What's the perfect world to be like?

[Sunnybayes]

Hey guys, I've got a question.

Assume we had an infinite amount of time and resources, what would the perfect world be like?

I put in some guesses:
No crime, everyone is fed, no disease, everyone is happy.

Help me to put in some detail. I could think for an hour and give you a 10000 character essay on what I think about it, but then noone would respond to that because it takes too long to read.

I want to try to generalize our responses, into one concept that can be easily grasped intuitively in one thought.

[Shamou]

If you want to be truly happy... the world is already perfect such as it is... wishing for anything else in the "here and now" is the perfect recipe for dissatisfaction...

We all wish for the perfect world... and it is moving toward it... but, unfortunately... you and I will not see it in our lifetime... but, since we each have our own reality... seeing it as already being perfect is the best option for now...

Just my two cents worth though...

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[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Assume we had an infinite amount of time and resources, what would the perfect world be like?

1) You do have infinite time and resources.


This now moment goes on forever, as do you.

Don't believe the lie of a clock.

2) Change your question to what would my perfect world be like.

But then you ask, what about all the suffering in 'the' world?
The answer is Choice.

Ultimately.......everyone has a choice whether they want to suffer or not.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Ultimately.......everyone has a choice whether they want to suffer or not.

That is a very strong statement and I beg to differ with you... true there are professional "victims" who attract or even run after problems and unfortunate incidents and conditions... however, saying that everyone who is suffering chose that state is an untenable position...

Just an example... a child with abusive parents... did he or she chose that condition...???

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[Niki]

The perfect world is out there!

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Shamou

That is a very strong statement and I beg to differ with you... true there are professional "victims" who attract or even run after problems and unfortunate incidents and conditions... however, saying that everyone who is suffering chose that state is an untenable position...

Just an example... a child with abusive parents... did he or she chose that condition...???

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Before birth they did.

Why?
Who knows. Maybe they feel they need to practice forgiveness.
Maybe they want to set up certain conditions to make them a certain way later in life.
Who knows.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Niki

The perfect world is out there!

.....inside you.

[AdamUK]

They tried to make a perfect world in the matrix and humans could'nt handle it and went crazy!.

Give all humans the basic things they need cloths, food and a place to live. Teach children differently at school. To Be open minded and true selves, aware, see everyone as equal, meditation etc. and Kill homework. Sounds perfect.

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by AdamUK

They tried to make a perfect world in the matrix and humans could'nt handle it and went crazy!.

I'm curios, why do you think that they could not handle a perfect world? Are you saying that the perfect world is in fact an imperfect world?

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Niki

The perfect world is out there!

What do you mean by "out there"? Each of us can come up with our own interpretation of that phrase, but what is your interpretation of that phrase?

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Before birth they did.

Why?
Who knows. Maybe they feel they need to practice forgiveness.
Maybe they want to set up certain conditions to make them a certain way later in life.
Who knows.

How can you say that the individual chose before he was born? Are you saying that we unconsciously chose how our lives where going to be before we were born? Are you saying that if your life sucks it is because you unconsciously chose that you wanted your life to suck before you were born? Are you saying that we would purposely chose to have a crappy life?

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Before birth they did.

Why?
Who knows. Maybe they feel they need to practice forgiveness.
Maybe they want to set up certain conditions to make them a certain way later in life.
Who knows.

Lol. Poor baby, doesnt even think and people say they chose that condition.


No offense, but thats a too extreme SR and IM viewpoint. Seems kinda fundamentalist. But anyways, each one has it's own beliefs

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Sam988

Lol. Poor baby, doesnt even think and people say they chose that condition.


No offense, but thats a too extreme SR and IM viewpoint. Seems kinda fundamentalist. But anyways, each one has it's own beliefs

Well know I didn't say that the baby thinks did I?
I said before birth.

Energy never dies. It just changes.
You think you die. You don't.
You think you've been "born".

You've just lost your memory for awhile.

[Sunnybayes]

Ok. So no one is staying on topic. Help me brainstorm what the perfect world is people.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

How can you say that the individual chose before he was born? Are you saying that we unconsciously chose how our lives where going to be before we were born? Are you saying that if your life sucks it is because you unconsciously chose that you wanted your life to suck before you were born? Are you saying that we would purposely chose to have a crappy life?

They choose their experience in the moment. Since choice is not very conscious ATM, the unconscious is manifesting most of the time. Yes, and the consciousness chooses crappy circumstances! The consciousness that is you wants to experience many things, not all of them pleasant.

Originally Posted by Sam988

Lol. Poor baby, doesnt even think and people say they chose that condition.

Thought does not create, the consciousness does.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Ok. So no one is staying on topic. Help me brainstorm what the perfect world is people.

My perfect world is where everyone sees each other as reflections of self. And that knowing is present with every interaction between people and the planet.
The rest will work itself out.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Well know I didn't say that the baby thinks did I?
I said before birth.

Energy never dies. It just changes.
You think you die. You don't.
You think you've been "born".

You've just lost your memory for awhile.

I dont share the same opinion but its alright. Such kind of discussiong wouldnt have an end.

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Ok. So no one is staying on topic. Help me brainstorm what the perfect world is people.

Oh sorry

For me the perfect world is yet to come once we can create a superior artificial intelligence who will either put an end to humankind or get our world on order and make it perfect for us to live. Technology will advance in a faster pace than we've ever seen.

I cant really picture how this world is going to be, but certainly there will be no more hunger and no disease nor aging of the human body.

Humans will only die from accidents. And accidents will be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare. It will be like they will study our present time and wouldnt want to stay here even for a second for being afraid of suffering something. The same way we wouldnt want to go back to pre history for a lion could come out of nowhere and eat us alive.

Humans will expand outside earth. We will colonize new planets and turn their environment like the one from earth. Even better.

Now as i said, if we manage to create a superior AI, we will either get eventually to a perfect world, or it will be our end. Or maybe the machines put us in a matrix


This perfect world scenario isn't impossible. Look at this link and read the FAQ, its very good quality information:

ImmInst.org -> Singularity FAQ for Dummies

[Brutha]

I guess the question is, the perfect world for whom?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Well know I didn't say that the baby thinks did I?
I said before birth.

Energy never dies. It just changes.
You think you die. You don't.
You think you've been "born".

You've just lost your memory for awhile.

Good for you...

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[DaveTyler]

************ the double posting while editing

[DaveTyler]

here subjectivity comes in, since SR is really SP ,its all about who you ask, if you ask me Ill say "kill all industry live in oness with nature and animals. "
If you ask someone who wants wealth, he'll say "continue ruining the earth and kill ourselves eventually cause people like me want faster cars and bigger houses".

The robot scenario will never happen as the world will either go through some global enlightenment by then or humanity kills itself by the 2060. No worries.
by 2035 well be 10 billion people here on earth, there will be no more food for anyone, water crisis will happen, nuclear war. Only hope is enlightenment for everyone. OR atleast a big portion of the world so we all can live happily ever after.

[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

The robot scenario will never happen as the world will either go through some global enlightenment by then or humanity kills itself by the 2060. No worries.
by 2035 well be 10 billion people here on earth, there will be no more food for anyone, water crisis will happen, nuclear war. Only hope is enlightenment for everyone. OR atleast a big portion of the world so we all can live happily ever after.

So we have 28 years left to make a difference... check.

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

Ok. So no one is staying on topic. Help me brainstorm what the perfect world is people.

The perfect world is as it is. And it is.

Right now, right here, is exactly 100% as it should be. And so it is.

Look within you, see the one you really are.

Everyone is indeed on topic.

Energy never dies. It just changes.
You think you die. You don't.
You think you've been "born".
You've just lost your memory for awhile.

Indeed.

My perfect world is where everyone sees each other as reflections of self. And that knowing is present with every interaction between people and the planet.
The rest will work itself out.

Agreed. We are all self. There is no other. Everything is as it should be. There is no here or there. There is just "I am" Who is this I? Ask over and over and it is revealed that which you already are.

There is nothing to work out since everything is the way it should be.

[DaveTyler]

Haha, yeah something like that. Nah its not for me to say, maybe we got more , maybe less. we'll see if changes occr by the famous 2012

[SecretSeven]

The perfect world would be one filled with endless discoveries. We'd travel to distant planets and mingle with extraterestrials. We'd no longer be slaves to the 40 hour work week and the possiblities would be endless.

[The Universal Call]

Secret:
Yeah, all 6 billions of us would have every choice in the world, and so everything is consumed because everyone wants this product or that product, no more work so nothing can get done. Economy falls, the social infrastructure falls. Your idea seem to involve going back to the time when we were primates, then all were unconsciously happy, because they just were.

That is to be noted, like many else in here have said. Just god damn realize you ARE. I am, you are. "What am I?" is really not so relevant, and it is impossible to answer without bringing in the brain and its electrical network, so are the humans then our brains? Exactly, who can answer that question...
That question is unrelevant, like said - just realize that you are. Heck, the animals do it, they just are, without expectations and conditions and etc.

So anyway, to get back off-topic:
The IM thingy. Is people here trying to say that energy is unconscious? And that since it is, it makes the choice of being unhappy?
1. How can something unconscious (it sure ain't conscious, prove that) care what life it lives?
2. How can energy know human expectations and the definition of "unhappy".
3. How can energy effect how/when/where a baby is born (happy/unhappy)? I thought choice was a conscious feat (prove that it isn't). There cannot be choice in unconsciousness, because by its very definition it isn't then choice, hence energy cannot decide the future.

If any of you say that:
--Energy is unconscious, knows human values, and decides the future for its own benefit.
Then most certainly we are beginning to talk about God, and prove that fella. How can consciousness come without awareness? Energy simply were, is, and is gonna be - it doesn't make choices. Come on.. Ah well, please discuss this.

[Niki]

Originally Posted by Sunnybayes

What do you mean by "out there"? Each of us can come up with our own interpretation of that phrase, but what is your interpretation of that phrase?

That it exists, here and now. Heaven on earth. But when you want to have your own interpretation, be my guest.


People are looking/wondering what would need to happen to make the world a perfect place, all they need to change is themselves or there perception of their self..

like infinitethoughts corrected me, "It's inside you". if you then look outside, it's there too.

Most of the time I express myself not clear enough, and my sentences often look like gibberish I guess. When I comment something, most of the time it looks like (****) I'm sorry about that. I never had English @ school, because I failed so hard, and I quited school when I was old enough(18).

No I'm going back to school, I still have no English, but I'm improving my skills by reading English books, using this forum, etc...

I decided my knowledge of the English language will improve fast in the next years, because I really want to help/touch people with my words .

Happy greetings from Belgium

[Sunnybayes]

Hey thanks Niki, good luck

[Michael Chui]

Something I wrote back in 2003:

"The world is perfect. It really is. Everything is the way it should be; everyone is the way they should be. And the fact that people are still trying to make the world better just shows - in that paradoxically truthful way - that everything is the way it should be, that everyone is the way they should be, and that the world is perfect."

I still like it.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Michael Chui

Something I wrote back in 2003:

"The world is perfect. It really is. Everything is the way it should be; everyone is the way they should be. And the fact that people are still trying to make the world better just shows - in that paradoxically truthful way - that everything is the way it should be, that everyone is the way they should be, and that the world is perfect."

I still like it.

That is Zen in a nutshell... thank you for sharing it...

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