Alteternity.

[infinitethoughts]

The following is the natural state of beingness.

"....... on all sides of me were these divisions like a pie. And I could look down this one and see a certain future and then right over here another future and on and on. So this was alternity that I was sitting in. Now actually, unconsciously, we sit in alternity all the time, we have to or you wouldn't know how to get anywhere, right? But you don't know it."
John C. Lilly, M.D.

From Here to Alternity and Beyond

You move thru these divisions effortlessly, like fish move through water.
The fish is not aware of water, as most people aren't aware of these divisions.

The path thru these divisions depend on the socio-programming that a person has, in other words, they're thoughts and beliefs.

[infinitethoughts]

"DJB: You mean sitting in a place where you see all the infinite possibilities and pathways that can emerge from a particular point in space-time?

JOHN: I don't know if it's infinite. It's sure 360 degrees and each alternative reality was every two degrees or something like that. There were a hell of a lot of them and some that I couldn't ever imagine."

From Here to Alternity and Beyond

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

I've been there and was quite disturbed and overwhelmed. Haven't been there since but I look forward to returning, more courageous, free from fear, ready for the unknown, ready to be who I am. Thanks for sharing.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

I've been there and was quite disturbed and overwhelmed. Haven't been there since but I look forward to returning, more courageous, free from fear, ready for the unknown, ready to be who I am. Thanks for sharing.

DoAny.

You missed my point.

You're there in everyday life as well, not just aware of it.

The movement that your life takes, is unconsciously choosing the divisions.
You can do it consciously if you want.

Get what I mean?

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

I get what you are saying but I haven't been able to consciously get to that place, or consciously see and choose the divisions. I kinda just stumble into this stuff by accident, never quite sure how I got there or how to get back. I am well aware of my patterns and behavior and why I do the things I do. I am highly aware and I do not do many things "subconsciously" anymore.

[DaveTyler]

DoAnyOfYouExist, how did the meeting with that guy you met go?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

but I haven't been able to consciously get to that place, or consciously see and choose the divisions.

Right, right I see what you're saying.

This might help to fully explain where I'm coming from;
You don't 'see' these divisions, the same as a fish in water can't 'see' the water.

It's more..........~taking time to formulate the words~............it's more.................'knowing' that every second, 24 hours a day, there Divisions are availabe.

Example:
The sky is cloudy.
Knowing 360' around you, there are all these Divisions (lots of them !)......you effortlessly choose the Division where the sky is clearing, through thought.
Soon the sky clears.

[DaveTyler]

Wont happen wtf are you smokin crack:P
If theres 50 people under the same place as you your thoughts wont cause ************ other than distress and logic in your mind when you see u cant alter nature like thta

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Wont happen wtf are you smokin crack:P
If theres 50 people under the same place as you your thoughts wont cause ************ other than distress and logic in your mind when you see u cant alter nature like thta

I'm talking to DoAny, and right this second not interested in your input.

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Right, right I see what you're saying.

This might help to fully explain where I'm coming from;
You don't 'see' these divisions, the same as a fish in water can't 'see' the water.

It's more..........~taking time to formulate the words~............it's more.................'knowing' that every second, 24 hours a day, there Divisions are availabe.

Example:
The sky is cloudy.
Knowing 360' around you, there are all these Divisions (lots of them !)......you effortlessly choose the Division where the sky is clearing, through thought.
Soon the sky clears.

I get you 100% my friend, and I get you because I have 'seen' these divisions, seen the choices 360 degrees around 'myself' I have seen this visually as vivid if not more then the everyday life I live. I think this was neccessary for my ego self to go along with this. I had always been a hard proof kinda person up to these experiences and that is why I believe it was revealed to me so clear as day, how else could I believe it.

Now I am more open and accepting to any and all theories, practices, religions, people, etc, because I know how infinite this existince really is. I think my main problem now is that I have become hung up on expecting this to continue being such a vivid experience that I am begining to miss the subtle hints or something of this sort. The guru I spent a little time with told me to let go of these experiences, not to hold on to them, they were good, they were special, but not to hold on to them, not to expect it to be like this or be like that, then you are missing the infinite other chances, you can never get those experiences back. So I think I have gotten into a rut where I am expecting a certain thing and maybe I am missing the point now.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

I get you 100% my friend, and I get you because I have 'seen' these divisions, seen the choices 360 degrees around 'myself' I have seen this visually as vivid if not more then the everyday life I live.

You had an exceptional experience. (I've only read about it from John Lilly.)
Very cool !


But of course I'm sure at the time, it was pretty intense and out there.

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

So I think I have gotten into a rut where I am expecting a certain thing and maybe I am missing the point now.

Right.
Look at it this way.
You saw the guy operating the Wizard backstage like in the movie Wizard of Oz.

I'll tell you my goal, and maybe that will give help you.

I'm not interested in whatching the guy operate the ropes and pullies backstage, but I am interested in knowing "there's a guy doing this" and using this knowledge to experience and have fun in this existence.

Cause ultimately, that's why we're here.
We're not here to learn, cause we knew everything before we came 'here'.

We're on vacation from being infinite.

[JoeBlogs]

People have choices. We always have choices. What we choose effects our future...and?

I'm not understanding how this is anything more than a melodramatic way of describing the fact that we always have decisions to make. Which seems fairly obvious to me.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by JoeBlogs

People have choices. We always have choices. What we choose effects our future...and?

I'm not understanding how this is anything more than a melodramatic way of describing the fact that we always have decisions to make. Which seems fairly obvious to me.

I tend to agree with you there. There seem to be a few people around who dress up the totally obvious to be something apparently mind blowing, so that we all think, "WOW! Brilliant! Thanks for that, I never realized I could make choices before!"
What are these self-styled Infinite Beings doing that is any different to what every person on the planet is doing? Aren't they sat at a keyboard like the rest of us, filling in a bit of time?
We all make decisions, look at the options, and choose according to our level of awareness/ability/education, every single day of our lives, end of story. It's called living. So what's new!
It's just a load of arrant nonsense.
I think we should start a thread called "Pseud Watch".
Any suggestions?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Cantando

It's just a load of arrant nonsense.

Rigggggghtt.... a load of "arrant nonsense".
~~Rolling eyes~~

Cantando and JoeBlogs.
Either you chose to accept that at every interval, 24 hours a day, never ending.....you can chose almost any reality you want, or you don't.

What do I mean by this?

Let's say you have a terminal illness, I know you don't, but humor me for a sec.

Right this second, layed out before you, is any reality you want.
Literally, you have the option to chose that Slice of YOUR Infinity, where you DO NOT have this terminal illness.

The result?
You will quickly 'heal'. Quicker then is "medically acceptable".

Your girlfriend/boyfriend will be esctatic.
Your friends will be amazed.
Your doctor will scratch his head.
The hospital will write it off, as just "one of those things", a "medical annomaly".

Now you tell me, Cantando you still wanna start your stupid little "Pseud Watch" thread ?
Cause I'll rip it to shreds.

And, yeah Dude, I called it stupid, cause that's exactly what it is.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Rigggggghtt.... a load of "arrant nonsense".
~~Rolling eyes~~

Cantando and JoeBlogs.
Either you chose to accept that at every interval, 24 hours a day, never ending.....you can chose almost any reality you want, or you don't.

What do I mean by this?

Let's say you have a terminal illness, I know you don't, but humor me for a sec.

Right this second, layed out before you, is any reality you want.
Literally, you have the option to chose that Slice of YOUR Infinity, where you DO NOT have this terminal illness.

The result?
You will quickly 'heal'. Quicker then is "medically acceptable".

Your girlfriend/boyfriend will be esctatic.
Your friends will be amazed.
Your doctor will scratch his head.
The hospital will write it off, as just "one of those things", a "medical annomaly".

Now you tell me, Cantando you still wanna start your stupid little "Pseud Watch" thread ?
Cause I'll rip it to shreds.

And, yeah Dude, I called it stupid, cause that's exactly what it is.

I apologize for that. It was indiscreet and childish.
But, out of an infinity of possible choices, you 'chose' to have my particular response. It's what you wanted!
Yes, some people do spontaneously heal and many (sadly) don't, despite all the different therapies they try. I don't know if it's down to choice. I personally think prayers and divine intervention have something to do with it.

If I chose to win the lottery, it would not happen.
If I chose to cure cancer tomorrow, it would not happen.
If I chose to grow my hair back, it would not happen.
If I chose to fly to the moon tomorrow, it would not happen.
If I chose to turn into a frog, it would not happen.

If I am missing something here, could you please enlighten me?
Or, if you think I am too thick to get it, fair enough, let's leave it at that.

[JoeBlogs]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Rigggggghtt.... a load of "arrant nonsense".
~~Rolling eyes~~

Cantando and JoeBlogs.
Either you chose to accept that at every interval, 24 hours a day, never ending.....you can chose almost any reality you want, or you don't.

I don't.

I thought this thread was about the fact that at any particular moment we are surrounded by choices, 360 degrees of choices if you want to display it graphically as suggested in this thread, in which case it seemed blindingly obvious, hence my original post.
I don't see how relating my available choices at any given moment to a 360 degree circle of paths which will lead me in different directions is anything particularly interesting.
Of course I always have choices and of course what I choose will affect my future (to varying degrees).

However, you now seem to be saying that the thread suggests I have an infinite number of choices at any given moment. Literally that I can choose *anything*.
If this is the case then I missed this point earlier and now instead of thinking the thread is blindingly obvious, I think it's blindingly stupid.

I do not have an infinite number of choices at any moment. There are impossible things which I cannot do.

And if I had a terminal illness, curing it would be one of them. As someone close to me recently died of cancer I find your example disgusting to be honest as this person could not have decided to "choose a slice of their infinity" (or for that matter any other spiritual bull crap such as changing their frequency, plucking their cosmic strings, massaging their aura of enlightenment, communicating with the cosmic light of the soul, listening to the astral voice of nature, getting in touch with their inner mongoose,...or any other cliched, baseless nonesense....but that's another topic).

I certainly hope that you never get a terminal illness and have to find out that you're in fact surrounded by 360 degrees of one path: an early death.

Now excuse me, I have to go chat with my spirit guide about harmonising the levels of my chi.

(Sorry if this reply seems rude. But your example angered me and set me off on a bit of a rant.)

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I apologize for that. It was indiscreet and childish.
But, out of an infinity of possible choices, you 'chose' to have my particular response. It's what you wanted!

Absolutel, Cantando. I agree......seems it's exactly what I wanted.

Originally Posted by Cantando

I don't know if it's down to choice. I personally think prayers and divine intervention have something to do with it.

The problem is each persons worldview. You have your particular worldview, and this I respect.

But to lead a magical and miraculous life, unfortunately your particular worldview is in the way.

As an example, I view existance 24/7 (actually not quite, but getting there) as being able to choose, at any time, from infinity.

SIDE NOTE: A person's developement, decides to what degree they can choose from infinity. (Addressing your shape shifting points in your post.)

But, when a person's development is there, shape shifting is as easy as breathing. In fact easier !
Because this is your natural state........choosing constantly from infinite realities.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by JoeBlogs

saying that the thread suggests I have an infinite number of choices at any given moment. Literally that I can choose *anything*.
If this is the case then I missed this point earlier and now instead of thinking the thread is blindingly obvious, I think it's blindingly stupid.

"Blindingly stupid", huh?
Uhhh....thanks for the "compliment".... maybe I'll return it back to you one day.

Originally Posted by JoeBlogs

I do not have an infinite number of choices at any moment. There are impossible things which I cannot do.

I've addressed this issue in my reply to Cantando.

"SIDE NOTE: A person's developement, decides to what degree they can choose from infinity. (Addressing your shape shifting points in your post.)

But, when a person's development is there, shape shifting is as easy as breathing. In fact easier !
Because this is your natural state........choosing constantly from infinite realities."

Oh and Joe? Do me a huge favor. Why not simply discuss this topic maturely and intelligently and not stoop down and use words like "melodramatic" and "stupid".

It's irritating as hell to discuss ideas from that level.

[JoeBlogs]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

"Blindingly stupid", huh?
Oh and Joe? Do me a huge favor. Why not simply discuss this topic maturely and intelligently and not stoop down and use words like "melodramatic" and "stupid".

It's irritating as hell to discuss ideas from that level.

I can only assume you're deliberately trying to aggrevate people, I have made sensible points and am open to a sensible discussion, whilst you entered this thread with an aggresive attitude and seem incapable of debating rather than arguing.

Also, the first person to use the word "stupid" in this thread? You.

As for the word "melodramatic", it makes perfect sense in that context. I thought that people were merely representing our everyday choices with a "360 degree wheel around us" and a long article. This would be a melodramatic way of phrasing a rather mundane issue.

[Bruce Achterberg]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to take a moment to mention a few things that I'd like you to be mindful of when making posts:

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Just in case you don't remember what they are, here's a link to the forum rules. Why should you be mindful of the forum rules? Well, firstly, when you signed up to this forum you agreed to be. Secondly, consider something Steve said in his blog when he first announced that a forum was in the works for his site:

I want these forums to become a high-quality resource for people who genuinely want to help each other grow. [...] This won’t be a place for unrestrained free speech, but it will be a place where you can discuss important topics intelligently and make like-minded friends. I don’t care whether forum members agree or disagree with my personal views — I don’t always agree with me anyway. I want the forums to be a place for sharing ideas, advice, and stories; helping each other grow; enjoying stimulating conversation; and making new friends. And of course plenty of laughs are welcome too.

What does the quote have to do with anything? I'd like to leave you to ponder such things. Think of the quote as "food for thought". If anything, consider how you might come in with what Steve was talking about in the above quote.

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The way you express yourself is equally important as what you are expressing when making a post or thread. In communications theory, the message is not actually what the sender is trying to send, it’s only what the receiver interprets it to be. Using that logic and the ideas from Steve’s article, The Medium vs. the Message, what you are trying to say in your posts/threads (the message) needs to be transmitted via a suitable medium. For example, consider the following statements:

1) You suck and need to get better.

2) I definitely enjoyed reading your article and find humour to be one of your strengths, however I believe if you improved your vocabulary you would more effectively reach your target audience.

Both #1 and #2 express the same message, but it is likely they would both be interpreted very differently. Most people would probably ignore or get offended by #1, while most people would probably find #2 to be helpful. What makes them different? The answer is the medium. Neither are “good" or “bad”, “right” or “wrong” -- it's just that some ways of doing things are more effective/suitable in certain situations then others (ie. you don't use a hammer to unscrew something. That doesn't make the hammer “bad” or “wrong”, it just means that another tool -- a screwdriver -- is more effective in that particular scenario).

Likewise, when posting on the forums, some ways of writing and the particular wording you use (which is actually the medium) are more effective then others, and in this example, this is clearly the case. So when you are writing posts, keep in mind both the message (what you want to say and why you want to say it) as well as the medium (how you say what you want to say, which is dependent on how you write your post, ie. the wording you use, the tone, the style, the format, etc).

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While people can “have” ideas, concepts, perspectives, or beliefs, people are not defined by these things. All those things may come and go, but the person who “has” those things generally remains. So instead of taking a baseball bat to your “TV”, or telling it that it’s wrong until your throat is hoarse, I’d recommend you choose option three and simply change the channel. Try to remember that when you are “watching” the forums and you find a “channel” you don’t like.

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[jasonivers]

Originally Posted by infinitethoughts

Let's say you have a terminal illness, I know you don't, but humor me for a sec.

Right this second, layed out before you, is any reality you want.
Literally, you have the option to chose that Slice of YOUR Infinity, where you DO NOT have this terminal illness.

The result?
You will quickly 'heal'. Quicker then is "medically acceptable".

If you actually have the ability to choose whatever slice of infinity you wish, why is it "You will quickly heal" rather than "You will instantly heal", or are you implying that I would choose to take time to heal from a terminal illness, rather than have it instantly gone? Or is not an instant choice of realities, but a choice of directions towards a destination reality?

[ExploringTheMatrix]

Originally Posted by jasonivers

If you actually have the ability to choose whatever slice of infinity you wish, why is it "You will quickly heal" rather than "You will instantly heal", or are you implying that I would choose to take time to heal from a terminal illness, rather than have it instantly gone? Or is not an instant choice of realities, but a choice of directions towards a destination reality?

Queue Max Power music. Part of this reality is a transition period. You want to allow for different explanations. If you had the right tools/beliefs/whatever instant healing might be possible (take for example the miraculous types of healings that are reported in the Bible). I'll do some tests the next time I have a chance to work with somebody that's sick and see if/how fast I can fix them up

Part of the way this universe works is that things take time. The more you bend the rules, the less real the universe becomes. So ask yourself if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by ExploringTheMatrix

Queue Max Power music

I have my own music??? What would that sound like EMT?

Maybe like this
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/download...c/maxpower.mp3

[jasonivers]

Originally Posted by ExploringTheMatrix

Part of the way this universe works is that things take time. The more you bend the rules, the less real the universe becomes. So ask yourself if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.

What does "less real" mean? And what rules? Who established them? Even granted that there are rules, established by someone outside of me (and I DO actually believe that), how do you know which thing is bending the rules more? And I don't understand how the universe can become less real... whatever the universe is, that IS reality... how can you possibly be more or less what you are? That's kind of like saying the more I change, the less "me" I become. I'm not less "me", "me" is just different.

So I guess what I'm saying is that bending, or breaking, the generally accepted rules (While I do believe there are "rules", I don't accept that they are what most people think, and I'm not sure that there are very many, or how easy it is to know them) of the universe doesn't make it any less real, it just makes reality different.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by jasonivers

If you actually have the ability to choose whatever slice of infinity you wish, why is it "You will quickly heal" rather than "You will instantly heal", or are you implying that I would choose to take time to heal from a terminal illness, rather than have it instantly gone? Or is not an instant choice of realities, but a choice of directions towards a destination reality?

Look at it this way.

You're 'here' on vacation from infinity. There everything happens instantaneously, hence "time".... hence 'here', where you now reside.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by jasonivers

And what rules? Who established them?

We did, in order to play our games of limits, cause we are unlimited.

Originally Posted by jasonivers

... how can you possibly be more or less what you are? That's kind of like saying the more I change, the less "me" I become. I'm not less "me", "me" is just different.

Right, you're not less of yourself.....you've just 'hypnotized' yourself to think and believe you are limited and live in limits, in order to play here.

"Enlightenment" is simply de-hypnotizing yourself.