If Poverty is the illusion...

[onespirit]

If poverty is the illusion and there is only abundance, then why are so many living the illusion? I wonder why we choose to continue the illusion? I also wonder if those of us who understand this, and desire change and from the questions and amounts of material on the subject of wealth, abundance, etc., I would like to hear your thoughts on how to shed the illusion I continue to share in. Thank you to all who answer.

[infinitethoughts]

Hey One,

Check this out.

[Max Power]

As poverty is an illusion of creation, so is abundance. To make the experience enjoyable you can't have one without the other and in fact you can't even understand abundance unless you have lack. You can't experience love unless you know or have hate and so on and so forth.

Enjoy!
Max Power

[Erin Pavlina]

Social conditioning and limiting beliefs often keep people in a state of poverty. If you want abundance you have to shed all beliefs that limit you. Shed the expectation of poverty and create the expectation of abundance.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by onespirit

I would like to hear your thoughts on how to shed the illusion I continue to share in.

The only illusion resides in the fact that some people believe that they can have something for nothing... when the reality is that there is no free lunch...

You want something...??? Work for it... Belief might help you but it will not do the work for you...

Read biographies of successful people and try to find one where someone succeeded without hard work... there ain't no such animal...

You can manifest... you can wish... you can pray... but if don't put in the necessary work and effort... you won't get anywhere...

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[Wandering Student]

It is quite easy to shed what you consider "the illusion" of poverty onespirit.

Change the company you keep. Hang around those enjoying abundance(rich people?) more than yourself. Change the circumstances in which you spend your wealth. If you end up broke at the first of the month and you do not enjoy this state, focus on spending to make yourself feel good, then others. Change your standards. To become abundant, requires very little, almost no conscious effort. The "work" that is assigned to you is usually for your own benefit, which eventually creates many connections for you. You can bypass this "work" if you wish and still become incredibly abundant, but it's like choosing to climb up a steep hill with your bare hands, rather than flying up to the top with a helicopter.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Wandering Student

It is quite easy to shed what you consider "the illusion" of poverty onespirit.

Change the company you keep. Hang around those enjoying abundance(rich people?) more than yourself. Change the circumstances in which you spend your wealth. If you end up broke at the first of the month and you do not enjoy this state, focus on spending to make yourself feel good, then others. Change your standards. To become abundant, requires very little, almost no conscious effort. The "work" that is assigned to you is usually for your own benefit, which eventually creates many connections for you. You can bypass this "work" if you wish and still become incredibly abundant, but it's like choosing to climb up a steep hill with your bare hands, rather than flying up to the top with a helicopter.

This is some nice rhetoric Wandering Student... however I would be interested to know if you have walked the walk before you did the talk...

In other words... tell us about your achievements... if it is so easy... you must have done it yourself... I would be interested to hear about it...

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[Shamou]

BTW Wandering Student... I just noticed the this was your first post... so welcome aboard... and hope you like it here... looking forward to your reply...

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[beautyscientist]

It is a good point you make about work Shamou. I haven't achieved anything without working at it.

[onespirit]

I am wondering why some still continue to believe hard work is the way? If that is your belief then so be it. But what if...one does not have to "work hard" to do anything? What if the hard work is done in the mind and well, the rest comes easy. Or is it your opinion that "nothing can come easy" which would then show me that your belief of easy is not in your vocab. Just wondering, Shamou??? Just for the record, my life is easy, I am looking to shed the illusion your continuing to hold on to. Just a thought.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by onespirit

Just for the record, my life is easy, I am looking to shed the illusion your continuing to hold on to. Just a thought.

Your life is easy... I am happy for you... but, do you have the abundance that you want... and, if so, did you achieve it without hard work... there lies the question...

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[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Shamou

The only illusion resides in the fact that some people believe that they can have something for nothing...
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Lol............!

Shamou, the only thing that exists is, nothingness. (Emptiness.)

The only truth (not illusion) resides in the fact that people are emptiness/Everythingness............continually and "neverending-ly"



Empty yourself and you'll see you are everything.
Get rid of your dead weight.

"Coughlin's Law; Bury the dead, they stink up the place."
Douglas 'Doug' Coughlin from Cocktail. 1988.

Un-learn everything you've been taught.

[Wandering Student]

Originally Posted by Shamou

This is some nice rhetoric Wandering Student... however I would be interested to know if you have walked the walk before you did the talk...

In other words... tell us about your achievements... if it is so easy... you must have done it yourself... I would be interested to hear about it...

The book Abduction to the 9th Planet, resonates with your quote(some may know it by a different name).

We've all talked and walked all that we could. This is why those who recognized this fact can talk without walking if they so choose. The only question I believe one should be asking is "Can we remember?" When one asks of further proof, aren't they demonstrating their lack of understanding what proof is already present? What is the purpose of asking for more if this is the case? Like the child who asks for more food, but cannot see that more than enough is already present on their plate. I will humor you.

I was born into a family of poverty. I shared in this poverty throughout my life, until I happened upon a good friend(s) by my own circumstances. He was prosperous, because of those before who helped him create the wealth he wields. Now he not only has that wealth, but the vibration necessary to create more, if he so chooses on a whim. It is extraordinary to witness such power, even moreso to recognize it. It is unfortunate that in many cases, those who wield great power are very ignorant of its mechanics, which is the case of this good friend.

The veil of this poverty was lifted, but I had not the vibration. So abundance came, but I was ill-equipped to capture it, like a child who tries to run before he can walk with their eyes closed, or one who tries to capture butterflies without proper coordination. Once I acquired the vibration necessary, abundance came to me, like wine into the glass of which it was intended to fill. I have not gotten well used to this power, however the gods have assigned me a test - to create wealth when it is perceived to be required under pressure. When you accept responsibility for your choice in paths, you will be assigned various tests, too... I wish everyone the best in passing them.

[Shamou]

Good post Wandering Student.. you claim to have been able to overcome poverty... you are to be commended for that... however I find this inconsequent with these two statements in your previous post...

Change your standards. To become abundant, requires very little, almost no conscious effort.

You can bypass this "work" if you wish and still become incredibly abundant,

I have yet to find anyone who did succeed without hard work involved... so, I find myself quite puzzled...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I have yet to find anyone who did succeed without hard work involved... so, I find myself quite puzzled...

Define hard work.

Max

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Define hard work.

Max

That an easy one... if you want to have "real success" you have to be totally consumed with passion for what ever it is that you are doing... and that is what I mean by hard work...

And, anyone who tells you that he can have a huge financial success without being totally consumed with passion for his work... is either talking through his hat... or is a snake oil salesman...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

That an easy one... if you want to have "real success" you have to be totally consumed with passion for what ever it is that you are doing... and that is what I mean by hard work...

And, anyone who tells you that he can have a huge financial success without being totally consumed with passion for his work... is either talking through his hat... or is a snake oil salesman...

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I'm not convinced that being totally consumed with passion is right and/or works, if it did, every passionate person who worked hard would be rich and that doesn't happen. The concept of hard work, passion and being consumed are wrong, albeit not absolute. Passion, emotions and thoughts are all creative??? No they are not, they are all creations of consciousness themselves and you can see they are when you create very easily with not much passion, emotion and/or thought.

This whole concept of positive thought, passion and correct emotions is an illusion, a social conditioning to make people feel better about their creative power, success and failure. We create through choice and choice is not emotive and/or thought. When you decide something to be so, it is so, then you build in all the thougths, emotions and passion and even the lenght and delay of time to experience growth.

We can fast track manifestaion if we admit we don't require growth or a certain level of growth to justify manifestation.

Enjoy!
Max Power
"I create, therfore I am"

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

I'm not convinced that being totally consumed with passion is right and/or works, if it did, every passionate person who worked hard would be rich and that doesn't happen. The concept of hard work, passion and being consumed are wrong, albeit not absolute. Passion, emotions and thoughts are all creative??? No they are not, they are all creations of consciousness themselves and you can see they are when you create very easily with not much passion, emotion and/or thought.

This whole concept of positive thought, passion and correct emotions is an illusion, a social conditioning to make people feel better about their creative power, success and failure. We create through choice and choice is not emotive and/or thought. When you decide something to be so, it is so, then you build in all the thougths, emotions and passion and even the lenght and delay of time to experience growth.

We can fast track manifestaion if we admit we don't require growth or a certain level of growth to justify manifestation.

Enjoy!
Max Power
"I create, therfore I am"

How about you read that post one more time and see if it makes sense to you... it certainly does not to me...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

How about you read that post one more time and see if it makes sense to you... it certainly does not to me...

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Why would I write a post that doesn't make sense to me?? I sense that if you can't understand it, then you think I can't, that's two different things

If you can't grasp it, that's fiine, just say so.

Max

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Why would I write a post that doesn't make sense to me?? I sense that if you can't understand it, then you think I can't, that's two different things

If you can't grasp it, that's fiine, just say so.

Max

I cannot grasp it because I cannot understand what you are saying... the whole thing is simply not coherent... maybe some other member can come along and explain it to me...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I cannot grasp it because I cannot understand what you are saying... the whole thing is simply not coherent... maybe some other member can come along and explain it to me...

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Okay here it is..............

You say that nothing can be successful without passion and hard work, I'm saying that those things are thought and emotion. Passion and hard work are creations, so are thought and emotion.

I'm saying you think you have to have those things to manifest other things, but that is a wrong perception.

Have you ever made something happen, been responsible for something with very little thought or emotion??

If you have, then you'll see that it is not the emotion, passion and thought that is doing the creating because they are also creations.

I've used small words and basic concepts, do you understand ? is it not more coherent for you now?

Okay here's the really easy simple version..............

You cannot and do not create with creations, if passion and emotions are creations (they are) then you can't and don't use them to create, they do not create. Creations don't create

Enjoy!
Max Power
"I create, therefore I am"

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

You cannot and do not create with creations, if passion and emotions are creations (they are) then you can't and don't use them to create, they do not create. Creations don't create

Your mom and dad got together and they created you... and you've been creating ever since... does that not shoot a hole in your theory...???

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[Lychee]

I am wondering why some still continue to believe hard work is the way? If that is your belief then so be it. But what if...one does not have to "work hard" to do anything? What if the hard work is done in the mind and well, the rest comes easy. Or is it your opinion that "nothing can come easy" which would then show me that your belief of easy is not in your vocab. Just wondering, Shamou???

Work is required. The mountain is steep and the closer you get to the top, the more difficult it gets. Why? That is the way life works. It tests you. None of the people who are in top today got to the top without persistence. The catch is that you have believe and have the right tools to work, you will be successful. Belief is not the only component; it must be matched with action. You can't enter a job thinking that you can coast your way through it withot doing anything and get paid a generous salary.

Just for the record, my life is easy, I am looking to shed the illusion your continuing to hold on to. Just a thought.

That's subjective. What does "easy" mean to you?

It all depends on what you want your life to be.

Once I acquired the vibration necessary, abundance came to me, like wine into the glass of which it was intended to fill.

How was that vibration acquired?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Your mom and dad got together and they created you... and you've been creating ever since... does that not shoot a hole in your theory...???

Hehe Unfortunatly for you, that is your theory Something created you, creates everything, next you'll be saying that there's a God out there somehwere answering your prayers.

To place any level of creation outside of yourself is a cop out and denial of true self. It means you only ever take responsibilty for things when they work are easy and/or convenient.

Choice creates, choice creates thought, emotion, time and your mom and dad You are that choice

Enjoy!
Max Power
"I create, therefore I am"

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Hehe Unfortunatly for you, that is your theory Something created you, creates everything, next you'll be saying that there's a God out there somehwere answering your prayers.

To place any level of creation outside of yourself is a cop out and denial of true self. It means you only ever take responsibilty for things when they work are easy and/or convenient.

Choice creates, choice creates thought, emotion, time and your mom and dad You are that choice

Enjoy!
Max Power
"I create, therefore I am"

That philosophy and and a buck will get you a cup of coffee in most Tim Horton...

If it floats your boat... why not...

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[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Shamou

That philosophy and and a buck will get you a cup of coffee in most Tim Horton...

If it floats your boat... why not...

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The real question is what is floating your boat?

Tell us how you see reality?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

The real question is what is floating your boat?

Tell us how you see reality?

Every time I walk into a brick wall... I see reality... I did not create that wall... someone else did... and, if I had any doubts about that... the pain would bring me back to earth...

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[AdamUK]

When i hear or read the word poverty it always makes me think of the starving in africa, are alot of you saying all they need to do is shed the illusion of poverty to survive? maybe im not understanding you all properly?.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Every time I walk into a brick wall... I see reality... I did not create that wall... someone else did... and, if I had any doubts about that... the pain would bring me back to earth...

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So you're saying the wall is solid?

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by AdamUK

When i hear or read the word poverty it always makes me think of the starving in africa, are alot of you saying all they need to do is shed the illusion of poverty to survive? maybe im not understanding you all properly?.

It seems to me that there are two kinds of poor in the world: those who are poor in a society filled with abundance and those who are poor in a society with little resources to share. I'd say that, for the former group, you can certainly achieve abundance by ridding yourself of the mindset that got you or is keeping you in your situation. For the latter group, escaping poverty would involve much more than that, probably requiring the collaborative efforts of many thousands or millions of people to bring about sweeping changes in the way things are done.

For this thread, I'd guess we're mostly talking about the former group.