CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions for Steve

[wstein]

CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions for Steve to find more growth starting next year

Give back a bit of what Steve gave to others,
Suggest some possibilities that he might have overlook and that you feel would benefit his further growth.

[wstein]

Steve, I suggest you work on releasing the burden of being in the ‘light’. Bending over to one side in an unbalanced way has not allowed you to be yourself.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by wstein

Steve, I suggest you work on releasing the burden of being in the ‘light’. Bending over to one side in an unbalanced way has not allowed you to be yourself.

Next year I'll focus on all-out brutality.

[RonSouther]

I accidentally found Steve when searching for info on having an article based website, and that led me eventually to the forum.

But one of his blog entries talked about how to build a stronger ego and it didn't resonate. I sent him an email about it wondering what that has to do with personal development.

How to Build a Stronger Ego

His ego is failing him....And he thinks that a path to egolessness is just another dogma rather than a transforming process.

To me, he's stuck in his head. His farewell blog makes this forum sound like it was part of his pursuit of happiness and not his gift to his community. It's sounds like he's still pursuing happiness and is looking for the next great idea that he can pour himself into, hoping that it will be what he was looking for.

I don't think he knows that he's really looking for himself.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative and not constructive, but it all depends. To the ego, this sounds negative, but to a seeker, it's a mirror. From what I've read, I see a guy that sees a lot, but he's missing THE puzzle piece that will show him the paradoxial understanding that he's missing.

I'm appreciative for this forum and hope that at least it can remain online as closed threads. I don't understand closing it down if he's got plenty of mods to keep it going.

One thing that I've come to realize is that teacher's with a huge following probably are serving the ego and not working truly to set people free of it.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Savage

Next year I'll focus on all-out brutality.

Give me a call if you ever want to blow up some cacti in the desert.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

I accidentally found Steve when searching for info on having an article based website, and that led me eventually to the forum.

But one of his blog entries talked about how to build a stronger ego and it didn't resonate. I sent him an email about it wondering what that has to do with personal development.

How to Build a Stronger Ego

His ego is failing him....And he thinks that a path to egolessness is just another dogma rather than a transforming process.

To me, he's stuck in his head. His farewell blog makes this forum sound like it was part of his pursuit of happiness and not his gift to his community. It's sounds like he's still pursuing happiness and is looking for the next great idea that he can pour himself into, hoping that it will be what he was looking for.

I don't think he knows that he's really looking for himself.

I'm sorry if this sounds negative and not constructive, but it all depends. To the ego, this sounds negative, but to a seeker, it's a mirror. From what I've read, I see a guy that sees a lot, but he's missing THE puzzle piece that will show him the paradoxial understanding that he's missing.

I'm appreciative for this forum and hope that at least it can remain online as closed threads. I don't understand closing it down if he's got plenty of mods to keep it going.

One thing that I've come to realize is that teacher's with a huge following probably are serving the ego and not working truly to set people free of it.

Lego my ego.

Doesn't sound negative, but it is a bit muddled. Simpler just to use the word ogre, which contains the word ego.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Savage

Lego my ego.

Doesn't sound negative, but it is a bit muddled. Simpler just to use the word ogre, which contains the word ego.

It is muddled because it's not black and white like the mind. It's illogical, but so is life.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

It is muddled because it's not black and white like the mind. It's illogical, but so is life.

That makes as much sense as something that doesn't.

[VinceG]

Hehe, I love it when really spiritual/mystical types try to give hard-headed, practical people advice. Watching the mismatch in priorities just tickles me.

[RonSouther]

Up until two and a half years ago, I kept saying to myself that there's something missing in my understanding of life. I could see the gap but I didn't know what it represented.

It's like a puzzle where the missing piece prevents the puzzle from being seen for what it is. That piece is the paradox of life. It isn't seen because in the process of thinking about it, it is hidden. It's revealed when thinking stops.

But lost in logical thought, life is seen through polarities. So if the ego isn't strong then it must be weak. The mind can't consider the possibility of it not existing at all.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Savage

That makes as much sense as something that doesn't.

Right....that's my point, you live through ideas, through logic and you can't see past it. The idea of the forum wasn't "it' so time to try another idea, yet that idea hasn't gelled yet.

What's troubling is that a guy that still is searching is teaching others how to be happy. hmmmm......correct me if I'm wrong but the blog post about shutting down the forum gave me that impression.

[Savage]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

Right....that's my point, you live through ideas, through logic and you can't see past it. The idea of the forum wasn't "it' so time to try another idea, yet that idea hasn't gelled yet.

What's troubling is that a guy that still is searching is teaching others how to be happy. hmmmm......correct me if I'm wrong but the blog post about shutting down the forum gave me that impression.

Sounds like you grossly misunderstand my motivations. Why should I care if you're happy? That's your job. I don't teach happiness. If you want to be miserable, go for it. I may poke fun at you occasionally, but I won't stop you.

I started this website to explore personal growth. I'm not interested in preaching lessons set in stone but rather in sharing what I learn and experience along the way. If you think I'm a happiness teacher or some silliness like that, you must have me confused with someone who grew up in the 60s.

We really need to get you laid soon.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Savage

We really need to get you laid soon.

No issues in that department....

And since you brought it up...this is a great source for pipi pills...$1 each for Levitra! It's great because I can be my distracted ADHD self and not lose my mojo.....https://www.alldaychemist.com/suppli...d_supplier=460

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Savage

Sounds like you grossly misunderstand my motivations. Why should I care if you're happy? That's your job. I don't teach happiness. If you want to be miserable, go for it. I may poke fun at you occasionally, but I won't stop you.

I started this website to explore personal growth. I'm not interested in preaching lessons set in stone but rather in sharing what I learn and experience along the way. If you think I'm a happiness teacher or some silliness like that, you must have me confused with someone who grew up in the 60s.

We really need to get you laid soon.

I misunderstood the intent of the workshops? It's all about happiness....if people aren't happy with what they're taught, they won't come back. And they are not happy with their lives, so they try your ideas.

[AngelPsychic444]

It's like a puzzle where the missing piece prevents the puzzle from being seen for what it is. That piece is the paradox of life. It isn't seen because in the process of thinking about it, it is hidden. It's revealed when thinking stops.

I agree with you 100%!

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by AngelPsychic444

I agree with you 100%!

Yeah, another happy mystic!

[SireneB]

Originally Posted by Savage

We really need to get you laid soon.

There, that's the Steve I know and love. Have missed him around these parts!

[RonSouther]

I would be happy to host the forum....I participate to share. There are a lot of sections that aren't "me" but that doesn't bother me.

If it's possible to keep it going, I'm interested....

1350 posts in two months....I'm enjoying the community....

[RonSouther]

An awful lot of people are being helped here. I sincerely don't get the need to shut it down....Look for a successor, give it away, but shut it down?

I totally get the heart not being in it, but I don't see at all why that means to shut down the site. Is it a community of beings or just a thing that was tried?

[RonSouther]

I am blessed that through Steve's blog then the forum, I stumbled upon SBI. It's exactly what I was looking for but didn't know it existed. That's been transformational for me!

I've made some great friends on the forum and for that I am grateful as well!

[Merrick1]

Originally Posted by RonSouther

... the missing piece prevents the puzzle from being seen for what it is. That piece is the paradox of life. It isn't seen because in the process of thinking about it, it is hidden. It's revealed when thinking stops.

But lost in logical thought, life is seen through polarities. So if the ego isn't strong then it must be weak. The mind can't consider the possibility of it not existing at all.

Hi Ron,

you are suprising me. Until now it wouldn't have occured to me that we have anything in common. Simply because you are such a big promoter of Osho, who I do not rezonate with at all, although I must admit that his books are good (from the little I was willing to read from him). And I also believe that he knew what life is about. I have got friends who admire him but he is not the type of a teacher who would speak to my heart.

So, I'm very glad to see, in the last moments of this forum, that we have come to the same understanding, even though through such different paths. Thanks for sharing.

Merrick

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Merrick1

Hi Ron,

you are suprising me. Until now it wouldn't have occured to me that we have anything in common. Simply because you are such a big promoter of Osho, who I do not rezonate with at all, although I must admit that his books are good (from the little I was willing to read from him). And I also believe that he knew what life is about. I have got friends who admire him but he is not the type of a teacher who would speak to my heart.

So, I'm very glad to see, in the last moments of this forum, that we have come to the same understanding, even though through such different paths. Thanks for sharing.

Merrick

Thanks Merrick!

Definitely it's a matter of personal preference. Truth is one, paths are many. Osho definitely is a unique character and I can see where he would turn a lot of people off. It me a couple years to nail down his contradictory style, e.g., but when I started reading his very last discourses, he revealed all his methods and then the contradictions vaporized.

He was speaking to his own people that he could speak directly to and before he died, he wanted to "come clean" on his previous 30 years of talks. I've been fascinated to get the behind the scenes look at it all. There's two discourses. The first one is about 12,000 pages long and I'm almost done with it. The second one is that long too.

He was simply a master at speaking to the collective mind of each particular audience. All his "writings" are transcriptions of live talks and to each type of mind, he would speak in a way that kept their minds open so that he could talk to their hearts.

So in one book he's drooling over Jesus, but that is because he's speaking to Christians. There's a lot he liked about Jesus and much that he flat out said the guy was looney. But to tell that to the Christian mind would shut it down and he learned that he can't open up peoples eyes by directly telling his message. He looked for stuff in Jesus that he did agree with, then told Jesus's story but used his message as though that's what Jesus meant.

Then in other books to non-Christian groups he talked about Jesus openly as it wouldn't offend a Bhuddist or Hindu. But to those groups he talked up Buddha and Krishna. And that is a major source of his contradictory words.

The conditioned mind is minefield and he learned how to walk through it.

Osho was a genius with language. He's not my savior nor my hero. I simply am in sync with his message and his style fits with me totally. I see the learning process now, I see how the conscious mind works in daily life and I see how we corrupt it by repeating ideas, creating habitual thoughts that keeps us trapped in a mental prison. Seeing that, my confusion in life vaporized and in sharp clarity, I'm truly in a really good place that is not from a mind game, but from an absence of "mind" in terms of being confused all the time. I'm not confused anymore, but gaining a deeper clarity daily.

Thanks for the high-5!

Ron

[Merrick1]

Thank you too, Ron. I understand .

Merrick

[glow]

Originally Posted by wstein

CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions for Steve to find more growth starting next year

Give back a bit of what Steve gave to others,
Suggest some possibilities that he might have overlook and that you feel would benefit his further growth.

CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS? I think the best most people here can come up with is vague Possibilities for him, as most of us here hardly know him personally!
It would be impossible to guess what he might have overlooked!
Steve, have you looked into starting in Porn industry perhaps?

[Philemon]

I feel for Steve. Although I did debate what would be more fun - state my compassion, or just poke at Savage so I could enjoy the pleasure of him poking back.

So I'll guess I'll do both.

1.) Compassion: I teach adults at a career college, a lot of times about the mind, goal-setting, achievement, success and the like. Some days I think, why am i doing all of this for YOU. I have plenty I could be working on by myself, plenty of projects I'm putting on hold and standing here trying to convince you you're empowered, Why? I don't know. Go home. I quit.

2.) Hey Savage. Your strike at RonSouther sounds like an immature high school dude, suggesting someone needs to go get laid. You can do better. I'm not sure why you're carrying this animosity (you've always seemed blunt, not angry) I understand you're an "IDEA Man" That's what I'd call you anyway. Maybe try to get some rest and you won't be so snippy

[Arcanum]

One morning a couple of years ago, my lady Marie came into the living room and started pulling books off the bookshelf and throwing them on the floor. Every self help book, every 'make your life better' idea ever written. It took a little while but she was on a mission, so i sat and watched. When she was done, she turned to me and said:

"Yeah, I get it now. None of this works. Nothing anybody has ever come up with works. We all know that because we all keep doing it and watching everybody else do it. It works for a while and then it doesn't. Then we get another damn book or go to another damn seminar. The human way doesn't work!"

I started grinning and I couldn't stop. This was the turning point for her; one that most never get to their whole lives. The turning away from the next thing I can do to make myself happy. The next momentary satisfaction, the next long term goal. The beginning of the inevitable turning inward, hopefully not in a confused attempt to do battle with ego or mind, but to finally find out what in blazes is actually going on.

The last two years for her have been a wild ride of terrifying, heartbreaking insight, an unimagined depth of feeling, the end of insomnia, panic, vulnerability, high blood pressure, sickness and the settling in of a Peace that passes all understanding. It's not the wimpy, weakling ride that those on the roller coaster would have it appear. It takes an astounding courage and a willingness to see the truth at all cost. There aren't too many books written about it, really, because nobody even knows they want that until they've had their fill of 'personal development' and get very clear that "The human way doesn't work."

In many ways, this forum epitomizes what doesn't work, and yet the exploration is necessary and perfect, and it actually does seem to work for a while, but as Steve is slowly finding out, sooner or later everything fails to satisfy; everything must be burnt to ashes and left behind. It's a fitting end.

The freedom that is sought is the freedom from the seeking itself. This can be a very long road and involve a lot of sadness for those who aren't quick enough to get out of our way.

[wstein]

Originally Posted by glow

CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS? I think the best most people here can come up with is vague Possibilities for him,

Probably true, this thread is for those few that can.

Originally Posted by glow

as most of us here hardly know him personally! It would be impossible to guess what he might have overlooked!

“Argue for your limitations...” Not impossible, just beyond most.

Disclosure: I don’t know him. I have only read a small portion of his writings. Still, his pattern is strong and his recent behavior quite revealing none the less. I claim no answers for him, just a suggestion.

[AngelPsychic444]

2.) Hey Savage. Your strike at RonSouther sounds like an immature high school dude, suggesting someone needs to go get laid. You can do better. I'm not sure why you're carrying this animosity (you've always seemed blunt, not angry) I understand you're an "IDEA Man" That's what I'd call you anyway. Maybe try to get some rest and you won't be so snippy

I got that same impression.

[RonSouther]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

One morning a couple of years ago, my lady Marie came into the living room and started pulling books off the bookshelf and throwing them on the floor. Every self help book, every 'make your life better' idea ever written. It took a little while but she was on a mission, so i sat and watched. When she was done, she turned to me and said:

"Yeah, I get it now. None of this works. Nothing anybody has ever come up with works. We all know that because we all keep doing it and watching everybody else do it. It works for a while and then it doesn't. Then we get another damn book or go to another damn seminar. The human way doesn't work!"

I started grinning and I couldn't stop. This was the turning point for her; one that most never get to their whole lives. The turning away from the next thing I can do to make myself happy. The next momentary satisfaction, the next long term goal. The beginning of the inevitable turning inward, hopefully not in a confused attempt to do battle with ego or mind, but to finally find out what in blazes is actually going on.

The last two years for her have been a wild ride of terrifying, heartbreaking insight, an unimagined depth of feeling, the end of insomnia, panic, vulnerability, high blood pressure, sickness and the settling in of a Peace that passes all understanding. It's not the wimpy, weakling ride that those on the roller coaster would have it appear. It takes an astounding courage and a willingness to see the truth at all cost. There aren't too many books written about it, really, because nobody even knows they want that until they've had their fill of 'personal development' and get very clear that "The human way doesn't work."

In many ways, this forum epitomizes what doesn't work, and yet the exploration is necessary and perfect, and it actually does seem to work for a while, but as Steve is slowly finding out, sooner or later everything fails to satisfy; everything must be burnt to ashes and left behind. It's a fitting end.

The freedom that is sought is the freedom from the seeking itself. This can be a very long road and involve a lot of sadness for those who aren't quick enough to get out of our way.

Outstanding......speaks for my experience....