God has died

[El Gufo Pazzo]

God's use in this world's history has always been to keep order through believe in something bigger and though that role has diminished, in some corrupt places, it still helps out a little. And I guarantee that one day, it will become important again. Plus, it helps many people cope with the loss of a loved one. Sometimes athiests bug me because they say there's no use for God but in my eyes there most certainly is. I don't mind when people (not calling anyone out) are athiests but they're simply incorrect to say that God has no purpose in modern society.

[Michael Chui]

Originally Posted by El Gufo Pazzo

God's use in this world's history has always been to keep order through believe in something bigger

Do you include Discordians in this idea, or are they exempt? How about cults that worship Set, Loki, Bacchus, or Satan? Hail, Eris? 23!

[palimpsest]

Originally Posted by El Gufo Pazzo

God's use in this world's history has always been to keep order through believe in something bigger and though that role has diminished, in some corrupt places, it still helps out a little.

I've seen order kept well enough in secular places, and heard of some horrific corruption under the shadow of God. Atheists would say God has no importance in this world because He has no importance in their world -- presumptuous, yes, but how many of us remember that we can only ever speak for ourselves? Such paradigms are like... jawbreakers, banging against each other... and better to just agree to disagree, so shards of sugar won't go flying off into someone's eye on impact. Or discuss jawbreaker recipes, like here

[Old Soul]

He didn't mean you should all emulate him.

But he did recognise that we would have this same* ability, we too could climb the highest mountain of despair, we too could walk on water ( do the impossible), we too would/could and do have this same ability! I only argue the deffeniton of power, as to me that is "power"


>>>"Jesus" did this that or the other in a way his "Disciples" could not understand, but they saw the benefits.<<<

yes, from ordinary to "extra-ordinary"

I am pretty much with you on your view of Christ.... with exception of God, this is how I see it

In the old testement, God was external, out there... someone whom you had to try and figure out through the intellect, someone who was above you, someone who had power to you and over you....it is kind of like their "deffention" was not exsistant, or whatever the trend happened to be .... they believed in a "source" but they did not know exactly what the source was or consisted of, and like someone else pointed out, Babies needing a guiding hand..... someone to teach them how to live, and how not to live..... "you can do this but not that"!! in other words, someone to teach them their "do's and dont's"... the rituals performed int he old testement were bizzare, (burning babies). etc..new law after law after law they relied on mediums, seer's .divinations because all source / all knowledge was outside them selves..... hence the prophets revealing to them...
for every action / there is a reaction, for every law broken there was consequences you touch the stove/ I comanded you not to touch, you burn your hand, the ripple effect is this.......... if you eat of the tree, there is going to be a consequence so dont eat it...........

then Jesus comes , speaking a way of "God" ( notice he did not deny Gods exsistance" but he used it......) This to me is PURE brilliance!!!! For 1 thing, I think he was to smart to get caught up in the diversions.(Does he exist or does he not exsist ) endless , missing the point .., but at the same time he had to reveal the source because his truth says in knowing that "this source is "internal", and he had to be true to the source!! this confused/confounded some people, because while they said "hey what you talken about we have believed in God as our forefathers did (so to speak) Christ knew the souce was internal..

Now I interject your paragraph:

Instead you should KNOW yourself. Know the very way your molecules vibrate and move. Know how the wind blows and how the clouds move. Listen to the sound of a tree and feel everything as one. Then you will know that what you might call God, is nothing but self realization.

this is where I part company with what I was taught as a child in church, I was taught that mediums and psycics are evil... stay away!!!! But I do not see it that way, I see it as the "source" was not realised, yet...... (OT) ( Their deffention is/ was/ and always will be and come from "The Source" internal ( Christ had not come to reveal this yet)

all truth is in the source... God moved from external to internal (Christ teaches this) this is our defeniton.. our esteem , our worth our purpose , is in the source..
The Joy is in the realisation...( the source) Christ had it he knew it.... he taught it, he revealed it, he lived in it.. He worked with their fear.. they know longer needed to fear..... in the way they did then, but if you do fear.. fear that which can destroy your soul.... why?


this whole thing is PURE "GENIUS/ Madness".... i Love it!

[Old Soul]

In my experience in a very fundamental religion during my youth, I noticed that folks seemed to use the prospect of an afterlife in "heaven" as a way of allowing themselves to live at or near the poverty level in this life. Their "reward" was in heaven.

but the concept of heaven kept you wondering, pondering, as a child right?

I believe heaven is a state of being.... JOY!

[Old Soul]

"God is Dead" is going to do nothing but put anyone who believes in God on the defensive

I believe in God, and very much so actually... I actually find humor in the God is dead poems, and statements of belief

because for somone who is dead, he sure is getting alot of noteriety, and attention,,,,,

yeat again pure brilliance.... hehehe even in death he wins

[Matthew Shea]

LOL! I like your insight, Old Soul. That's a great way of looking at it.

[Old Soul]

you CANNOT use logic to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Agreed!!! totally

[Old Soul]

LOL! I like your insight, Old Soul. That's a great way of looking at it.

hehehe:-) Thankyou !