Is it possible to be happy, peaceful, or loving all time?

[arpee]

If so, wouldn't that be unnatural? Why can't animals master this technique?

I know we have free-will to be whatever, but it should be easy to be happy, peaceful, or loving if that is God and our true nature....

[Prinie]

I think you have define what's natural for you and pursue it. For me, intense passion, enthusiasm and inspiration are my norm as opposed to what people call happiness.

Forgot to add:

And to have a consistent state of that is pretty normal for me. Might not be all the time, but that's the usual.

[Irisha]

What is happy, peaceful and loving ? There are too many degrees or variations of being happy, peaceful and loving, and what falls into this category for you maybe doesn't fall into this category for some other person. But even for one and the same person the state of being happy, peaceful and loving can change thousands times per a day when you are happier and more peaceful and loving, or less happy, etc. - So, being born here, on the Earth we cannot have this God nature. Even if we think we have it sometimes it's an illusion. To disagree with that means deceiving ourselves. We can only FOLLOW God's Will. Even if we don't notice that we are simply following God's Will it doesn't cancel it.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by arpee

Why can't animals master this technique?

I'm pretty sure my dog has already mastered it.

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

I'm pretty sure my dog has already mastered it.

So, your dog never barks growls or barks? He just stays happy all the time? If you were to walk up to your dog and take his food away he'll still be happy?

[Irisha]

Animals cannot master this technique because they have the instinct to survive. Humans either. This instinct will never let animals and humans be happy, peaceful and loving all time. The same is applied to any living being.

[ChristsLight]

Arpee, instead of wasting time with these questions, why not start the process of eliminating suffering, and see for yourself?

[Irisha]

How to eliminate suffering? It's impossible. You have to spend the whole life meditating, and you have to deceive yourself that there is no death which is the end of you.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Irisha

How to eliminate suffering? It's impossible. You have to spend the whole life meditating, and you have to deceive yourself that there is death which is the end of you.

Is this what you did to eliminate suffering? Otherwise this is a wild assumption.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Is this what you did to eliminate suffering? Otherwise this is a wild assumption.

If we know the truth, or if we bear in mind the truth which brings suffering, we become stronger. If we become stronger it helps us to deal, or to cope with what causes suffering better.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by arpee

If so, wouldn't that be unnatural? Why can't animals master this technique?

I know we have free-will to be whatever, but it should be easy to be happy, peaceful, or loving if that is God and our true nature....

A cat would not be able to express it's 'true nature' as long as it believed it was a dog. It's expression would be very unnatural and dysfunctional. So while there is still a cat nature present which can be expressed, an erroneous idea seems to make this experience impossible.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Irisha

How to eliminate suffering? It's impossible. You have to spend the whole life meditating, and you have to deceive yourself that there is death which is the end of you.

How do you know this to be true?

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Irisha

If we know the truth, or if we bear in mind the truth which brings suffering, we become stronger. If we become stronger it helps us to deal, or to cope with what causes suffering better.

There is nothing that can cause suffering.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

There is nothing that can cause suffering.

If there is nothing that can cause suffering where does suffering come from? The Buddha says it is caused by desires. What is your idea about it?

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

How do you know this to be true?

About what? About death? About no 'you' after death?
NOBODY knows what it is after death. Better not to deceive ourselves that we know .
When I say there will be no 'you' after death I base it on the testimonials from those people who are able to connect telepathically with the dying and dead. There is black nothingness after death, that's it.
And there is the following explanation as well: 'you' is an image constituted by the unique combination of atoms and molecules which works like a screen , a receiver, and doesn't exist any more after death. This unique combination is transformed into something else, and in this sense there is no death, but transformation. But 'you ' which is the product of this combination,disappears, though it is kept as an information in the Akashic Records. But the receiver doesn't exist, and it means there is no access to this information . Only very few people have the ability to have an accsess to it. The soul is not a 'you'. The soul is a particle of Oneness, or the Source, or God (we also cannot know for sure about that), it is something that makes the receiver function as a living being, and after death it returns back to its source (but we don't know for sure). All we know about the so-called after-life is based on the experiences of the people who came back to life,- so, they were not in the other side actually. Because the other side is the place nobody comes back from. (Otherwise it were not the other side.) Though it is so much sad that there is nothing after death we should be strong enough to live without those fairy tales about after-life. We suffer because of that, but we can do nothing. What is better: to know or to lie and deceive ourselves? I think truth makes us be ready for the worse, and makes us be stronger to be able to cope with this suffering. We should be strong enough to be good, lovable, kind to each other without any hope to be "rewarded" after life. Just be humans. We all have the same destiny - to live and die, - we cannot change anything about that, - so we should accept it, and just support and take care of each other. Without God who loves us. He doesn't. Without Hope. Just be strong, and loving, and kind. What can help us be strong enough for that? Only the Heart which thinks, or the Mind which feels. If we synchronize the thinking Heart and the feeling Mind in one Energy field , and they are able to perform those functions - to feel and to think - as one function, - simultaneously, - then we can see and know about the things much more. And be strong enough to be loving, good, caring.
How to synchronize : by constantly asking oneself "who am I?", listening to your heart, and giving the most brutally honest answer you can provide. Then, looking for the best Feeling about Love you can find in your Heart, try to notice it, and to keep it.
If you practice it several times per day you will see the results. You will start having psychic abilities very soon. If you stop synchronizing they fade. If you don't stop you won't need them soon and won't care about them. Then you'll have them. Go on, - and you'll notice something else.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by arpee

So, your dog never barks growls or barks? He just stays happy all the time? If you were to walk up to your dog and take his food away he'll still be happy?

My post was sarcastic but yes, my dog is pretty much always happy.

[Abha]

Originally Posted by Irisha

How to eliminate suffering? It's impossible. You have to spend the whole life meditating, and you have to deceive yourself that there is death which is the end of you.

There is no end to any of us as we are all eternal.


Yes, it is possible to be blissfully happy all the time, if you train yourself to release all emotions and stay constantly connected to Self (God, the universe, etc)

[Mariana Trench]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

Arpee, instead of wasting time with these questions, why not start the process of eliminating suffering, and see for yourself?

Wow, his question's a waste of time because you've already come to your conclusion? Maybe you could share how you got there with him?

Arpee, I tend to think it's strictly possible, or at least possible to the extent that any "bad" emotions that do arise pass almost instantaneously for practiced people. I also don't think it's necessarily desirable, especially as a pursuit on its own, nor do I think it will make anyone more moral.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Irisha

If there is nothing that can cause suffering where does suffering come from? The Buddha says it is caused by desires. What is your idea about it?

Suffering comes from your mind. It comes from your expectations of reality.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Irisha

About what? About death? About no 'you' after death?
NOBODY knows what it is after death. Better not to deceive ourselves that we know .
When I say there will be no 'you' after death I base it on the testimonials from those people who are able to connect telepathically with the dying and dead. There is black nothingness after death, that's it.
And there is the following explanation as well: 'you' is an image constituted by the unique combination of atoms and molecules which works like a screen , a receiver, and doesn't exist any more after death. This unique combination is transformed into something else, and in this sense there is no death, but transformation. But 'you ' which is the product of this combination,disappears, though it is kept as an information in the Akashic Records. But the receiver doesn't exist, and it means there is no access to this information . Only very few people have the ability to have an accsess to it. The soul is not a 'you'. The soul is a particle of Oneness, or the Source, or God (we also cannot know for sure about that), it is something that makes the receiver function as a living being, and after death it returns back to its source (but we don't know for sure). All we know about the so-called after-life is based on the experiences of the people who came back to life,- so, they were not in the other side actually. Because the other side is the place nobody comes back from. (Otherwise it were not the other side.) Though it is so much sad that there is nothing after death we should be strong enough to live without those fairy tales about after-life. We suffer because of that, but we can do nothing. What is better: to know or to lie and deceive ourselves? I think truth makes us be ready for the worse, and makes us be stronger to be able to cope with this suffering. We should be strong enough to be good, lovable, kind to each other without any hope to be "rewarded" after life. Just be humans. We all have the same destiny - to live and die, - we cannot change anything about that, - so we should accept it, and just support and take care of each other. Without God who loves us. He doesn't. Without Hope. Just be strong, and loving, and kind. What can help us be strong enough for that? Only the Heart which thinks, or the Mind which feels. If we synchronize the thinking Heart and the feeling Mind in one Energy field , and they are able to perform those functions - to feel and to think - as one function, - simultaneously, - then we can see and know about the things much more. And be strong enough to be loving, good, caring.
How to synchronize : by constantly asking oneself "who am I?", listening to your heart, and giving the most brutally honest answer you can provide. Then, looking for the best Feeling about Love you can find in your Heart, try to notice it, and to keep it.
If you practice it several times per day you will see the results. You will start having psychic abilities very soon. If you stop synchronizing they fade. If you don't stop you won't need them soon and won't care about them. Then you'll have them. Go on, - and you'll notice something else.

I meant how do you know that it is impossible to end suffering? What is a state without suffering were actually natural?

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Mariana Trench

Wow, his question's a waste of time because you've already come to your conclusion? Maybe you could share how you got there with him?

I was mostly joking with him. Every time I see a thread from arpee, it's about whether God is love or peace or appreciation or some other quality. I was saying why not just start the path and let go of the minute details? It's just a pattern I noticed.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Abha

Yes, it is possible to be blissfully happy all the time, if you train yourself to release all emotions and stay constantly connected to Self (God, the universe, etc)

How's that workin for ya?

[ChrisGinsburg]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

How's that workin for ya?

I'm more interested how you release all emotions but somehow blissful happiness remains. I get an image of doves being let go out of a trench coat. Something very dramatic of course.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

I'm more interested how you release all emotions but somehow blissful happiness remains. I get an image of doves being let go out of a trench coat. Something very dramatic of course.

I suspect it has sumthin to do with 'our natural state' or some such like that there.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

I meant how do you know that it is impossible to end suffering? What is a state without suffering were actually natural?

It depends on what exactly you mean. For me the end of suffering is the state of the constant bliss which is impossible on the Earth.Where is it possible? I don't know. I think nowhere as I don't believe in paradise and after life in heaven.

As for the state of happiness, peace and joy which is not absolute, and is changing all the time due to the flow of life , - then, sure, everybody can have it if they are lucky enough, and if they create this state of mind , and state of heart.

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Irisha

It depends on what exactly you mean. For me the end of suffering is the state of the constant bliss which is impossible on the Earth.Where is it possible? I don't know. I think nowhere as I don't believe in paradise and after life in heaven.

As for the state of happiness, peace and joy which is not absolute, and is changing all the time due to the flow of life , - then, sure, everybody can have it if they are lucky enough, and if they create this state of mind , and state of heart.

There is a Peace (not bliss) which is constant and present always. It's present now but not recognized. It is not a state that comes and goes. It is not conditional, and therefore not understandable. (the Peace that passes all understanding) Happiness can come and go in this Peace, and it doesn't matter. It is not something you can have, it is what you are.

[Irisha]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

There is a Peace (not bliss) which is constant and present always. It's present now but not recognized. It is not a state that comes and goes. It is not conditional, and therefore not understandable. (the Peace that passes all understanding) Happiness can come and go in this Peace, and it doesn't matter. It is not something you can have, it is what you are.

Is it from Oneness?

[Arcanum]

Originally Posted by Irisha

Is it from Oneness?

It doesn't come from anywhere or anything. It is what you are.

Maybe that's semantics, but it's a slippery slope.

[raykilleen]

All is blissfully happy, Maya clouds the human perception; speaking for humans, since that is my direct experience.

[Abha]

Originally Posted by Arcanum

How's that workin for ya?

Better than I could have ever imagined.

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

I'm more interested how you release all emotions but somehow blissful happiness remains. I get an image of doves being let go out of a trench coat. Something very dramatic of course.

It's the coolest thing. I was listening to a program that shows me how to release and I got really heady and light and, basically, high. And then he says, "Don't settle for feeling good. Release that, too, and feel even better." I am a bit limited in language but feeling "good" and "high" is nothing in comparison to the all encompassing bliss that comes after releasing everything. I've read when people try to describe this experience during meditation but the description pales in comparison.

Originally Posted by Arcanum

I suspect it has sumthin to do with 'our natural state' or some such like that there.

I agree

Originally Posted by Irisha

It depends on what exactly you mean. For me the end of suffering is the state of the constant bliss which is impossible on the Earth.Where is it possible? I don't know. I think nowhere as I don't believe in paradise and after life in heaven.

As for the state of happiness, peace and joy which is not absolute, and is changing all the time due to the flow of life , - then, sure, everybody can have it if they are lucky enough, and if they create this state of mind , and state of heart.

I believe it is possible on Earth but agree that not everyone chooses to find it or experience it, which is totally ok.

Originally Posted by Arcanum

There is a Peace (not bliss) which is constant and present always. It's present now but not recognized. It is not a state that comes and goes. It is not conditional, and therefore not understandable. (the Peace that passes all understanding) Happiness can come and go in this Peace, and it doesn't matter. It is not something you can have, it is what you are.

I agree that for most it is not recognized but can be at any moment we choose. I also believe that what really is happening when we experience the joy and elation when we do something we think we love (like make love to someone special or eat something delicious or win a million dollars) is actually a temporary stop of thoughts as we temporarily feel no desire and we can experience Self, which is there all the time, but many can not see because of thought. I believe that those on the path to enlightenment are actually seeking to experience Self all the time. Lester Levenson once described the feeling as having a thousand orgasms coursing through his body all the time.

Originally Posted by Arcanum

It doesn't come from anywhere or anything. It is what you are.

Yes, I very much agree.