The Rabbit Hole: will it never end?

[Maso]

In the context of spiritual learning:

Its like falling in a rabbit hole of possibilities, falling past all these outstretched arms or branches...wanting to be caught and getting tired of falling? But seeing so much more in the hole....

After getting excited about...life...again, through engageing in SR, through experimenting with hypnotism and talking to various people at various stages, and reading lots on the internet, and lots of books..constantly searching for a model to start practiceing, I have realized that..noone is "enlightened"...people provide answers to their questions that are interesting and...new to me..but none of them catch me..

Everyone identifies with thier ideas...none of them are..nothing...none of them are .... boundryless...arrrrgh I cant express this properly.

I have a few questions to run by those who are at a different place in the rabbit hole..

Is satisfaction with an idea an unatainable illusion?
Is there an Idea out there that...doesnt need to be learnt in order to satisfy me?
Im afraid of becoming unexcited. How can I stay strong in curiosity, while somehow doing away with the need to be satisfied with an answer?

Everytime I feel that conciousness/awareness part of me kick in because I stumbled across a new model or a new idea that seems to resonate, I seem to automatically discredit it by saying "no, dont be silly as if THATS the answer, thats just another idea", and slip back into a searching mode. I feel I will never find an answer...

Is that because there is NO ANSWER?

I feel like im getting close to something...close to a realizeation that...there is no end or answer? no idea that solves the questions?

...and thats fine?...eeeeeeeep!!!!


Someone TELL ME THIS IS FINE!! I think I know it is....but I almost dont want to know..becuase then ill be uninterested in it.

I should just enjoy the ride? Is it possible to stop trying to be satisfied with an idea? can I live that? can I live without answers?

Did I just answer my own questions? I think I need to do some excercise.

Sorry I ranted again.
This site is amazing...I get to work through my issues in writeing and hopefully have some nice clever people give me feedback.

Awesome.

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

I've been struggling with exactly this,its like thoughts from my head forming a thread....

I don't have an answer for you.

[Max Power]

All your life, you've felt it, like there's something wrong with the world.

It's a cool line from the Matrix and pretty much sums up how I've felt all my life too, I just hope I don't find out I've been in a pod all this time Seriously, that feeling of knowing something is wrong or that you are on the edge of something very important is common, just look at some of the posts all over this forum, from us crazy PD people

Maybe it's different for everyone, but all I know is that when the solution arrives or presents itself it will feel right. You won't discard it maybe like other concepts or ideas.

In the Matrix, even when Neo was freed, even shown how the world really was, he still wasn't convinced, he still fell. So I would say to don't expect the answer that will free you, will come wrapped in pretty paper and fully understandable and adoptable immediately, you'll get a feeling it's right, but not until you adopt it fully and try it out will it work or not.

Just remember to take the red pill or the blue pill?? Nuts!! I can never remember which one, D'oh!

Maximus Power

[Lychee]

Man will never be satisfied unless he learns to be content with what he has. But I think the desire for knowledge, or the insatiable desire for learning ideas is what makes us human. It depends on what you're looking for. People who are looking for worldly power are not the same as people who are seeking universal wisdom.

I think the main ingredient in many ideas (not all) which allows people to resonate with it is the presence of truth - however these truths are mixed in with false information. I believe we have a natural tendency to seek out and recognize Truth, but once that Truth is muddled in with ideas which are not truthful, we become confused.

The only thing that ever existed is Truth. As they say, darkness is the absence of light. Darkness is not a thing in itself. The existence of darkness is a consequence of the opposite of an established truth. Therefore, there must be an answer because a right answer is the recognition of an established truth. The universe is too structured for there to be no answer. Our ignorance of the answer is not evidence of the absence of an answer.

Many people go through their lives searching and searching and still don't come to reach an answer. Searching is only half the job; you have to end your search and rest comfortably with an answer. Only then will you get anything done. There has to be a limit to the questioning. Some people might question for the sake of questioning, or they might get so caught up in proving through logic that the questions lead to an infinite number of other questions. Where does that lead us? Isn't the whole point of searching to reach a conclusion?

[Maguru]

The motive for our questions is surely the search for truth. On a personal level, one cannot know some elses' truth, only one's own. When I ask a question of myself, I see how the answer affects me. If I feel at all smug, right or wrong, justified, self-righteous or angry, I think again. If I feel relieved and humbled, then I stick. A bit of humble pie is good for the soul. Regards, Maguru

[Maso]

Thank you all for your posts.

I had a turn around today... I have to eat more food and sleep more BEFORE I can use my head..

Im not really looking after myself....hm :P

I notice noone in this thread told me it was ok to think there is no answer...Thats interesting.


Does anyone think there is no answer? just interested to know....


In other words, does anyone think that "There really is nothing but what we decide there is". Can we build and live our own organic, ever changeing answer.

I dont write very articulately do I
Maso.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Maso

In the context of spiritual learning:
Its like falling in a rabbit hole of possibilities, falling past all these outstretched arms or branches...wanting to be caught and getting tired of falling? But seeing so much more in the hole....

I have also free fallen down that rabbit hole, out of control, on many occasions. Now, I am conceiving the possibility of not being in the rabbit hole at all. I am also conceiving the possibility of having a gun and waiting for the white rabbit to show. Which possibility I choose to manifest in reality is the interesting part. There comes a time when you have to scream out, "Enough is enough, I want out of here!"

[Groundless]

Originally Posted by Cantando

There comes a time when you have to scream out, "Enough is enough, I want out of here!"

I too have felt this before.

What if "here" really does not exist? You were never really "there".

[Groundless]

I have realized that..noone is "enlightened"...people provide answers to their questions that are interesting and...new to me..but none of them catch me..

Do you believe another person being enlightened should automatically "catch you"? Why?

Im afraid of becoming unexcited. How can I stay strong in curiosity, while somehow doing away with the need to be satisfied with an answer?

That which you are afraid of is attracted to you. What is there really to fear? What if you had no curiosity but were perfectly content? What is preventing your perfect contentment?

Everytime I feel that conciousness/awareness part of me kick in because I stumbled across a new model or a new idea that seems to resonate, I seem to automatically discredit it by saying "no, dont be silly as if THATS the answer, thats just another idea", and slip back into a searching mode. I feel I will never find an answer...

Why?

Someone TELL ME THIS IS FINE!! I think I know it is....but I almost dont want to know..becuase then ill be uninterested in it.

Ok. It is fine. Everything is exactly as it should be. (And it is.)

can I live without answers?

Can you?

[Akashic_Librarian]

This morning I was walking to school and for a minute acrtually more like a few seconds I just totally lost all my attachment to results, it was so weird I can't do it justice in words. It was total bliss, my whole body relaxed for a second and mind just went "ahhh" then i was back lol.


It was a neat experience

[mysterygal]

I have felt exactly the same way. Everytime I stumble upon a new idea, I feel like it's just an idea and nothing more. Most of these ideas are based on unprovable assumptions and claims. People come across information that resonates with them, they write about it...someone else likes that idea they write about it...and so on. But none of it is based on proof, or verifiable information. I think that we have SO many different faiths, religions and beliefs, because we lack understanding of "what's out there." In our desperation to find truth, we have created stories, but when is someone going to come along with proof?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

This morning I was walking to school and for a minute acrtually more like a few seconds I just totally lost all my attachment to results, it was so weird I can't do it justice in words. It was total bliss, my whole body relaxed for a second and mind just went "ahhh" then i was back lol.


It was a neat experience

That is a neat experience. And exactly the state of mind you need to find your way through that proverbial rabbit hole towards the truth you so crave. You will never find truth in words. When words resonate with you, they are not truth -- they are but the shadow of truth, a reflection of knowledge, which cannot be confined to paper, a digital screen, or even sound waves. You may not have the truth, but you do have tools at your disposal to get you there -- that incredibly strong lifeline called your intent. So set your intents high, my friend, and intend to know the truth. Not part of the truth, not a half truth, but the full truth, even if you don't like the answer. You can't be attatched to the outcome. Slowly but surely, the layers of the onion of knowledge will fall away before you, and what you seek will be revealed.

This plane we live on, is not a plane of knowing. But you don't get out of 3rd grade until you've learned all 3rd grade lessons. Then you go to 4th grade where the lessons are completely different. Good luck on your journey.

[Maguru]

I totally relate to the lack of proof amongst the myriad of stories. Blind faith isn't in my genes. I haven't heard of anyone parting the red sea lately, have you?

[Maguru]

The question of questions is why do we ask them? The logical answer is to learn the next step, whatever that step may be, and that is true. What is also true, is that from that answer we make an assessment. Whether it works or not? Whether we like it or not? The next truth is that we make a decision on our assessment. At the outcome of that decision, we assess ourselves, or more often and especially as children, someone else assesses us.
If you are wise you will agree with them and adhere towards convention. On the other hand, if you are not wise you ask another question or the same question, and the cycle begins again.
It is my observations (without proof) that I conclude, all questions lead to self awareness and self identity. Amen to that.

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by Maso

In other words, does anyone think that "There really is nothing but what we decide there is". Can we build and live our own organic, ever changeing answer.

That's exactly what I think! That's exactly what we do day-to-day, and what we've always done, and hopefully what we will continue to do for a long time to come.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Maso

Thank you all for your posts.
I notice noone in this thread told me it was ok to think there is no answer...Thats interesting.

Does anyone think there is no answer? just interested to know....

In other words, does anyone think that "There really is nothing but what we decide there is". Can we build and live our own organic, ever changeing answer.
Maso.

You will always be in the Rabbit Hole so as long as you continue to give undue importance to mind and consciousness.
In your 'infinite' mind, you create ideas about god and the nature of reality. You allow yourself to be led through mazes within mazes, tunnels within tunnels. Now and then you arrive somehere that seems nice and pretty and fun. There you experience some joy, 'Yippee, what a fun ride I'm having!". But it never lasts long. Soon you will be free falling again.
Once you 'stop' mind and consciousness, then you may experience yourself as 'soul' united to God. Even if it is just a brief glimpse, that is where the truth is, not on a roller-coaster ride through your imagination.
All things shall pass - and that includes all mind and consciousness. There may be intermediate 'heavenly kingdoms', where indeed the lion shall lie down with the lamb, but they also shall pass.

[JJH]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

This morning I was walking to school and for a minute acrtually more like a few seconds I just totally lost all my attachment to results, it was so weird I can't do it justice in words. It was total bliss, my whole body relaxed for a second and mind just went "ahhh" then i was back lol.


It was a neat experience

You might want to check out this thread,
ego-identity slip
and share more of your experiences maybe

[Maso]

Sweet, I got over that little hiccup, thanks for all your opinions.


I dont think words can describe this thing that I feel, and I dont think they need to...