Chance

[stroodle]

what if life is...a concept. and only in that way can it be properly analyzed or understood. the reason we have such difficulty understanding and grasping life, is because we are not a concept. we are individual and tanginble persons.

and only once we start to start to think in terms of a concept -rather than in science or stories passed on, or anything else 'developed by humans down here on earth -will we be able to get in touch with the 'concept' and have a greater understanding.


and what if one idea of what this 'concept of life' is....is Chance. there is no beginning or end, only infinity. and we are part of this particular 'chance', that we called life. i started reading 'imagining the 10th dimension' by Rob Bryanton, and i'm pretty sure this is covered in it. there's a great flash video on the author's website if you google the title.

[Shamou]

Hello stroodle...

Maybe you should get a better concept of what it is that you want to say before you post...

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[stroodle]

hahahaa

well i was 'out of my element' last night when i posted this

but maybe it'll make sense to someone

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by stroodle

hahahaa

well i was 'out of my element' last night when i posted this

but maybe it'll make sense to someone

You know what they say... "don't drink and drive... and don't smoke and posts..."

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[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Hello stroodle...

Maybe you should get a better concept of what it is that you want to say before you post...

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Maybe you should play catch up, Shamou

Makes perfect sense to me what stroodle is saying.

Sort of along the lines of Free your mind of what you've been taught.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Sort of along the lines of Free your mind of what you've been taught.

If you free your mind of what you have been taught... what are you left with...???

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[Matthew Shea]

Infinitethoughts, perhaps you could enlighten us? I think I can follow him up through the "concept" part, but I get completely lost on the "chance" part.

[stroodle]

Originally Posted by Matthew Shea

Infinitethoughts, perhaps you could enlighten us? I think I can follow him up through the "concept" part, but I get completely lost on the "chance" part.

the chance part was just a kind of related idea i had

what i mean is......

what if life is less of an object, but more of a 'concept'....the concept of chance. so if you start with nothing (or a 'negative infinity' as i like to think), the idea that an infinititly small particle grew into existence, then collided with another particle that grew into existence.....then BIG BANG....evolved into where we are now.

so everything that has happened was a path that 'chance' took. in an alternative 'universe' or life, there was no big bang but something completely different. so maye we're all just part of a CHANCE or 'route' that's part of 'infinity'.

hope that clarifies it a bit. my idea's got lots of 'plot holes' though, haha.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by stroodle

hope that clarifies it a bit. my idea's got lots of 'plot holes' though, haha.

I think that you should stick to subjects a little less complex than "life" as a concept... because, life is not a concept... it is a reality... so, the precept of your concept is faulty... and the conclusion of your proposition is simply nutty...

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[Matthew Shea]

Stroodle, that does help.

Shamou, I respectfully, but firmly disagree. I find this thread fascinating and would love to see it gain some more liveliness.

If you think about it, life is indeed a concept. It's an abstract idea by its very nature. It's indeed real, but you can't touch life or sense it in any conventional way outside of your consciousness, which is itself an abstract concept.

The idea of chance, the way your describe it, Stroodle, sounds like some of the concepts behind evolutionary theory. The idea that random chance is responsible for the specific combinations of matter that spawned the first life forms on this earth is essential to tying the Big Bang to life as we know it today.

[Maguru]

What deems an opinion ridiculous if it is not another opinion?

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by Maguru

What deems an opinion ridiculous if it is not another opinion?

Exactly. That's just my sig line, though, not part of the post itself.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Matthew Shea
If you think about it, life is indeed a concept.

Merriram Webster definition of concept: 1 : something conceived in the mind : THOUGHT, NOTION

So life is a thought... a notion...??? Could you explain that to me please...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

So life is a thought... a notion...??? Could you explain that to me please...

Life, your life, your physical reality is a creation of consciousness (you are that consciousness) thoughts, emotion, fellings, passion, everything like that are also a creation of consciousness.

Consciousness runs the whole show behind the scenes, while you think you are having a life, growing, enjoying the simulation. It's a cunning, clever and noodle baking illusion, very dense in it's appearance, but an illusion none the same.

Consciousness (you) choose to create your life, so I wouldn't say your life, your physical reality was a thought (for that is a creation also) I would say that your life is a choice, a conscious choice.

Do you want to sense consciousness? Ask youself this question? Where in your body are you exactly? You will then see you are not in your body, you are the body and everything you are aware of including the body you use.

Enjoy
Max Power
"I create, therefore I am"

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Maguru

What deems an opinion ridiculous if it is not another opinion?

Exactly, that is why we must have pain and suffering (while all is illusion) you must sense hate to know love, sadness to experience happiness and so on and so forth.

Truth is seeing all the opinions and choosing one

Enjoy!
Max Power
My Song

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by stroodle

and what if one idea of what this 'concept of life' is....is Chance. there is no beginning or end, only infinity. and we are part of this particular 'chance', that we called life.

The concept of life isn't chance, chance implies randomness and that (from my POV) is part of the choice of consciousness. I chose to have a physical existance and I need some rules, gravity, time, growth, chance, etc. Chance is just part of the created game (pun intended) and like all games it has rules, some can be bent, some broken.

Enjoy!
Max Power
"I create, therefore I am"

[Matthew Shea]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Merriram Webster definition of concept: 1 : something conceived in the mind : THOUGHT, NOTION

So life is a thought... a notion...??? Could you explain that to me please...

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"Life" is a word invented by a human being to describe something that is part of our reality here on earth. In that way, it is a concept. We could call it Bob or Sheila if we wanted, but the concept is the same: we are endowed with a consciousness that gives us intelligence and makes us greater than the sum of our parts.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Matthew Shea

"Life" is a word invented by a human being to describe something that is part of our reality here on earth.

If life is a reality... it cannot be a concept... (a concept is a thought or a notion) ...if you think that life is a thought a notion... you are in big trouble...

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[Matthew Shea]

Well, if it's true that a concept is entirely thought, and when you stop thinking, you stop living, how is life not a concept?

[jippykid]

I agree with Matthew. I certainly am able to appreciate whichever reality a being happens to find him or herself in, but if I'm understanding subjective reality correctly (which is a huge assumption) our sensual experiences (sight sound, touch, taste and smell, all of which help us to perceive those "tangible" things) are nothing more than synapses firing off in our brains. When we see the color red, we're really not seeing anything. Our brain informs us that our eyes have detected a color that we have been taught to associate as red, but what do we really see? I am touching my keyboard as I type. I believe this because I feel the keys beneath my fingers, and I'm able to look down and see the keyboard on top of my desk. When I think more on this, though, my brain is simply receiving signals from my fingertips, and my eyes again perceive a keyboard and that is translated into the reality which I perceive.

Humans are great a giving things labels. It helps us organize and compartmentalize, but in the end, we are a product of our thoughts. Our subconscious takes care of those repetative, menial tasks such as feeling a keyboard or seeing the words on a page, but when you break it down, the whole process is happening in your mind.

Slightly off topic, but important to me - Do any of you subjective reality gurus care to weigh in on whether or not I'm on the right path with SR?

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Shamou

If you free your mind of what you have been taught... what are you left with...???
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Something unteachable which you already have and are.

[jippykid]

I've been attempting to meditate lately. It been extremely difficult for me (due to adult ADD), but I'm learning something new each time I sit and try to clear my mind. For me, freeing myself from the tired, old associations I've grown accustomed to -because I had been born into a world operating systematically, is a way for me to truly understand this world and my place in it.

The way I see it, most of us grow up being taught that the world operates through various systems. There are systems for school, religion, driving, going to a concert, playing games, government, etc. These systems are put in place to make things run efficiently, and over time it is our natural inclination to assimilate. As I child, I naturally assimilated because I hadn't been exposed to much outside of the structure my parents created for me. Now that I'm an adult, I'm able to actually perceive the systems in place in our society. I'm able to evaluate them rationally, and now I get to choose which systems I'd like to be a part of.

Shamou - to answer your question "If you free your mind of what you have been taught... what are you left with...???" -When you free your mind, you're able to weed through the BS associations we all grew up with, and start fresh. It is only by first disassociating that I believe we're able to affect change and shape our reality.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Groundless

Something unteachable which you already have and are.

Do you mean the instinct...??? I do feel like gathering nuts in the fall...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

if you think that life is a thought a notion... you are in big trouble...

That's crazy talk! Why would I be in big trouble if I believed that life is a simple illusion of consciousness. Is God going to smite me? Will the universe disappear? Are you so afraid of what's out there (there's nothing it's all in here ) that you can't see that life, your human life ends and the true essence of you is eternal?

That is such a limiting way to think, oh and by the way, think about where you thoughts come from, there are creations too, creations of consciousness and you are that consciousness.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by jippykid

Slightly off topic, but important to me - Do any of you subjective reality gurus care to weigh in on whether or not I'm on the right path with SR?

Hey I'm a SR Guru I accept that challenge.

Everything about your physical reality is a creation and that also includes thought and emotion. Imagine consciousness is a vast being that doesn't think or emote. Now that may sound sad and lonely, but remember consciousnes is the creator, so unlimited eternal power doesn't need emotion or thought. Now you are that consciousness, not your mind/body, not your fellings/emotions/nerve endings/responses, but your true self is consiousness and you create everything you require to experience the physical reality you've decided to create and that includes everything including other people, but everything only in awareness if you are not aware of it, it doesn't exist.

So people think "cool, I'm god" no, that's ego talking, human ego and that is not consciousness. In Steve's versin or SR he says that consciousness uses thought to create, but I think that's incorrect for thoughts and emotions are creations themselves.

Consiousness is very poweful, vast and cunning creating machine (words often fail it, as you can see ) so cunning in fact it creates your body and everybody and everything on the fly instantaineously, but again only what is in it's awareness. True power is in choice, not thought, thought is a creation of choice which is the actual creative power.

If you want to sense consciousness, try to sense where you actually are. Where in your body are you? in your mind? No. Take a look around your reality and you'll see that you are everything in awarenesss. You are the tree, the road, the people, your body and everything in awarenesss. That's why it's important to be a good little being, for you improve the overal state of consciousness when you are.

You are not the statue of liberty until you bring it into your awareness. You are not a loved one until you bring them into your awareness. Awareness is the container for consciousness, there is nothing outside of it, no space, no time and even time is inside created by consciousness for the illusion of growth.

So there you have it, the true nature of your reality. Some SR proponents consider that consciousness can't be seen, but that's not true, for it is right there when you look to your reality, when you see the very created experience. You are consciousness, you are the observer and the observed.

The cunning part is the illusion that you are a body with hands and legs and a mind and thoughts, but if you truly look at the reality of your immediate surroundings with you in it, you can see the container, you can see consciousness and you can see that you are it.

[stroodle]

glad to see i've sparked some discussion

i went back to my initial post, and i think it's funny how i tried (how we all try) to put 'an explanation of life' into words.

i think we all have these complex visions inside of what life looks like (if it were to look like something), and when you zoom down from LIFE to 'humans using language' the message can get lost and watered-down.

does that make sense?

i enjoy hearing people's perspectives on life, especially because i never even questioned LIFE until a year ago. so i've kinda opened my eyes for the first time, and i have since spent every single day for over a year looking at everything in a completely new light.

i think the fact that we all have different points of view, just goes to show there is no right answer. nor is there supposed to be.