CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions for Steve

[wstein]

CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions for Steve to find more growth starting next year

Give back a bit of what Steve gave to others,
Suggest some possibilities that he might have overlook and that you feel would benefit his further growth.

[wstein]

Steve, I suggest you work on releasing the burden of being in the ‘light’. Bending over to one side in an unbalanced way has not allowed you to be yourself.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by wstein

Steve, I suggest you work on releasing the burden of being in the ‘light’. Bending over to one side in an unbalanced way has not allowed you to be yourself.

Next year I'll focus on all-out brutality.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Savage

Next year I'll focus on all-out brutality.

Give me a call if you ever want to blow up some cacti in the desert.

[RonSouther]

I accidentally found Steve when searching for info on having an article based website, and that led me eventually to the forum.

But one of his blog entries talked about how to build a stronger ego and it didn't resonate. I sent him an email about it wondering what that has to do with personal development.

How to Build a Stronger Ego

His ego is failing him....And he thinks that a path to egolessness is just another dogma rather than a transforming process.

To me, he's stuck in his head. His farewell blog makes this forum sound like it was part of his pursuit of happiness and not his gift to his community. It's sounds like he's still pursuing happiness and is looking for the next great idea that he can pour himself into, hoping that it will be what he was looking for.

I don't think he knows that he's really looking for himself.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative and not constructive, but it all depends. To the ego, this sounds negative, but to a seeker, it's a mirror. From what I've read, I see a guy that sees a lot, but he's missing THE puzzle piece that will show him the paradoxial understanding that he's missing.

I'm appreciative for this forum and hope that at least it can remain online as closed threads. I don't understand closing it down if he's got plenty of mods to keep it going.

One thing that I've come to realize is that teacher's with a huge following probably are serving the ego and not working truly to set people free of it.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

I accidentally found Steve when searching for info on having an article based website, and that led me eventually to the forum.

But one of his blog entries talked about how to build a stronger ego and it didn't resonate. I sent him an email about it wondering what that has to do with personal development.

How to Build a Stronger Ego

His ego is failing him....And he thinks that a path to egolessness is just another dogma rather than a transforming process.

To me, he's stuck in his head. His farewell blog makes this forum sound like it was part of his pursuit of happiness and not his gift to his community. It's sounds like he's still pursuing happiness and is looking for the next great idea that he can pour himself into, hoping that it will be what he was looking for.

I don't think he knows that he's really looking for himself.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative and not constructive, but it all depends. To the ego, this sounds negative, but to a seeker, it's a mirror. From what I've read, I see a guy that sees a lot, but he's missing THE puzzle piece that will show him the paradoxial understanding that he's missing.

I'm appreciative for this forum and hope that at least it can remain online as closed threads. I don't understand closing it down if he's got plenty of mods to keep it going.

One thing that I've come to realize is that teacher's with a huge following probably are serving the ego and not working truly to set people free of it.

Lego my ego.

Doesn't sound negative, but it is a bit muddled. Simpler just to use the word ogre, which contains the word ego.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Savage

Lego my ego.

Doesn't sound negative, but it is a bit muddled. Simpler just to use the word ogre, which contains the word ego.

It is muddled because it's not black and white like the mind. It's illogical, but so is life.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

It is muddled because it's not black and white like the mind. It's illogical, but so is life.

That makes as much sense as something that doesn't.

[RonSouther]

Up until two and a half years ago, I kept saying to myself that there's something missing in my understanding of life. I could see the gap but I didn't know what it represented.

It's like a puzzle where the missing piece prevents the puzzle from being seen for what it is. That piece is the paradox of life. It isn't seen because in the process of thinking about it, it is hidden. It's revealed when thinking stops.

But lost in logical thought, life is seen through polarities. So if the ego isn't strong then it must be weak. The mind can't consider the possibility of it not existing at all.

[RonSouther]

I am blessed that through Steve's blog then the forum, I stumbled upon SBI. It's exactly what I was looking for but didn't know it existed. That's been transformational for me!

I've made some great friends on the forum and for that I am grateful as well!

[glow]

Originally Posted by wstein

CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions for Steve to find more growth starting next year

Give back a bit of what Steve gave to others,
Suggest some possibilities that he might have overlook and that you feel would benefit his further growth.

CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS? I think the best most people here can come up with is vague Possibilities for him, as most of us here hardly know him personally!
It would be impossible to guess what he might have overlooked!
Steve, have you looked into starting in Porn industry perhaps?

[Philemon]

I feel for Steve. Although I did debate what would be more fun - state my compassion, or just poke at Savage so I could enjoy the pleasure of him poking back.

So I'll guess I'll do both.

1.) Compassion: I teach adults at a career college, a lot of times about the mind, goal-setting, achievement, success and the like. Some days I think, why am i doing all of this for YOU. I have plenty I could be working on by myself, plenty of projects I'm putting on hold and standing here trying to convince you you're empowered, Why? I don't know. Go home. I quit.

2.) Hey Savage. Your strike at RonSouther sounds like an immature high school dude, suggesting someone needs to go get laid. You can do better. I'm not sure why you're carrying this animosity (you've always seemed blunt, not angry) I understand you're an "IDEA Man" That's what I'd call you anyway. Maybe try to get some rest and you won't be so snippy

[Arcanum]

One morning a couple of years ago, my lady Marie came into the living room and started pulling books off the bookshelf and throwing them on the floor. Every self help book, every 'make your life better' idea ever written. It took a little while but she was on a mission, so i sat and watched. When she was done, she turned to me and said:

"Yeah, I get it now. None of this works. Nothing anybody has ever come up with works. We all know that because we all keep doing it and watching everybody else do it. It works for a while and then it doesn't. Then we get another damn book or go to another damn seminar. The human way doesn't work!"

I started grinning and I couldn't stop. This was the turning point for her; one that most never get to their whole lives. The turning away from the next thing I can do to make myself happy. The next momentary satisfaction, the next long term goal. The beginning of the inevitable turning inward, hopefully not in a confused attempt to do battle with ego or mind, but to finally find out what in blazes is actually going on.

The last two years for her have been a wild ride of terrifying, heartbreaking insight, an unimagined depth of feeling, the end of insomnia, panic, vulnerability, high blood pressure, sickness and the settling in of a Peace that passes all understanding. It's not the wimpy, weakling ride that those on the roller coaster would have it appear. It takes an astounding courage and a willingness to see the truth at all cost. There aren't too many books written about it, really, because nobody even knows they want that until they've had their fill of 'personal development' and get very clear that "The human way doesn't work."

In many ways, this forum epitomizes what doesn't work, and yet the exploration is necessary and perfect, and it actually does seem to work for a while, but as Steve is slowly finding out, sooner or later everything fails to satisfy; everything must be burnt to ashes and left behind. It's a fitting end.

The freedom that is sought is the freedom from the seeking itself. This can be a very long road and involve a lot of sadness for those who aren't quick enough to get out of our way.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

One morning a couple of years ago, my lady Marie came into the living room and started pulling books off the bookshelf and throwing them on the floor. Every self help book, every 'make your life better' idea ever written. It took a little while but she was on a mission, so i sat and watched. When she was done, she turned to me and said:

"Yeah, I get it now. None of this works. Nothing anybody has ever come up with works. We all know that because we all keep doing it and watching everybody else do it. It works for a while and then it doesn't. Then we get another damn book or go to another damn seminar. The human way doesn't work!"

I started grinning and I couldn't stop. This was the turning point for her; one that most never get to their whole lives. The turning away from the next thing I can do to make myself happy. The next momentary satisfaction, the next long term goal. The beginning of the inevitable turning inward, hopefully not in a confused attempt to do battle with ego or mind, but to finally find out what in blazes is actually going on.

The last two years for her have been a wild ride of terrifying, heartbreaking insight, an unimagined depth of feeling, the end of insomnia, panic, vulnerability, high blood pressure, sickness and the settling in of a Peace that passes all understanding. It's not the wimpy, weakling ride that those on the roller coaster would have it appear. It takes an astounding courage and a willingness to see the truth at all cost. There aren't too many books written about it, really, because nobody even knows they want that until they've had their fill of 'personal development' and get very clear that "The human way doesn't work."

In many ways, this forum epitomizes what doesn't work, and yet the exploration is necessary and perfect, and it actually does seem to work for a while, but as Steve is slowly finding out, sooner or later everything fails to satisfy; everything must be burnt to ashes and left behind. It's a fitting end.

The freedom that is sought is the freedom from the seeking itself. This can be a very long road and involve a lot of sadness for those who aren't quick enough to get out of our way.

Outstanding......speaks for my experience....

[wstein]

Originally Posted by glow

CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS? I think the best most people here can come up with is vague Possibilities for him,

Probably true, this thread is for those few that can.

Originally Posted by glow

as most of us here hardly know him personally! It would be impossible to guess what he might have overlooked!

“Argue for your limitations...” Not impossible, just beyond most.

Disclosure: I don’t know him. I have only read a small portion of his writings. Still, his pattern is strong and his recent behavior quite revealing none the less. I claim no answers for him, just a suggestion.

[AngelPsychic444]

2.) Hey Savage. Your strike at RonSouther sounds like an immature high school dude, suggesting someone needs to go get laid. You can do better. I'm not sure why you're carrying this animosity (you've always seemed blunt, not angry) I understand you're an "IDEA Man" That's what I'd call you anyway. Maybe try to get some rest and you won't be so snippy

I got that same impression.