speaks from emptiness?

Or even, when my ego speaks, that's me speaking too.

I'm still trying to sort out whether all of reality is a complete reflection of me, or if only my reactions are the reflection.

Originally Posted by Max Power

It's a fine line between knowing the truth, accepting the truth and dealing with the truth.

Indeed I couldn't have said it better myself

Originally Posted by Max Power

When Neo goes to the machine city, he knows how it's going to end, he's on his way back to perfection (physical death probably after finishing with the machines) and has chosen the path to end the experience. Everytime he choose not to go to the machine city and restart the matrix when with the architect, he wanted to continue the experience of imperfection, most probably because he had not found true love.

Is this the way we work? Or is that just a movie plotline? Does reaching perfection end this?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by ExploringTheMatrix

Just a few questions here. Would you react because anything spoken is you speaking? I'm starting to look at things through the lens that when you or I speak, either way it's me speaking. Or should I just disregard everything said and only listen to the voice that speaks from emptiness?

In the Matrix (movies) I don't think Neo realises it's all him until he makes the choice with the architect. He suspects all along that he's moving back to perfection, but want's the truth and the journey at the same time.

When you interact with anyone inside the container (my nifty new word to describe consciousness ) you have placed that peson there for a reason, usually to discover something about yourself. that's why there are many people in the container that you don't interact with, they are there for continuity reasons. People you interact with personally are versions of you all interacting for the overall improvement of the state of the container (consciousness) do you like to spend time with people you don't like? No, of course not, becasue they are unhelpful in the quest to improve the imperfect state of consciousness. You only ever really hang out with and enjoy the people who you sense are there to show you the missinig or hiden parts of you you need to integrate and/or enjoy.

I'm still trying to sort out whether all of reality is a complete reflection of me, or if only my reactions are the reflection.

All of reality is inside the container, you are the creator of and observation point of everything inside the container, so yes everything inside the container is you, you created everything and it's all you. Now some of it doesn't make any sense, but that is usually continuity stuff like random people, noise, cars driving past etc. it has purpose, but it's background filler to maintain the illusion of a full and dense reality.

Is this the way we work? Or is that just a movie plotline? Does reaching perfection end this?

I would imagine that when you're ready you will make a choice to end it and return to perfection, I would also imagine that you can then make another choice about what to create next. A lot like Neo restarting the Matrix 5 times, he keeps restarting it becasue he never experienced love, once he's done that he ends it properly.

Max

[Akashic_Librarian]

Ohh this thread is getting good now.

I think Neo's journey was like a metaphor for life. In the beginning he was clouded by fear, doubt and uncertainty. As the story progressed his resoltuino grew and grew until he faced The Machine Face. He spoke honestly. BECAUSE and here is my biggest revalation. He was blind. He was blind to Physical reality. So he saw the true nature of things (The City of Light)

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Ohh this thread is getting good now.

I think Neo's journey was like a metaphor for life. In the beginning he was clouded by fear, doubt and uncertainty. As the story progressed his resoltuino grew and grew until he faced The Machine Face. He spoke honestly. BECAUSE and here is my biggest revalation. He was blind. He was blind to Physical reality. So he saw the true nature of things (The City of Light)

Good thoughts AL, When he's blinded he sees the Matrix as he did when he got a taste for it in the end of the first movie, but it's not code now, it's light as he reaches perfection all the levels of illusion and perception are lifted.

I don't think he was ever blind to physical reality, he could see that was an imperfection and wondered why and/or was creating it, as the journey progresses he starts to see it for what it is and as he lifts all the denial, doubt and fear, his power increase. The best part is he doesn't need much thought or emotion to be very powerful, flying, stopping bullets, once he knows truth, everything just falls into place.

Another interesting part is when he stops the sentinals supposidly outside the Matrix

[Akashic_Librarian]

Mmm I think this idea of emotionlessness needs more thought and insight. because it seems to be quite important really. I can't remember who but someone said recently "Why react to anything you've created?" and i though...hmm yeah. Why should I react?

[Frans]

Maybe it's interesting to know that there is already a forum that is dedicated entirely to The Matrix:

X-matrix.net

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Frans

Maybe it's interesting to know that there is already a forum that is dedicated entirely to The Matrix:

X-matrix.net

Why would we want to go over there, everything and all the right people are here

PS Just checked it out and now have to check into an eye clinic, fluro green on black! Blah

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Mmm I think this idea of emotionlessness needs more thought and insight. because it seems to be quite important really. I can't remember who but someone said recently "Why react to anything you've created?" and i though...hmm yeah. Why should I react?

Just try and make some simple, now emotional choices and see what happens, don't emote, just place it inside the container, make it real inside consciousness and let it be, let it go. I find it quiet empowering to see things created without much effort, emotion and thought.

As Neo's power increases he doesn't get any more emotional, if anything he seems to choose more accturately, it becomes second nature.

I think Torlink somewhere may have said it, but don't quote me

Max

[ExploringTheMatrix]

Originally Posted by Max Power

When you interact with anyone inside the container (my nifty new word to describe consciousness ) you have placed that peson there for a reason, usually to discover something about yourself. that's why there are many people in the container that you don't interact with, they are there for continuity reasons. People you interact with personally are versions of you all interacting for the overall improvement of the state of the container (consciousness) do you like to spend time with people you don't like? No, of course not, becasue they are unhelpful in the quest to improve the imperfect state of consciousness. You only ever really hang out with and enjoy the people who you sense are there to show you the missinig or hiden parts of you you need to integrate and/or enjoy.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with that. What I'm attempting to do is move towards being able to enjoy anyone or anything in every moment. That is another form of perfection.

You may find that you can step outside the container. I've heard folks talk about this but haven't experienced it myself, so I don't know what that means exactly. Perhaps you should be able to jump outside your body and envelop the entire universe.

Originally Posted by Max Power

I would imagine that when you're ready you will make a choice to end it and return to perfection, I would also imagine that you can then make another choice about what to create next. A lot like Neo restarting the Matrix 5 times, he keeps restarting it becasue he never experienced love, once he's done that he ends it properly.

I wonder if the real quest is for a way to avoid perfection. To span the divide between knowing you can create it all, yet not knowing the outcome or being completely free.

This seems to be a common result after awakening. The person lives in perfection in a state of peace and bliss and doesn't create anything and allows the illusion to create itself. Every moment is a surprise because they negate Self and refuse to create. That whole thing about there is no doing/no doer. Things happen but there is just the illusion that you are doing them.

[Akashic_Librarian]

ExploringTheMatrix I understand what you mean when you say you want to be happy all the time. But what I amaiming for, and maybe Max is too, is finding that state where you can choose when you want to emote, and not. Happiness is not the best way to deal with ever situation you might want to experience. Not in my opinion.

[ExploringTheMatrix]

AL, I agree with what you're saying. I'm not aiming to be happy all the time, but rather experience an enjoyable existence. The tough decision (if there even is one) is whether I should just regard it all as an illusion, and be blissed out all day and disregard what enters my awareness or not. Why create at all and not just sit there and be all the time? Can't I just meditate 24-7 and experience continual bliss?

It seems that even once one is awakened to their true nature there are still moments of trouble, sadness, uncertainty, etc.

One thing I read last night that was a bit illuminating was, if another person is just an illusion or creation, why do I feel compassion. If the suffering is an illusion, who is it I'm feeling compassion for? If there's an accident on the side of the road, why do I call 911?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by ExploringTheMatrix

I wonder if the real quest is for a way to avoid perfection. To span the divide between knowing you can create it all, yet not knowing the outcome or being completely free.

Excellent EM! The real quest, the whole point is to experience (and maintain on a certain continuous level) imperfection. As consciousness we are perfect, but to appreciate that perfection, we create imperfection, which is the illuison of the container, the illusion of everything inside the container including even thought (a creation also) but the important part is, we can claw back some perfection powers at will. We'll never get them all back, hence the reason on one flys or manifests $10M in cash instantly, we do not want that, it spoils the experience, the illlusion.

The trick is to maintain the container and at the same time get back some of our perfect creation power while keeping everything stable.

Neo does this in the films. Look at his progression from scared little bunny, knowing some kind of hidden truth and in the end realising the full truth and accepting it. He actually finally makes the choice to end the container, the illusion and return to perfection.