The nature of Suffering

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by inri

Oh, there's no doubt about it...he's my little buddha...sitting at my feet licking his bum....hehe...well, trying...he's part pug.

Cool dog. I've got two little ones that like to battle each other all day.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

The Law of Attraction is beneath the Duality. Meaning it won't carry you through to enlightenment

So how exactly do I get from LOA to duality and enlightenment??

I understand LOA, I just dont completely understand 'duality' yet.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

So how exactly do I get from LOA to duality and enlightenment??

I understand LOA, I just dont completely understand 'duality' yet.

Duality is simply desire. Non-duality is desireless-ness. Non-attachment. To get from inner peace to enlightenment, you have to transform the conflicts that you waged to get to inner peace into enduring sources of energy, rather than leeches.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Duality is simply desire. Non-duality is desireless-ness. Non-attachment. To get from inner peace to enlightenment, you have to transform the conflicts that you waged to get to inner peace into enduring sources of energy, rather than leeches

I dont understand what you mean by all that

Can you give me some examples??

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Frisky

So how exactly do I get from LOA to duality and enlightenment?

Originally Posted by VinceG

Duality is simply desire. Non-duality is desireless-ness. Non-attachment. To get from inner peace to enlightenment, you have to transform the conflicts that you waged to get to inner peace into enduring sources of energy, rather than leeches.

I was going to suggest that he go down the hall to the third door on the right.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

I dont understand what you mean by all that

Can you give me some examples??

OK, you have inner conflict somewhere. That conflict leads to desire. Say you're poor and you want to be rich. The inner conflict being that you want to live the rich life, but don't think you can because you lack the resources.

LoA is a way of resolving conflict beneath the duality, meaning by using it, you move yourself in one direction or the other, according to your desires. In this case you'd use the LoA to move you in the direction of being rich. You'd think rich thoughts, unlimber your thinking from thoughts that keep you poor, align with the rich modality.

Once you're rich, you've found a measure of peace that comes from resolving the inner conflict. You're not fighting against yourself anymore, because you're where you want to be.

Despite being rich, you're still not enlightened, because you never truly transformed the energy. You just fought with it and came out on the other side.

Non-duality teaches you to not fight, to not conflict with your state. You don't need to use the LoA because you truly do not care whether you're rich or poor. You can move through both states completely fluidly without drawing any resistance whatsoever.

That state is much harder won, because it takes a completely different quality of thought. Enlightenment is when you release every single one of these inner conflicts, and can so glide through life completely effortlessly.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

OK, you have inner conflict somewhere. That conflict leads to desire. Say you're poor and you want to be rich. The inner conflict being that you want to live the rich life, but don't think you can because you lack the resources.

LoA is a way of resolving conflict beneath the duality, meaning by using it, you move yourself in one direction or the other, according to your desires. In this case you'd use the LoA to move you in the direction of being rich. You'd think rich thoughts, unlimber your thinking from thoughts that keep you poor, align with the rich modality.

Once you're rich, you've found a measure of peace that comes from resolving the inner conflict. You're not fighting against yourself anymore, because you're where you want to be.

Despite being rich, you're still not enlightened, because you never truly transformed the energy. You just fought with it and came out on the other side.

Non-duality teaches you to not fight, to not conflict with your state. You don't need to use the LoA because you truly do not care whether you're rich or poor. You can move through both states completely fluidly without drawing any resistance whatsoever.

That state is much harder won, because it takes a completely different quality of thought. Enlightenment is when you release every single one of these inner conflicts, and can so glide through life completely effortlessly

Oh wow, thats very interesting.

Have you ever heard of advanced spiritual human beings who have achieved a certain "Light Quotient"??

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

Oh wow, thats very interesting.

Have you ever heard of advanced spiritual human beings who have achieved a certain "Light Quotient"??

Sounds like a fancy way of saying "enlightened." There are lots of dynamics that happen as you release conflict. All of these ideas fold into each other.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Sounds like a fancy way of saying "enlightened." There are lots of dynamics that happen as you release conflict. All of these ideas fold into each other

I found that at this site: The Halls of Amenti

Let me just say that if I had read that site 20 years ago I would laughed it off as kookery. But slowly I'm finding that some of the stuff they wrote is very true, even if its weird as hell.

The "Hollow earth theory" is still one I simply cannot believe in. That one's too far out for me.

Feel free to post which points they make you think are true, Vince

Light Quotient

Light Quotient refers to the degree of “Spiritual Light, Knowledge, & Wisdom” a person currently embodies. A person’s current spiritual level is quickly and easily known by reading their Light Quotient, which can be done by both mechanical and spiritual means

The 64 Keys of Enoch

The 64 Keys of Enoch are “64 Ascension Keys & Special Powers” that may be requested directly from the Prophet & Ascended Master Enoch. Many of Enoch’s children are incarnated here now and many of them are members of the 144,000. Requesting the 64 keys does not guarantee that you will get them. You must “qualify” to receive the 64 Keys of Enoch by having enough Ascension Points and a high enough Light Quotient to receive them. Those who qualify for the 64 Keys of Enoch will receive them via interdimensional brain surgery which is performed by dozens of God’s Angels and Elementals.

The interdimensional brain surgery last 4 to 5 months and is accompanied by frequent pops and raps in your walls and ceiling during sleep and near sleep. These pops and raps are the Angels and Elementals passing through your walls and ceiling.

Surgery is performed when you are asleep, or near sleep, and stops when you are fully awake. Many experience painful headaches the last month of surgery. This is normal and will go away when the surgery is complete. Activation of the 64 Keys is gradual and will vary from person to person

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Frisky

I found that at this site: The Halls of Amenti

Let me just say that if I had read that site 20 years ago I would laughed it off as kookery. But slowly I'm finding that some of the stuff they wrote is very true, even if its weird as hell.

The "Hollow earth theory" is still one I simply cannot believe in. That one's too far out for me.

Feel free to post which points they make you think are true, Vince

There's so much out there that's very weird, and a lot of it may even be true. However, it's important to be able to discern whether a particular piece of information is actionable or is just a distraction. Look at the language such claims are couched in. Is it designed to be flashy and attract attention? Is it designed to create a "rabbit hole" that you have to dig deep down and explore?

If so, there's a very good chance that it's a huge distraction specifically designed to corral your attention. Attention is very useful to people and non-material beings. People can take your attention and turn it into advertising dollars. Non-material beings can take your energy and then, if you do manage to get some psychic perception, use it to keep you running around in circles. They do this so you'll constantly emit energy they can feed on.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Frisky

So how exactly do I get from LOA to duality and enlightenment??

I understand LOA, I just dont completely understand 'duality' yet.

You can lose that question altogether.

[Bonadea]

(Only read the first page or 2)

I get it. I've often wondered about it.

I tend to be a very high strung person, so even something simple like decorating a gingerbread house gets me really worked up.

My husband is very laid back and likes to have fun.

I'm all about 'doing it right', while he's about enjoying the process.

Still hard to change though. What's going to happen if I don't make the gingerbread house perfect? Will the world blow up?

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Bonadea

What's going to happen if I don't make the gingerbread house perfect? Will the world blow up?

Have you ever indulged that question and looked to see what happens?

[Bonadea]

I don't know if I've ever done it from the idea of I don't have to suffer.

One of the times my mother was in the hospital and it looked like we were going to lose her (this was eons ago). I was sitting there miserable, upset, etc... And a thought occurred to me. If I'm the one on death's doorway, I'm sitting here with the choice of being in this great wonderful place free form pain or down there with party pooper daughter, which would I choose?

So I changed my tune and started coming in happy, telling jokes, pretending like nothing was wrong and it was a good day. Changing my energy. She pulled out of soon after.


Then I also have OCD, so I will occasionally try to fight it. Last week I purposely folded my husband's boxers "wrong". Couldn't do it this week though.

But that has nothing to do with suffering.

But no the world did not stop spinning.