Hey, the consciousness may be something tangible

[songwriter]

There's a thread called "Is reality real" or so. I said there that Consciousness would not qualify as a "real" thing according the standard definition. Not tangible, etc. Ok.

If you exercise or not, if you get drugs or not, if you eat good food or not... that has effects over your consciousness besides than effects over your body.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's a new idea I've had. Consciousness maybe part of the body. If not how is affected by exercise? Maybe I'm misunderstading some things.
Well, if they cut your head, that surely would affect your consciousness... or at least it will make it go out of your body...

Maybe I'm a little tired because of many time in this board .

Do you know the story that the weight of a dead person is 37 grams lower than the weight of the same person just before dying.

Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not stating anything, just a possibility.

[Michelle]

You mean tangible as in an organ? Like the heart or liver?

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Michelle

You mean tangible as in an organ? Like the heart or liver?

Well, I've just had that idea going out of this board while playing a football game, don't take it too seriously... but sometimes the best ideas come when you don't look for them.

Well, you can do a medical transplant of the heart and it won't change your consciousness. Got to be in the brain, or at least in the head.

What about the pineal gland?

Pineal gland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The seat of the soul" for Descartes. The sixth chakra or third eye.

I think sometimes its development has been associated with intuition or phsychic habilities (high consciousness?).

The consciousness would not be the gland but in the gland. And if it goes out of your body when you die... it might be in a gas form maybe. I don't know.

What makes me think is if what happens to your body affects your consciousness or not. If so consciousness maybe something "physical", with a weight even.

[Athena]

very interesting,

I think of consciousness (mind) as a stable entity, but not in the same dimension as the physical body.

the mind has its own dimension--
think of how ESP, telepathy, and intention works-- the thought waves travel around the world, but not with any physical rules; they have their own set of rules in their own separate 'mind dimension.'

it helps to separate physical dimension from the thought dimension-- see that your BRAIN is only as big as your head, but your MIND extends as far as your imagination. your mind and thoughts project beyond the physical world. they are not subjects to the same laws as physical matter.

the 4 sectors of mind, body, heart, spirit, each have their own dimensions, though they are connected with channels between their junctions.
(like the pineal gland, would be where the connection between our own mind and body exists)


the way that changing the conditions of your body also affects your mind, its like, when you exercise, eat cleanly, are close to nature, etc, those have CLEARING effects-- it clears out stuff that is physical gunk that some people carry around, so that the access to your consciousness is clearer, get it? but your consciousness itself doesnt change, just how clearly you can access it.

and development and learning helps to access higher truths (think of Jung's theory of universal consciousness) there are some universal truths, that exist in higher channels, so when we access it through learning and development, we raise our consciousness, but its not actually changing itself, just changing positions. its like our minds swim up to higher levels of consciousness, as though the mind dimension is an ocean, by expanding our conscoiusness we simply move to the higher levels and float there.

so the consciousness is not a physical thing, but in its own dimension.

that's how I understand it right now.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Athena

very interesting,

I think of consciousness (mind) as a stable entity, but not in the same dimension as the physical body.

the mind has its own dimension--
think of how ESP, telepathy, and intention works-- the thought waves travel around the world, but not with any physical rules; they have their own set of rules in their own separate 'mind dimension.'

it helps to separate physical dimension from the thought dimension-- see that your BRAIN is only as big as your head, but your MIND extends as far as your imagination. your mind and thoughts project beyond the physical world. they are not subjects to the same laws as physical matter.

the 4 sectors of mind, body, heart, spirit, each have their own dimensions, though they are connected with channels between their junctions.
(like the pineal gland, would be where the connection between our own mind and body exists)


the way that changing the conditions of your body also affects your mind, its like, when you exercise, eat cleanly, are close to nature, etc, those have CLEARING effects-- it clears out stuff that is physical gunk that some people carry around, so that the access to your consciousness is clearer, get it? but your consciousness itself doesnt change, just how clearly you can access it.

and development and learning helps to access higher truths (think of Jung's theory of universal consciousness) there are some universal truths, that exist in higher channels, so when we access it through learning and development, we raise our consciousness, but its not actually changing itself, just changing positions. its like our minds swim up to higher levels of consciousness, as though the mind dimension is an ocean, by expanding our conscoiusness we simply move to the higher levels and float there.

so the consciousness is not a physical thing, but in its own dimension.

that's how I understand it right now.

Hey, I like your post very much. But let me play the devil's advocate role.
How can the access to consciousness be cleared or disturbed by physical/chemical things if consciousness is not a chemical/physical thing?
Well... as I think our consciousness is like our access to the Universal consciousness or so... (Our PC connected to the WWW).
I think of our consciousness as an "access", not as consciousness really. You may speed up your connection and that will change your access but not the Internet...
That's why consciousness may be something tangible... the third eye/pineal gland or so... the place where pro killers (at least in movies) use to shot...

[Matt]

Originally Posted by songwriter

Do you know the story that the weight of a dead person is 37 grams lower than the weight of the same person just before dying. .

That story is a myth. It turned out that it was never repeatable.

I believe the consciousness can exist outside the body, but I don't think it has a weight.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by songwriter

How can the access to consciousness be cleared or disturbed by physical/chemical things if consciousness is not a chemical/physical thing?

Just like cleaning the windows lets us access the SUN more clearly. The consciousness of our mind is inside, and by clearing out false beliefs of low consciousness and ego through development, and living cleanly through healthy physical regimen, the windows become cleaner, and we can better access in the sunlight for our minds (high consciousness, love, and enlightenment).

[Gert-Jan]

Originally Posted by Matt

That story is a myth. It turned out that it was never repeatable.

I believe the consciousness can exist outside the body, but I don't think it has a weight.

It wasn't really a myth, it was simply the oxygen that was still left in the lungs of the person dying, when the body relaxes after death the oxygen left the body.