How many believe in God

[DaveTyler]

How many on here believe in God, Im not talking about the christian god but if ou believe in him thats ok too.

Just want to see how many believe the universe was made by a supreme being after all the SR and Matrix talk that has been around here.


Personally I believe God is ALL, nothing can be seperate from God. I believe we can be one with this God when all illusionary seperation dissapears (enlightenment).
I think all is divine and love. So basically even the ants that crawls in the ground , bites you and annoys the ************ out of you is divine and has as much right as you to live. Ofcourse this is going extreme but killing any life form with out itbeing nessascary is wrong I think

[Sunnybayes]

I believe in God as in the feeling in your body and your mind that let you become a high concious individual because it keeps you from forming high level thought patterns in the upper layers of your hierarchy.... and I know that does not make sense to any one... I wish I could explain it better, it is still a strong intuitive belief of mine, and that's why the talk about God is always spiritual because it is very difficult to describe the intuitive feeling that is in your body and brain that you label as god, you just hope to capture a word that can describe that intuitive feeling inside of you. And thus why arguments always come up, because there is no good way to define that intuitive feeling.

But my god is the physical feeling of good inside of you, that if and when you "believe" in god, makes you "feel" physically good inside of your body when you think about the concept of God.

And I also define god as the feeling that happens in your body that allows your mind to take on a new belief system, and also the feeling that guides you to do things that can be labeled as moral. Also the force inside your body to always be curious about your environment thus the drive to always seeking "The Truth". This is how I can see that this feeling happens when I am in a creative mode, and thus I can see what prophets meant when they were "inspired by god" when they wrote the bible.

And that's why there is so many religions in the world and throughout history, everyone who became "inspired" then tries to come up with a language to describe the rules that come about from "following" that intuitive feeling. So I guess then you could claim that there is just one god, and all "other" gods are just an approximation, becuase all humans are capable of feeling the same thing, just depending on where you are born determines what language you will acquire to describe that intuitive feeling. So I will argue that "believing in god", letting that feeling stay in you will let you become a strongly creative individual and lets you live a happy life because that feeling lets you stay "high concious" and always open to learning new things thus open to and always seeking the "Truth", and I've described that being creative is an awesomely fun process when you know how to do it right.

I've found this page that basically says some of the same things. How the bible was written

A quick page that the feeling of God is in your body:
God on the brain

Newberg's work suggests a neurological basis for what religion tries to generate.

Religious evolution

If brain function offers insight into how we experience religion, does it say anything about why we do? There is evidence that people with religious faith have longer, healthier lives. This hints at a survival benefit for religious people. Could we have evolved religious belief?

Prof Dawkins (who subscribes to evolution to explain human development) thinks there could be an evolutionary advantage, not to believing in god, but to having a brain with the capacity to believe in god. That such faith exists is a by-product of enhanced intelligence. Prof Ramachandran denies that finding out how the brain reacts to religion negates the value of belief. He feels that brain circuitry like that Persinger and Newberg have identified, could amount to an antenna to make us receptive to god. Bishop Sykes meanwhile, thinks religion has nothing to fear from this neuroscience. Science is about seeking to explain the world around us. For him at least, it can co-exist with faith.

Also this page:God and the Brain

Well for a physicists like me, understanding this is about the only way I can believe in a God, as so that is how I am able to accept Him. and not fight it so I can live a happy life.

And why I'm guessing that someone said to keep Sunday holy and not work so that you can take a break, refill your "social" tank so that it basically refills your "god" feeling tank so that you can be happy and be creative again. Here's what I mean by "social" tank.

SO basically I'm saying, there's no point in arguing if god exists, don't fight it, just believe in Him/Her/It and be happy about it.

[stroodle]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Personally I believe God is ALL, nothing can be seperate from God. I believe we can be one with this God when all illusionary seperation dissapears (enlightenment).

i agree. i think thats what becoming more aware does. it lets you see the misconception you previously held, that God is separate. i think the idea of 'a creator' is just an underdeveloped understanding of life. when you 'wake up' you realize we are part of something..beyond a creator.

[ginkgo]

Before someone can answer that they have to know what God is. It is a word in the English language. That is all it is. Each person imagines this word differently. All people can agree on is that they really know nothing about it but have lots of concepts and beliefs.

How many believe in the science of cosmology? What is a place like without time and space? Try to figure that out first. Also more importantly what are you? Do you have a purpose? If not then how come everything that everyone does and that you do is to make you happy? That is why you posted on this forum. It was an attempt to be happier.

Who does something with the goal to be sad or depressed? See the short article on this webpage called What is Enlightenment to find out what you are and how you can feel perfect peace and limitless happiness. People have beliefs about God but it does not make them happy, but happiness does make them happy.

[Cantando]

I believe in God as our loving Father and I have had occasional glimpses of his presence, which, for me, is enough to justify my faith. My belief has got nothing to do with rationalism, enlightenment or some advanced state of consciousness. Some poor, uneducated, old woman living in Eastern Europe who knows about pain and suffering is undoubtedly, in my view, a lot closer to God than any theoretician, philosopher or so called 'enlightened' individual.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Just want to see how many believe the universe was made by a supreme being after all the SR and Matrix talk that has been around here. Personally I believe God is ALL,

Dave,

Why did you not state this when you so fiercely, opposed SR??

Looking back I see now why we fought so much

Good luck, my friend, your true passion reveals itself and it's so very powerful

With honest respect.

Your friend,

Max

[Akashic_Librarian]

To quote White Zombie's song Grease, Paint and Monkey Brains:

If God is the dealer, why do we never win?

Just something to think about.


I don't believein a "God" I believe the universe is conscious only because it a projection of my own existance.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

I believe the universe is conscious only because it a projection of my own existance.

AL (it's too long to type and hard to spell, you should get a cool screen name like MAX POWER )

I think it's the other way around.

I believe my existance is a projection of consciousness.

There is no universe, there is no god and to say so, places total responsibility outside of true self, therefore you give up control, give up responsibility.

That's fine, whatever makes you happy, it's a life, so live it.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Enjoy!
Max Power
"Everyone loves Max Power"

[Akashic_Librarian]

But then you gotta ask. What is true self?

[DaveTyler]

But so what is different from GOD IS ALL and CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL.
If consciousness IS EVERYTHING it means EVERYTHING ALIVE IS CONSCIOUS.
Everything with a mind, thins and take descisions just like you.
World within is subjective, World without is objective but the subjective within is illusions, so if you find "god and truth(enlightenment)" within youll see the world as it truely is. GOD Divinity.
Im being teached by a enlightened guru and she tells me about her experiences of all form dissapear, all colors everything and you just see the divine energy in all. Clue with total enlightenment is losing the ego I that separates us all, which means bye bye mind. So its like cant really get enlightened with the mind cause ur not enlightened until u transcend ur mind... See?
So yes ur unborn and undying in spirit, but the I you refer to as "my universe" is illusion.. Reason I hated so much on SR is because Steve explained solipism not SR, he said there was ONLY YOUR REALITY, YOUR THOUGHTS, ITS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

So mixing ego and Godhead is retarded, ego can only take credit for his own doing, NOTHING else, andeven then its a illusion, its all God.
But thinking about it wont lead u no where, explaining enlightenment is like explaining colors to a blind person or sounds to a deaf. Its not possible. U cant put God in words, thats why the word God it self is wrong. Cause it has been limited by power sick fools

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

But then you gotta ask. What is true self?

Feel your life, feel everything, sense what drives you, why do you persist, why? Ask yourself why are you real, why continue with this perception, demand to know and you will begin to know, you will know, you will see.

Enjoy!
Max
"Don't think, know it"

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

But so what is different from GOD IS ALL and CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL.
If consciousness IS EVERYTHING it means EVERYTHING ALIVE IS CONSCIOUS.
Everything with a mind, thins and take descisions just like you.
World within is subjective, World without is objective but the subjective within is illusions, so if you find "god and truth(enlightenment)" within youll see the world as it truely is. GOD Divinity.
Im being teached by a enlightened guru and she tells me about her experiences of all form dissapear, all colors everything and you just see the divine energy in all. Clue with total enlightenment is losing the ego I that separates us all, which means bye bye mind. So its like cant really get enlightened with the mind cause ur not enlightened until u transcend ur mind... See?
So yes ur unborn and undying in spirit, but the I you refer to as "my universe" is illusion.. Reason I hated so much on SR is because Steve explained solipism not SR, he said there was ONLY YOUR REALITY, YOUR THOUGHTS, ITS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

So mixing ego and Godhead is retarded, ego can only take credit for his own doing, NOTHING else, andeven then its a illusion, its all God.
But thinking about it wont lead u no where, explaining enlightenment is like explaining colors to a blind person or sounds to a deaf. Its not possible. U cant put God in words, thats why the word God it self is wrong. Cause it has been limited by power sick fools

Dave,

Stop looking for anwers outside, slow down and look at your life, take a moment and see your life, see it as being everything without emotion, observe it honestly, don't judge it, dont argue, dont act, just observe.

Observation is creation

Enjoy!
Max
"Pure and true are you"

[DaveTyler]

Max Power I know were not on the same page but we're in the same book, so where does other people being like you come into the SR persective.

[Toine]

If God = all
and all = one

Then
subjective and objective = one
you and I = one
Max and David = one

And yet you disagree.

Perhaps

agree and disagree = one

Ok whatever.

[DaveTyler]

Your computer consists of hundreds of different parts still its one computer

oness doesnt mean sameness...

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Your computer consists of hundreds of different parts still its one computer

oness doesnt mean sameness...

Good reply Dave. Reminds me of the scripture reading about the body analogy - the body consisting of many parts. Each part is connected, but each one is unique and has its role to play in making the whole body function. The ear doesn't see and the eye doesn't hear, and neither of them is the whole body.

[SecretSeven]

I believe God exists, but I also believe that we are fooling ourselves when we think we know anything about God. I findit quite annoying when people talk about God as though they are best friends with him/her/it.

[DaveTyler]

Who has ever said anything about being best friendswith him, how are you so sure it is a HE/SHE anyway.
All im stating is that I believe firmly that God is good, love, peace bliss and what we all use ALL OUR LIFE, 24/7 NONSTOP(wheter you admit it to yourself or not)to achieve

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

How many on here believe in God, Im not talking about the christian god but if ou believe in him thats ok too.

Just want to see how many believe the universe was made by a supreme being after all the SR and Matrix talk that has been around here.


Personally I believe God is ALL, nothing can be seperate from God. I believe we can be one with this God when all illusionary seperation dissapears (enlightenment).
I think all is divine and love. So basically even the ants that crawls in the ground , bites you and annoys the ************ out of you is divine and has as much right as you to live. Ofcourse this is going extreme but killing any life form with out itbeing nessascary is wrong I think

I agree. I do believe in God, although I find It very difficult in our society sometimes, not to believe, but to talk about believing, because there are alot of secularly minded people I know who question the design theory, faith, and keep looking in other places to see the devine, when it's right under our noses, in my opinion. I often get spoken to in a condescending way as if there's something I don't know, just decause I don't agree with them, or that I'm stupid, so I just try not to talk about it as much. But yes, I believe in God, and not only that, but a personal one. One who I can pray to, one who created everything. I think that the definition of creation has been warped by people inorganisations who preach a certain syatem of ideologies.

Why should they speak for everyone who calls themself a creationist? As a matter of fact, why is "creationist" even a word? Because of this molding of the word creation into a systematic Ideology, we have people out there who believe in god, but say that they don't believe in creation because they don't believe in this systematic ideology, but the word creation just means create, which is different than what you find. I find it hard to simultaneously believe in God, but yet not believe in creation. That's like saying that God didn't create anything, that he's just there somewhere, like I'm God. All because of this overall creation ideology that's soppossed to debunk the theory of evolution. I personally believe about 85% of evolution. Biogenesis, abiogenesis, micro-evolution, macro-evolution, darwinian evolution, are all different things, and I believe in aspects of every one.

I don't believe however, that any of those evolutionary theories have anything to do whatsoever with weather or not anything was created by God. I believe that a frog can turn into a toad, I believe that a snake can grow legs and turn into a lizard. I believe that physically, life can be formed my non-living molecules in the dirt on land, and in the fungus in water. Now, does any of this debunk creationism? Only if creationism is tought that these things can't happen under their ideology, which is a crime, because I belive that creation dosen't take the place of anything, it's the study of how it happened, which shouldn't even touch the boarder of evolution at all. It gives a bad name to both, evolution shouldn't act like it debuks creation, and creation shouldn't act like it debunks evolution, because contrary to popular belief, the two have nothing to do with each other. If God said that he created the color green, and I find that green is created by the mixture of blue and yellow, that dosen't mean that blue and yellow, "instead of God" created green. Modern creationist will say that blue and yellow didn't create green, that God did, and they say this because evolutionist will say that God didn't create green, that blue and yellow did. They're both wrong. I have to re-define creationism the way it was meant, and should be, understood.

Creationism is the study that all life and matter was created by a divine entity, in any way, shape, or form. That's it. That's all it is. If you believe that evolution is one of the many works of God, then you're a creationist, and you believe in evolution. It's not soppossed to be "one or the other", although it's turned into that.

The thing that puzzles me that people say is this: Only religeous people think that evolution and creation can co-exist, or that only believers in God think that evolution and religeon can co exist.

Well, just like I tried to outline above, this is a result of that, and it dosen't make any sense when everything is put back into context. "only believers in God think that evolution and creation can co-exist?" well first of all, people who believe in creation belive in God, and chances are that it's pretty hard for someone to be an atheist but still believe in the creation of life, so that rules that out. Secondly, there are two types of people who believe that the two can't co-exist, atheists, and religeous dagma. Now, what I mean by religeous dagma dosen't mean the "extreme", it means create by hand or by direct cause. I think you would have to believe that to not believe in evolution. everyone else few and far betwee, I think can believe in aspects of them both, without any interference from the other, the way it should be.

-I believe in God because it's what makes the most sense to me.
-I believe in God because I believe that good is a creation, while evil is a digression
-I believe in God, not because I am unsatisfied with our world and yearn for something more
-I believe in God, not because I wan't the extremists to represent me and kill others in religion based wars
-I believe in God because it represents peace, not hate, although some turn it around
-I believe in God because I feel fulfilled after I pray
I-believe in God, because I believe that he is BEHIND all physical workings of the world, life, our bodies, and our minds. Not SUBSTITUTING them.
- I believe in God, not because I want everyone to abide by the laws of humanly misunderstood teachings of the Bible, but because I can hope that one day, everyone will realize that the true way is to live good without the fear of any law, which I believe is God's intentions
-I believe in God, not because I don't want or think that people can overcome their problems themself, but because I believe that faith is the prime discipline of success, in any way, which I believe that God is the ultimate faith.
-I believe in God, not because I want him to control people and make them a certain way, but because the real way is to live peacefully willingly, not forcefully.
-I believe in God not because I think he dosen't stop wars and death because he dosen't care, but because the evil that exists in this world is not a force of it's own, but just a mere digression of the force. That sin is not a "to do" list, that it is a desease. That the disobedience of good will halts creative processes and positive progression, and starts a digression of those creative and progressive forces to ultimate obscurity and to ultumately cause nothingness. That our free will lets us make this choice to have this possibility in this world, and so it must exist, and that our willfull embrace of the good in this world is indeed the ultimate embrace, more so than the embrace that would exist in a world that didn't have the possibility of darkness. That the willfull embrace of God is more powerfull than unwillfull, and that a world filled with the united willfull embrace of God would be the most powerfull of them all.

[Toine]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Your computer consists of hundreds of different parts still its one computer

oness doesnt mean sameness...

Point taken.

So you are saying we are all a PART of God? And when you disagree with someone about SR you are saying that they are saying we ARE God?

Just trying to get things clear here.

[Nwyvre]

God is the somewhat universal name we appear to give a power stronger then our combined selves. For some god is the very essence of life and yet for others it is mere energy, storage of collective memories, an all-encompassing entity that protects us from ourselves. God is whatever we feed into it/him/her.

I believe in a higher self, spiritual guides, negative and positive energies found in all things, multiple planes of existence, karma, that time and space can fold thus creating an end where a beginning has not been started, that the universe is endless and Earth is simply a place we are learning time management. All this I shove in the file cabinet I call God.

[ticktockclok]

God is an excuse, a replacement for not understanding.

So no, I don't believe in God.

[absvan]

I believe in God a.k.a Supreme Being - formless and timeless, the creator of universe....but has nothing to do directly with whats going on in the universe.

The same god, in order to experience the universe, manifests as objects which have time and form a.k.a objective reality.

So in other words knowing god is looking within yourself - knowing the real you (not the ego in you). Ego is that which identifies with form and time which is nothing but an illusion. Its like me watching a movie where I am the main character.

[Brutha]

As a matter of fact, why is "creationist" even a word?[...]Creationism is the study that all life and matter was created by a divine entity, in any way, shape, or form. That's it. That's all it is. If you believe that evolution is one of the many works of God, then you're a creationist, and you believe in evolution. It's not soppossed to be "one or the other", although it's turned into that.

Their are people who don't believe in Evolution. It is practical to have a word for them that distinguieshed them from other religious people.
Society agreed to use the word creationist to describe them.

The thing that puzzles me that people say is this: Only religeous people think that evolution and creation can co-exist, or that only believers in God think that evolution and religeon can co exist.

Who says that? I would think that there are more christians who believe that evolution and creation can't co-exist than their are atheists who do so.

In good old europe most religious people have accepted evolution. On contrast in the US their are a lot of religious people who think they have to fight it, because it threatens their faith.

@Nwyvre: Please use the standart fond size. It makes it difficult for of the older members of the forum to read your post otherwise.

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by Brutha

Their are people who don't believe in Evolution. It is practical to have a word for them that distinguieshed them from other religious people.
Society agreed to use the word creationist to describe them.
Who says that? I would think that there are more christians who believe that evolution and creation can't co-exist than their are atheists who do so.

In good old europe most religious people have accepted evolution. On contrast in the US their are a lot of religious people who think they have to fight it, because it threatens their faith.

@Nwyvre: Please use the standart fond size. It makes it difficult for of the older members of the forum to read your post otherwise.

Yeah, I undertstand you're first point, I just don't think nowadays that it's fair that the word creationist is used mostly to describe people who don't believe in evolution. I would still think, however, that as many Christians who belive that creationism and evolution can't co-exist that there are, that there would still be more atheists who believe that the two can't co-exist mainly because they don't believe in God. Therefor it would be difficult to believe that we were created from a divine entity, when they don't believe in a divine entity in the first place, so they wouldn't believe in creation, and so therefor, would only believe in evolition, not accepting any co-existance.

Alot of people, that I talk to, who are more often the subjects to some of my points than not, are ones who tell me that I only belive that evolution and creationism can co-exist because I believe in God. Pesuedopositions are never subjected to just one side of the agument, but both, but sometimes it's presented that way for the convienience of others. It's never subjected to just the so-called "uninformed", but also the so-called "informed". That's the point I was really trying to make, but I don't really think that the views of those people necessarily represent the views of other similar ideologies that people may have.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by ticktockclok

So no, I don't believe in God.

I am certain that He will be devastated when He reads this...

.

[beautyscientist]

I have never seen the slightest reason to believe in God. I find the Universe is such a wonderful and fascinating place, that it would be real let down if it turned out to be simply the creation of some kind of intelligence. It always makes me sad to hear of the death of someone like Jerry Falwell, to think he went through his whole life without realising what an amazing place he was living in and what an exquisite creation he really was.

[ticktockclok]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I am certain that He will be devastated when He reads this...

.

No he won't; he doesn't exist.

A Transcendent Being Cannot Be Omnipresent

1. If God exists, then he is transcendent (i.e., outside space and time).

1. If God exists, he is omnipresent.

1. To be transcendent, a being cannot exist anywhere in space.

1. To be omnipresent, a being must exist everywhere in space.

1. Hence it is impossible for a transcendent being to be omnipresence.

1. Therefore it is impossible for God to exist.

[AidanMatthews216]

Originally Posted by beautyscientist

I have never seen the slightest reason to believe in God. I find the Universe is such a wonderful and fascinating place, that it would be real let down if it turned out to be simply the creation of some kind of intelligence. It always makes me sad to hear of the death of someone like Jerry Falwell, to think he went through his whole life without realising what an amazing place he was living in and what an exquisite creation he really was.

Yes!!!! What's so wonderful about an omnipresent invisible Something when there are so many beautiful divine things going on right in front of you, in your cells, in the nerves of your mind, through the end of a telescope, or simply in an ant making its way through the dirt? THAT's my religion. If there's anything I worship it's the elegant way that the laws of the universe turn simple uninspiring parts into a beautiful complex whole. (Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one rendered speechless by some mathematical equations...)

[Lychee]

I have never seen the slightest reason to believe in God. I find the Universe is such a wonderful and fascinating place, that it would be real let down if it turned out to be simply the creation of some kind of intelligence.

How does there being an Intelligence/God detract from the fascinating characteristics of the universe?

Yes!!!! What's so wonderful about an omnipresent invisible Something when there are so many beautiful divine things going on right in front of you, in your cells, in the nerves of your mind, through the end of a telescope, or simply in an ant making its way through the dirt? THAT's my religion. If there's anything I worship it's the elegant way that the laws of the universe turn simple uninspiring parts into a beautiful complex whole. (Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one rendered speechless by some mathematical equations...)

The very existence of everything is a miracle. Again, science to some extent can explain how but can never explain why. We are all seeking the the answer to that question and God is the answer for many, while others choose to find answers in other things.